Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.

I have never liked the thugs with guns aka PA. I never thought they would go this far..may be all this whining about killing of innocent baluchos have a grain of truth in it? Notice the moan and cries of the young boys and being shot the second time as if they were animals/cattle!!The video looks too real to be a fake and some of the people from army think the same.
Where is all these media and beardos who were burning tyres and US flags to protest conviction of Dukhtarain-e-milat Dr. Aafia Siddiqui?

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said in June that 282 extrajudicial killings by the army had taken place in the Swat region in the past year. **
A Pakistani intelligence official, who did not want to be identified discussing the issue, said he had seen other such videos and heard reports of executions larger than the one in the video, which was posted on the FaceBOOK
page of a group that calls itself the Pashtuns’ International Association. **
**Two retired Pakistani senior army officers said they believed that the video was credible. **
**“It’s authentic,” said Javed Hussain, a former Special Forces brigadier. “They are soldiers in Swat. The victims appear to be militants or their sympathizers.” The executioners were infantry soldiers, he said. “It’s shocking, not expected of a professional, disciplined force.” **
**A retired lieutenant general, Talat Masood, also said the video seemed credible. “It will have a serious setback in the effort for winning the hearts and minds so crucial in this type of warfare,” he said. **

The entire Article:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An Internet video showing men in Pakistani military uniforms executing six young men in civilian clothes has heightened concerns about unlawful killings by Pakistani soldiers supported by the United States, American officials said.

A video on the Facebook page of the Pashtuns’ International Association seemed to show young men in civilian clothes being killed by Pakistani soldiers. The Pakistani military said it was faked.

The authenticity of the five-and-a-half-minute video, which shows the killing of the six men — some of whom appear to be teenagers, blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs — has not been formally verified by the American government. The Pakistani military said it was faked by militants.
But American officials, who did not want to be identified because of the explosive nature of the video, said it appeared to be credible, as did retired American military officers and intelligence analysts who have viewed it.
After viewing the graphic video on Wednesday, an administration official said: “There are things you can fake, and things you can’t fake. You can’t fake this.”
The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon E. Panetta, who was in Islamabad on Wednesday on a previously scheduled visit, was expected to raise the subject of the video with the chief of the Pakistani Army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and the head of the Pakistani spy agency, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, American officials said.
The video adds to reports under review at the State Department and the Pentagon that Pakistani Army units have summarily executed prisoners and civilians in areas where they have opened offensives against the Taliban, administration officials said.
The video appears to have been taken in the Swat Valley, where the Pakistani military opened a campaign last year to push back Taliban insurgents. The effort was widely praised by American officials and financed in large part by the United States.
The reports could have serious implications for relations between the militaries. American law requires that the United States cut off financing to units of foreign militaries that are found to have committed gross violations of human rights.
But never has that law been applied to so strategic a partner as Pakistan, whose military has received more than $10 billion in American support since 2001 for its cooperation in fighting militants from the Taliban and Al Qaeda based inside the country.
The State Department spokesman, Philip J. Crowley, called the images “horrifying.” He said the American ambassador, Anne W. Patterson, had raised the issue with the Pakistani government and was awaiting a response. “We are determined to investigate it,” he said.
The spokesman for the Pakistani Army, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, dismissed the video as part of a propaganda campaign by jihadists to defame the Pakistani Army. “No Pakistan Army soldier or officer has been involved in activity of this sort,” he said.
A senior Pakistani intelligence officer, who declined to be named, dismissed the video as a staged “drama.”
The Pakistani military came under strong pressure from the United States to make the drive into the Swat region. Having since expanded operations to South Waziristan, the military has found itself in a counterinsurgency campaign in which it has struggled to maintain local support and weed out insurgents and their sympathizers from the population.
The video, apparently taken surreptitiously with a cellphone, shows six young men being lined up near an abandoned building surrounded by foliage. As the soldiers prepare to shoot, one soldier asks the commander, a heavily bearded man with the short hair typical of a military haircut: “One by one, or together?” He replies, “Together.”
A burst of gunfire erupts. The young men crumple to the ground. Some, still alive and wounded, groan. Then a soldier approaches the heap of bodies, and fires rounds into each man at short range to finish the job.
The men doing the shooting wear Pakistani Army uniforms and appear to be using G-3 rifles, standard issue for the Pakistani Army and rarely used by insurgents, according to several Pakistanis who watched the video.
The soldiers also speak Urdu, the language of the Pakistani Army, and use the word “Sahib” when addressing their commander, a polite form for Mr., which is uncommon among the Taliban.
The question of extrajudicial killings is particularly sensitive for Pentagon officials, who have tried in visits to Pakistan and through increased financing to improve their often-tense relationship with the Pakistani Army.
But growing word of such incidents in recent months has led to an internal debate at the State Department and the Pentagon over whether the reports are credible enough to warrant cutting off funds to Pakistani Army units, American officials said.

