re: Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.
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re: Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.
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and the taliban were spreading their love in swat? .
How do u know that the boys murdered were talibans?
people of swat welcomed the PA as liberators to end the brutal talibal regime .
I agree with u, this is the perhaps the best thing the army has accomplished, however, the army did not get off their asses untill the talibans were overlooking the margalla hill!! the swatis had been suffering from the talebans the way before that. Also it was american drone that took out the bait-ulloo mehsud not the army WHY??
I talked with people in FATA/KP and do u know that unlike what the rest of the people/media say about the drones attacks, the people of FATA welcome it! Why all these shor sharaba about sovereignity by the rest of the country!
and this propoganda video is clearly an attempt to diminish that goodwill and malign the army,.
How do u know that? oh wait..the thugs with the guns told u that. However. i do agree that it is still "alleged" murder by the army.
all the while trying to create fissures in pakistani society. no wonder all the indian zealots are going ga ga and making ridiculous parallels. .
I hope the indians can answer that
i also find it very interesting how so many propoganda pieces against pakistan have crept up in the last few days after the video emerged of indian soldiers parading young Kashmiri men naked and taunting them in retaliation for protesting against indian occupation. i wonder if i should post a link to that video as well.
oh.. NOT the conspiracy thingie again!
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Pakistan army says ‘extra-judicial killing’ video is fake
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and the taliban were spreading their love in swat? people of swat welcomed the PA as liberators to end the brutal talibal regime and this propoganda video is clearly an attempt to diminish that goodwill and malign the army, all the while trying to create fissures in pakistani society. no wonder all the indian zealots are going ga ga and making ridiculous parallels.
i also find it very interesting how so many propoganda pieces against pakistan have crept up in the last few days after the video emerged of indian soldiers parading young Kashmiri men naked and taunting them in retaliation for protesting against indian occupation. i wonder if i should post a link to that video as well.
yea...and they got the same reward...lols... if u can see more swat videos..old men getting beaten up by PA to tell them terrorists locations..
good job :)
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yea...and they got the same reward...lols... if u can see more swat videos..old men getting beaten up by PA to tell them terrorists locations.. good job :)
I am never in favor of any type of cruel acts,
But do you expect Scotland yard type investigation by army men involved in a battle with cruel and dirty Taliban.
(For the fun)
I remember a voice in my city more than 40 years ago.
Kujh day Ja Sakhia rah-e-Khuda
Tera Allah ee boota laiay ga
کجھ دے جا سخیا راہ خدا
تیرا الله ای بوٹا لائے گا
Re: Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.
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How do u know that the boys murdered were talibans?
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how do u know the boys “murdered” were not talibans?
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I agree with u, this is the perhaps the best thing the army has accomplished, however, the army did not get off their asses untill the talibans were overlooking the margalla hill!! the swatis had been suffering from the talebans the way before that. Also it was american drone that took out the bait-ulloo mehsud not the army WHY??
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u conveniently forgot that the government and the army were urging the U.S. to kill baitula and Pakistani taliban leaders for months. baitula also claimed responsibility for the assassination of Benazir, the wife of Pakistan’s president. it was not that he was enjoying state protection, duh.
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I talked with people in FATA/KP and do u know that unlike what the rest of the people/media say about the drones attacks, the people of FATA welcome it! Why all these shor sharaba about sovereignity by the rest of the country!
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i talked with people there and do u know that unlike what you think, they do not welcome drones. that said people cannot always have what they want and i think we should always embrace excellent new technology, like drones, that enables us to purge out maximum number of taliban/terrorists while inflicting minimum collateral damage.
how r u so sure about the veracity of the video? oh wait u probably read that in the jihadist forum you frequent. there must be other gems of taliban’s ridiculous ‘wisdom’ that you believe as true as well.
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I hope the indians can answer that
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Some of them don’t man up…
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oh.. NOT the conspiracy thingie again!
