Allegations Against Ahmediyya

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Thank you Iconclost for opening the thread. I would again like to remind all that just present your allegations and I will reply. Mocking and characterisation will not be accepted as it is against the forum rules and I will report such post. Lets try to be friendly and adults in understanding. Most of all dont put loads of copy paste material from website once. Please provide references for the allegations as well.

I haven sent RC a personal message on the following allegations that I require reference. He is perhaps busy with his other commitments. However I thought I should better post my go on the allegations.

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Your point on this is that Mirza saab said that metaphorically (isti’aaran) (like I am disagreeing with that), I am saying even saying this metaphorically is wrong. But leave that…

Lets talk about these claims by Mirza saab

“The God of Muhammad manifested Himself to Ahmad of Qadian, and He in the form of Ghulam Ahmad radiated His light.” (Al-Hakam, No. 5)

Please provide reference for this writing from the book. I could not find this book on alislam.org

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“I dreamt that I was Allah and I believed that I was really he.” (Aina-i-Kamalat, Page 564)

Please provide reference of the book from writing as what I read on page 564 is in Arabic. Where did you get the translation from?
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-5-13.pdf](http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-5-13.pdf)

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“I saw that I was God, and believed that I was He, and in that condition I was saying, ‘We intend to create a new system and a new heaven and earth.’ Then, I said ‘We decorated the Lower heaven with Lights; and added, We shall create men out of the extract of earth’.” (Kitab-ul-Bariya, Page 78; Aina-i-Kamalat, Page 564)

Again Page 564 of Aina-i-Kamalat is in Arabic and page 78 (checked both type of numbering) does not have wordings of allegation you mentioned. Please provide the reference of the allegation from the book.

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“Muhammad has again come among us. His new position is an improvement on his earlier visitation. If any man wishes to see Muhammad, akmal (more competent), then he should see Ghulam Ahmad, in Qadian.”(Al-Badr, Oct 5, 1906; Written by a poet and published by Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

I again could not find Al-Badar (I think it is a magazine) online. Could you again kindly give me the reference from the magazine? (perhaps the image)

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“It is a fact that Muhammad(pbuh) worked only three thousand miracles… My Miracles exceed one million in numbers.”(Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79; Tadhkira tul Shahadatain, Page 41)

Again I could not find the above statement above page 79 of Ijaz-e-Ahmadi. You may also cross reference this by visiting this link: http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-19-65.pdf](http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-19-65.pdf).

And on the second book Tadhkira tul Shahaadtien, I could not find the accused statement either. Please have a look on the book yourself: http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-20-70.pdf](http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-20-70.pdf).

I would be very grateful if you can provide the references which match the accusation raised. Or let me know if I am looking at the wrong thing. I am not denying of any of the accusation posted as its not true or not written but I need correct references from the books so I can read them.

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“It is possible for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other man; if any man wishes, he can rise even above Muhammad(pbuh).”(Daily Al-Fadl, Jul 17. 1992, Mirza Basheer al-Din Mahmud Qadiani)

I am not sure who you are referring to in above statement. If you meant the Hadhrat Mirza Bashir u din Mahmood (RA) Khalifa tul Masih the second then he passed away in 70s and above statement was published in 1992. Infact I haven’t been able to get hold onto above statement or Newspaper either. A copy of this paper will be highly appreciated.

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“This verse, ‘He is the Messenger of God and the seal of Prophets’ contains a secret allusion to prophecy and that is that the coming of prophets is sealed for ever, and except for the prophet incarnate who is no other than the prophet himself, will have the faculty of receiving revelations from God openly like the prophets of old. Since I was destined to be the Prophet that was to come, I was destined to be the Prophet that was to come, I was made the prophet Incarnate.”(Eik Ghalati-ka-Izala, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
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Kindly provide the page number for this statement.

Finally I am not denying anything in allegations. It’s only that I require correct pages and books, links and perhaps the screen shot of the writing. I cannot comment of anything until I read the writing myself. It maybe that the writing is taken in the wrong context.