Allegations Against Ahmediyya

[Mr.Popat]

@inuit

Once one issue is resolved, i will come to the topic of “Mirza Qadiyani as a british agent” or “Prophecy of Mirza Qadiyani about Moulvi Sanaullah”
I dont want to mixup the issues.

First accept either of the group is “Kafir”, which is an undeniable fact; scanned image of writing of your 2nd khalifa also shows this. i am posting that image again at the bottom of this post.

to me you are kaafir of Imam Mahdi (AS). Please explain how me accepting Imam Mahdi would make me kafir ? Provide reference from Quran.

@inuit

These are already answered as “Jawab-ul-jawab” in coming posts.

I have already replied about it. No need to repeat the same question again and again to create a doubt in the minds of readers.

Listen buddy.. its as simple as that. You provide me with the definition of a Muslim and we can both move on to something else. If you have already replied to it, please direct me to the post # so i can read your reply. As far as i know you have not provided me with the definite definition of a Muslim. I do not understand why you dont take this question seriously as from the definition of a Muslim will indicate who will be kafir. Meaning, anything that a Muslim IS NOT suppose to believe would make him a kafir. It will make everything crystal clear. Also, keep in mind when writing the definition , please do let us all know if theres a consensus amongst all the Ullama e Islam.

@inuit

• This was already replied, i think you overlooked.
• i am pasting it again here.

Dispite the issue of Prophethood of Promised Imam Mahdi there no problem whether he has already arrived or he has yet to arriave in latter days. Since the Qadiyanis give wrong status of prophethood to a person who claim that he is Imam Mahdi; which make them kafir. and also they label the same person as Promised Messiah for which other muslims believe that this is not that one who will decend in latter days. That is a seperate issue whether the old one is died or alive. Muslims believe that the one in which Qadiyanis believe is the false one which makes them kafir. Neither Shia nor Sunnis do have to right to make anybody a Kafir, it is natural - logically there is no choice for Shias and Sunnis for Qadiyanies. Dont think that i am giving any favor to Shias and Sunnis. Similarly Qadiyanies do have a right to say other sects in Islam “kafir” because they are denier of a true prophet in qadiyanis views. what is the status in “bargah e Ellahie” that is a saperate issue i am not touching that.

There should not be any problem for the follower of any mahdi whether he is true or false. As i said its natural either group will be kafir, fasiq, whatever you name you want to give them.

Why do you twist the question? the question is simple.. if u happen to believe Imam Mahdi (AS) in ur lifetime, will u be ok if other Muslims call you kaafir? I understand you’re gonna say either one of them will be kaafir.. but how? Kaafir means “the denier” ..therefore, you will keep calling other Muslims kafir while other will be busy issuing fatwas against you. So what are we arguing about ??

@inuit

Defination of a muslim is out of question here. The only issue is believer of a false prophet is kafir and rejector of a true prophet is also kafir.

I did not expect you to copy/paste your own answers and present it again. Definition of Muslim is a big question which can answer who is Kafir and who isnt.

@inuit

I dont need to give you any reference from any book. what i have said is a daleel from Aql’.

Question was if you believe that what you have been believing is the true teachings of Islam. that was your answer? daleel from Aql can only be applied if you use your aql. You let your Mullahs issue unnecessary fatwas.. and people like you start acting upon it without seeing whether your Mullah is guiding you to the right path or not. Is this wat you call Aql? Start acting upon Islam , the religion of Allah, and not the religion of Mullahs.. theres a huge difference there, one need good eye to see the difference.

@inuit

**Though these are out of topic, however, Necessary answers have been given.

IF you are not satisfied, as per your self defined rule, its your responsibility to raise the objection or question to get further clarification. IF you dont raise any objection it will be considered accepted by you; as you wrote**

You tried acting very clever but unfortunately wasnt all that clever of you. That above statement can only be applied in cases when one ask question and the other clarifies it and then the questioner dont raise any objection on it and move to another topic. In your case, you asked question i replied with questions in ur reply and now your replies are not the answers of my questions at all… I need not to object on anything..infact you know very well what the objection should be from my side.. that is clarify the term Muslim for me. Infact, me only saying that I am still not satisfied with your answers and raise few questions ( as i have earlier ) would be more than enough as proof that i raised objections. In aramis case you theres not even a hint that she had objection.

@inuit

To resolve the issue i did made a post in reply of another Qadiyani poster; which you cant deny.

I am giving you a scanned referance from a book written by your khalifa. no comments are required. I think it is telling you what i meant.

Concentrate on the core of the issue.

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I dont need any reply for anything;
I just need your comments on what your khalifa said in that scanned image. that’s all i need.
dont put the readers - squeeze the issue for them.**

Reply will be given to you tomorrow Inshallah. However, in the meanwhile I do suggest you to atleast read the whole page that you posted and not just the underlined parts of it. I hope you do understand what you posted.