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oh yes, everything you do not believe is a conspiracy but a video that the taliban are trumping as a propaganda piece against the army’s conduct in swat is anything but!
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VoiceOne ! You are full of it.
I never saw such a trivial thread before and that also on a very sensitive issue. You r full of crap with your cut and Paste
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These are the people who beheaded innocent people everyday and hung their headless bodies on every major intersection in Swat.
How else do you expect these people to die? Do you want them to be sent to jail?
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I am never in favor of any type of cruel acts, But do you expect Scotland yard type investigation by army men involved in a battle with cruel and dirty Taliban. (For the fun) I remember a voice in my city more than 40 years ago. Kujh day Ja Sakhia rah-e-Khuda Tera Allah ee boota laiay ga کجھ دے جا سخیا راہ خدا تیرا الله ای بوٹا لائے گا
apart from fun..
There were two choices either PA rises above and makes justice prevail..OR stoop to the level of ur so called 'cruel and dirty taliban' which PA did..
and btw HOW in the world did PA know these were terrorists...and IF they knew they were terrorists based on some intelligence...or something they should have put that evidence in front of the justice system to decide..and i know ur argument would be...courts dont do justice..then there should be a drive to make justice system better not drench ur hands in innocents blood..
Besides now i can see its all a 'save ur ass' game in PAK...one day PA gets hit on its arse by some NATO heli's and they are yelling up and down..and when 'bloody civilians' get picked up or blown up by drones etc..there is not a word of condemnation.
Re: Brutal Execution of innocent(?) pashtuns BOYS by the ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Video is obvious fake. How funny that people are accepting fake propaganda. I just saw the video and it is obvious without doubt that video is made by retarded/brainless Kharjees and purpose is to malign Pakistani army using lies and propaganda. Video makers left enough mistakes that would make a sensible person recognise fake nature of this video.
If video was true than these thugs would not have left out most important video shot of such killings by firing squad, video shot that is missing, that is video shot of actual bullets hitting the victims and haphazardly falling of victims on ground. Video of victims dead bodies, a necessary evidence proving killing did really happened, is also missing.
Actually, there are many other funny evidence that proves video is fake. For instance, video shows that when firing squad was firing, all victims were standing still, proving that video maker used still picture and super imposed firing sound on it. That could not happen unless video is fake as recording and taking picture happens simultaneously in any real video made secretly. Painful crying of victims was superimposed on video after shooting happened and army made sure all are dead, does not synchronise with reality, as at that time victims should have been dead, not crying. Actually, if video was real, crying sound should have been there when bullets were hitting victims and victims is shown falling on ground haphazardly.
Do not believe video blindly. Read the arguments above, think, than watch video. Fake nature of video would become obvious.
[Mods please note: Video does not show people are dying or getting killed. Video shows acting for propaganda by Kharjee retards and claims that people are dying or getting killed. Video itself is evidence that there claim is propaganda based on lies.]
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Re: Alleged Executions by the Army in Swat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/world/asia/01peshawar.html?_r=1
At the same time, Pakistani officials tried to contain the damage from a video that came to the attention of American officials in recent days showing the execution of six young men, bound and blindfolded, by Pakistani Army soldiers.
**Responding to questions from American officials, Pakistani officials acknowledged Thursday that the video had not been faked, as they had first contended, an American official said, and that they had identified the soldiers and would take appropriate measures. **
what ur next excuse?
..oh .. nytimes is biased and controlled by jews/mossad 
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VoiceOne: I am not retard. I do not get fooled by fake videos regardless of whoever claims them to be true, NYT or Mr X. I see them unbiased; think about them, than accept them as true or fake. For me:
Video is obvious fake and evidence is within video that any idiot could see except those who are mentally and physically blind. Just imagine, how one can make video on site using phone camera where picture goes still when firing started? How come funny sound resembling squeal of beaten dog comes with claim that it is sound of victims’ pain, at time when there should have been no sound as all victims should be dead? Why video did not show any dead? Answer: Video is certain fake.
