Allegations Against Ahmediyya

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@Mr.Popat

If you have objection to what i said to Aramis on the issue of calling Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) as agent of british gov’t then please raise your objection. When i replied aramis, she had nothing else to say nor did anyone else (including you) raised any argument against it. When reply is given to someone and s/he changes the topic makes it clear that there are no more doubts left about that issue.

Once one issue is resolved, i will come to the topic of “Mirza Qadiyani as a british agent” or “Prophecy of Mirza Qadiyani about Moulvi Sanaullah”
I dont want to mixup the issues.

First accept either of the group is “Kafir”, which is an undeniable fact; scanned image of writing of your 2nd khalifa also shows this. i am posting that image again at the bottom of this post.

@Mr.Popat

As far as your questions are concerned please go back to the thread and find my replies to your questions.. here they are..:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6672180-post150.html
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6672559-post152.html

These are already answered as “Jawab-ul-jawab” in coming posts.

@Mr.Popat

Infact , if you read my replies to you, i am waiting for your answer on the definition of “Muslim”

I have already replied about it. No need to repeat the same question again and again to create a doubt in the minds of readers.

@Mr.Popat

Also no reply was given by you on this matter as well :
You believe that Imam Mahdi/Promised Messiah (AS) is suppose to come in the latter days. So does the Ahmadi Muslims. Ahmadis recognizing the person as prophesised by Muhammad PBUH, and accepting Him makes them ‘kaafir’ but when the same belief is held by you people, you are considered Muslims. Therefore, what i think is that just the mere belief of Imam Mahdi/Promised Messiah (AS) is what it needs to be called Muslim , and not actually accepting him. Is that right?

• This was already replied, i think you overlooked.
• i am pasting it again here.

Dispite the issue of Prophethood of Promised Imam Mahdi there no problem whether he has already arrived or he has yet to arriave in latter days. Since the Qadiyanis give wrong status of prophethood to a person who claim that he is Imam Mahdi; which make them kafir. and also they label the same person as Promised Messiah for which other muslims believe that this is not that one who will decend in latter days. That is a seperate issue whether the old one is died or alive. Muslims believe that the one in which Qadiyanis believe is the false one which makes them kafir. Neither Shia nor Sunnis do have to right to make anybody a Kafir, it is natural - logically there is no choice for Shias and Sunnis for Qadiyanies. Dont think that i am giving any favor to Shias and Sunnis. Similarly Qadiyanies do have a right to say other sects in Islam “kafir” because they are denier of a true prophet in qadiyanis views. what is the status in “bargah e Ellahie” that is a saperate issue i am not touching that.

@Mr.Popat

These were also my questions in reply to your questions to which you did not reply to my satisfaction

1. What will you be called by your fellow Muslims if and when you happen to live in the time of the coming of Hazrat Imam Mahdi /Promised Messiah (AS)… if you accept him, and other Muslims reject him. Will you be ok when they call you kafir?

There should not be any problem for the follower of any mahdi whether he is true or false. As i said its natural either group will be kafir, fasiq, whatever you name you want to give them.

@Mr.Popat

2. Please provide me with the name of the book or just merely an article explaining the meaning of the word ‘Muslim’ and I would also like to see the whole Muslim Ummah’s consensus on the brief definition. Thank you.

Defination of a muslim is out of question here. The only issue is believer of a false prophet is kafir and rejector of a true prophet is also kafir.

@Mr.Popat

3. Can you prove what you have been believing thus far is actually the ‘islamic’ teachings?

I dont need to give you any reference from any book. what i have said is a daleel from Aql’.

@Mr.Popat

as you can see you are trying to avoid the question of what the definition of a Muslim is.. it would be nice to have sensible answers from you.

**Though these are out of topic, however, Necessary answers have been given.

IF you are not satisfied, as per your self defined rule, its your responsibility to raise the objection or question to get further clarification. IF you dont raise any objection it will be considered accepted by you; as you wrote.
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To resolve the issue i did made a post in reply of another Qadiyani poster; which you cant deny.

I am giving you a scanned referance from a book written by your khalifa. no comments are required. I think it is telling you what i meant.

Concentrate on the core of the issue.

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I dont need any reply for anything;
I just need your comments on what your khalifa said in that scanned image. that’s all i need.
dont put the readers - squeeze the issue for them.**