Not least of the concerns is keeping the Pakistani Army as an ally. Pentagon officials, already frustrated at Pakistan’s refusal to take on Taliban militants who cross into Afghanistan to fight American forces, fear that raising the question of human rights will sour the relationship.

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“What if the Pakistanis walk away — is there any option?” was a question uppermost at the Pentagon, a senior administration official involved in the debate said.
Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and sponsor of the law that would require withholding money, said Wednesday that anyone who had seen the video would “be shocked.”
If the video was found to be authentic, the law could be imposed, he said.
Currently, the United States spends about $2 billion a year on the Pakistani military, including funds specifically designated for antiterrorism operations, which the Pentagon has said it would like the Pakistanis to expand.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, raised the reports of extrajudicial killings with the head of the Pakistani Army, General Kayani, in meetings this year, a senior administration official said.
One unresolved question, the official said, was how seriously General Kayani took the killings, and whether he was willing to punish the soldiers involved.
Some reports, particularly from Waziristan, that the State Department was reviewing were increasingly specific and credible, the senior official said.
“There is a particular set of incidents that have been investigated with great accuracy, and, we believe, lead to a pattern,” the official said.
The State Department briefed members of the Senate about the issue this summer, and was set to do so again next month, an indication of the rising concern on Capitol Hill, according to one Congressional staff member.
The episode in the video may be just the most glaring to surface. The Pakistani military is believed to have detained as many as 3,000 people in makeshift prisons in the region of its operations. Reluctant to turn them over to Pakistan’s undependable courts or to grant them amnesty, the problem of what to do with the detainees has grown pressing.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said in June that 282 extrajudicial killings by the army had taken place in the Swat region in the past year.
A Pakistani intelligence official, who did not want to be identified discussing the issue, said he had seen other such videos and heard reports of executions larger than the one in the video, which was posted on the Facebook page of a group that calls itself the Pashtuns’ International Association.
Two retired Pakistani senior army officers said they believed that the video was credible.
“It’s authentic,” said Javed Hussain, a former Special Forces brigadier. “They are soldiers in Swat. The victims appear to be militants or their sympathizers.” The executioners were infantry soldiers, he said. “It’s shocking, not expected of a professional, disciplined force.”
A retired lieutenant general, Talat Masood, also said the video seemed credible. “It will have a serious setback in the effort for winning the hearts and minds so crucial in this type of warfare,” he said.

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Itna bara post kerney ki kia zarorat the bhai? Apney hee posted link per 2 line parh latey

"Authenticity of the video has not been verified yet...."

Ever hard of war propaganda?

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aap bhi kuch parha karo. Do u think army will come out and admit it?

A Pakistani intelligence official, who did not want to be identified discussing the issue, said he had seen other such videos and heard reports of executions larger than the one in the video, which was posted on the FaceBOOK page of a group that calls itself the Pashtuns’ International Association. **
*Two retired Pakistani senior army officers said they believed that the video was credible. *
*“It’s authentic,” said Javed Hussain, a former Special Forces brigadier. “They are soldiers in Swat. The victims appear to be militants or their sympathizers.” The executioners were infantry soldiers, he said. “It’s shocking, not expected of a professional, disciplined force.” *
**A retired lieutenant general, Talat Masood, also said the video seemed credible. “It will have a serious setback in the effort for winning the hearts and minds so crucial in this type of warfare,” he said.

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I have just watched this news item on CNN. If it is true, then it is most unfortunate incident. This reminds me of 70's army operation in former East Pakistan. Government is impotent, can CJ order arrest of these killers including high officials who were responsible for this massacre?

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Hamam mein sab nangay hai....be it US/ISRAEL/CHINA/PAK/INDIA

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You just watched CNN and believed right away. What do you expect from Jewish media, would they show you reality?

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1- this would not be the first time that military forces have engaged in extra judicial killings- in Pakistan or elsewhere. not condoing it just stating that its very likely possible

2- We cut off funding to other militaries and their human rights violations what about when our own units do asinine violations, such as the criminals hunting afghan civilians for fun and collecting body parts for

3- which country's military aid has been cut lets say in the last five years based on this principle..is it just financing that we dont do but if they are paying cash all is kosher? considering we just sold ****loads of weaponry to saudi arabia, a country where the words human rights are not even in the lexicon. or Israel, or Egypt or way back in the day saddam era Iraq etc.

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No I did not. I think you did not read my post. I said if it is true.......So what you are you saying? The news item you just post is just a lie because it is telecast by CNN or some jew organization?

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کوئی اور بات کرو یارو پوچھو آئندہ فتح اسلام آباد کب ہو گی ؟

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CNN is more trustworthy than that rag called "Ubaid":p

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The authenticity of the video cannot be verified. It could be just as easily made by anyone wanting to defame the army. Some points, questions:-

  1. Who said the Taliban dont use Sahib? Sahib is used all over Pakistan and commonly in Pushtun areas too. It is very commonly used in the religious hierarchies.

  2. Why dont the Americans wory about what their own troops have done? They have fianced the army, incompetent human rights violatign goverments past and present - why are they shocked now?

  3. There are more doubts over the OBL tapes yet they are considered credible - of course it feeds a purpose.

  4. It wont be the first time the members of the Pak Army have resorted to this if it is true. Where there is smoke there is fire. It is ok to criticise the PPP for eing headed by a man like Zardari but wat does it say about Pakistan Army headed by Musraf or Zia Ul Haq, in the past?

It is very hard to say what is the truth out there nowadays but one things for sure - no one or no group or organisation is fighting for good!

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Ah! the usual...

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I find it difficult to condemn this. two years ago I might have been upset. but today, I have no problem with this.

kill each and every taliban and terrorist supporter/sympathizer. I have no problem with it.

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Read it with
KP Assembly unanimously slams US, Nato airstrikes

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Well regardless of age, if these dudes were slitting throats of innocent people (and we all know what these TTP terrorists are capable of), I have no sympathy for them being executed by law enforcement agencies.

I am sure there are lot of other videos from the past - some genuine, some fake - the propaganda war machinery will always bring them out to divert attention from the real issue at hand.

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BTW some highly places sources in CIA, who did not want to be named, told me that OBL was a CIA asset and died like years ago.

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omg, someone remove the link. Why did I see it? :(

re: Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.

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Reminds of East Pakistan when Pakistan army killed thousands of Bengali intellectuals.
On 14 December, 1971, over 200 of East Pakistan's intellectuals including professors, journalists, doctors, artists, engineers, and writers were picked up from their homes in Dhaka by the Al-Badr militias and Pakistani Army. They were taken blindfolded to torture cells in Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Nakhalpara, Rajarbagh and other locations in different sections of the city. Later they were executed en masse, most notably at Rayerbazar and Mirpur. In memory of the martyred intellectuals, December 14 is mourned in Bangladesh as Shaheed Buddhijibi Dibosh ("Day of the Martyred Intellectuals").

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and the taliban were spreading their love in swat? people of swat welcomed the PA as liberators to end the brutal talibal regime and this propoganda video is clearly an attempt to diminish that goodwill and malign the army, all the while trying to create fissures in pakistani society. no wonder all the indian zealots are going ga ga and making ridiculous parallels.

i also find it very interesting how so many propoganda pieces against pakistan have crept up in the last few days after the video emerged of indian soldiers parading young Kashmiri men naked and taunting them in retaliation for protesting against indian occupation. i wonder if i should post a link to that video as well.

re: Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.

[Video Removed by Lusi]

Reminds of East Pakistan when Pakistan army killed thousands of Bengali intellectuals.
On 14 December, 1971, over 200 of East Pakistan's intellectuals including professors, journalists, doctors, artists, engineers, and writers were picked up from their homes in Dhaka by the Al-Badr militias and Pakistani Army. They were taken blindfolded to torture cells in Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Nakhalpara, Rajarbagh and other locations in different sections of the city. Later they were executed en masse, most notably at Rayerbazar and Mirpur. In memory of the martyred intellectuals, December 14 is mourned in Bangladesh as Shaheed Buddhijibi Dibosh ("Day of the Martyred Intellectuals").
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Oh please, at least spread BS with the original numbers, lets stick to 3M shall we even if it is out right rejected by Bengalis..
thankooo so so much.