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I am not going to act like 'I knew that already' .. but the comfort of the victims (the way the were walked in) and the fact that no one tried to run away when firing started made me think that maybe its all a drama.
I hope that I am right and video is indeed fake.
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Army say that was fake video but government officials say it was real. Who to believe and who not to believe? Why not PM of Pakistan issue a clear cut message whether it is a fake or real encounter?
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you can believe Saleem1 because: (sachaydino bhai, sorry to break it to u but u may be in danger of being a retard :) )
So anyone who doubts the army is a **retard? **
Do not accuse me of what I never wrote. I never wrote that anyone who do not believe me, or those who doubt army, they are retards. I only wrote that to accept something without questioning, without giving thought to them, and without judging them rationally, accepting something blindly even if they are obvious fake, is retarded behaviour. That is all.
I accept that even after looking at things carefully and questioning them rationally, a person could come to wrong conclusion, but a person when start believing on something, they should have answer to all ambiguities. If they do not then they should accept gracefully that they are wrong in their analysis.
I raised few question in my above posts regarding the posted video. If you believe on truthfulness of that video, then you should have convincing answers to my questions that you can put them down and one can discuss on that. If your answers would be convincing and rational, I would not hesitate to accept that my analysis was wrong. Few of my questions are:
1: Since video is live, how come video start showing still pictures when one can even hear sound of firing squad shooting?
2: It is obvious that video had purpose to show an event to the world. So, if that was the purpose then why video did not showed haphazardly falling of victims ... and dead bodies of victims after all was over?
3: How come video showed that army after shooting went close to shoot and finish all victims ... still once all was over (army finished all victims), squealing sounds came out for few seconds as if someone forgot that such sound if it was to come out it should have came out while victims were alive and shooting was going on, not after they are dead.
Well, there are many ambiguities and anomalies in video, making that video fake. Anyhow, if you think that video is true then give me some rational reasons why the points I raised are invalid. If you cannot rationally justify what I asked then you should accept that video is fake instead of arguing senselessly and irrationally to defend the video. If you would convince me by giving rational answers to what I asked, I assure you, I would accept that you are right and video is true.
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Do not accuse me of what I never wrote. I never wrote that anyone who do not believe me, or those who doubt army, they are retards......
Sa1eem, ok i agree with u that my quoting u does look like twisting ur word.
I disagree with rest of ur observation..thats ok.
What do think of my post titled "New Video Appears to Show Abuse of Prisoners by Pakistani Soldiers" which has been closed (Unfairly) by an over jealous moderator.
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Sa1eem, ok i agree with u that my quoting u does look like twisting ur word. I disagree with rest of ur observation..thats ok. What do think of my post titled "New Video Appears to Show Abuse of Prisoners by Pakistani Soldiers" which has been closed (Unfairly) by an over jealous moderator.
From that video, I could not say that people in uniform beating others were from Pakistan army or were Kharjees from Multan making propaganda video to malign army. I tried to look at the forehead of uniformed personals and could not see Pakistani army written on it. Uniform is no proof as anyone, including Kharjee terrorists, can get uniform of Pak army.
That does not mean that Pakistan army may not have beaten Kharjees to get information, as army is not playing ‘cricket’ but are at war where army is killing armed Kharjee terrorists and armed Kharjee terrorists are killing army personals. It is ‘war right’ of army to give these Kharjees what they deserve (a good beating) to find out information that could be vital to save their own lives, lives of innocent Pakistani civilians whom Kharjee terrorists are regularly killing, as well as to make country safe from Kharjee terrorists trying to impose their misguided religion over Pakistan.
Note: Such war right is beyond any court jurisdiction still legal and army gets this right whenever army is at war against adversaries who are fighting them with arms (like Kharjee terrorists fighting Pak army with arms). So, all BS that army should not beat them or kill them but take them to court is invalid argument when ‘war right’ comes into play.
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i agree . :k: