peace inuit,
I am in no way playing with the words. I asked you what the definition of a Muslim is which you failed to answer. Lets re-phrase the question in an attempt to make it understand better with very little thinking involved. So I ask again, what is the criteria of becoming a Muslim?
With all due respect mr inuit, who said Ahmadi Muslims deny the true prophet of Allah SWT? Why are you making up stuff? Ahmadi Muslims neither deny the true prophet of Allah , nor do they accept false prophet. In fact, if you look at it from a bigger picture, it is the Ahmadi Muslims who accepted the true prophet of Allah, thus in result of the search of the Imam Mahdi AS as prophesised by the true prophet of Allah, as the acceptance of Imam Mahdi AS in the personality of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS).
Also, you do realize whatever you’re saying is all your personal views on the subject without any authentic evidence to back your statements. Who is from Allah & who is not is not to be judged by people. Thus, the fatwas of kufr against someone accepting Imam Mahdi AS, is out of question.
By all means please do scan images of our khalifa’s book where he said that. Also, dont forget to scan a couple of pages prior to the subject and a couple of pages afterwards to get a better understanding.
Let me give it another try…Kafir simply means the denier. Now, you openly say you dont believe Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS , that makes you kafir. However, because you are the follower of Muhammad (PBUH), the master of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS), and you do believe in Muhammad PBUH , this makes you Muslim but kafir of Promised Messiah (AS). This same rule cannot be applied to Ahmadi Muslims because they are firm believers of Islam and also believe in Allah’s true apostle (PBUH).
views of ‘Muslims’ will always be the same despite coming of Imam Mahdi (AS), ( if he, according to you still hasnt arrived ). He (AS) will be a false claimant in the eyes of other Muslims, and then the fatwa of kufr again. It is a never ending issue my friend. When we both hold the same beliefs, I accepted the person who was suppose to come, you are still waiting, how does either one of this makes the other kafir?. But because you issued the fatwa on Ahmadis first of being kafir, this fatwa goes back to you, because you being holding the same beliefs and not accepting the person makes you kafir , ( the promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi (AS)'s kafir ). We have not enough courage to declare anyone kafir if He is the follower of Islam.
Do you know your very own fundamental beliefs are so twisted that it will spin your head once i start on the topic of prophethood. For few references I would like you to read these quotes written by non-ahmadi scholars and do let me know if they become kafir for holding such beliefs…
Ibn e arabi stated : " prophethood has not been totally abolished . That is why that we had said that only prophethood bringing a new law of shariah came to an end." This is taken from the book "Al Yawaqeet Wal Jawahir , Vol 2 , page 35
Another of the sholar states.. in regards to the la nabiya baade hadith , Nawab nur al hassan khan ( a prominent scholar of Ahle Hadith ) stated : " the so called hadith laa wahi baade mauti ( no divine revelation after my death ) is unfounded. We have a hadith laa nabiyya ba’adee which according to the learned means there will be no law - bearing prophet after the holy prophet or a prophet who would abrogate his laws " … the book name is " Iqterab al sa’ah . page 162.
Anyhow, these are some of the very few quotations im putting forth. I would like you to analyze their beliefs and tell whether the belief of someone after Muhammad PBUH ( as a subordinate prophet ) can make one a kafir? If so, Jesus (AS) issue is a vast topic for counter argument.
Imam Mahdi/Promised Messiah (AS) has got to be a prophet. A subordinate prophet of Muhammad PBUH. He is to bring NO new law, and will follow the Muhammadi Shariyah. As prophet Muhammad PBUH himself referred to Jesus ( the one to appear in the latter days , not Jesus AS of nazareth ) as the prophet of Allah. Being a subordinate prophet of Prophet Muhammad PBUH is a blessing and not a curse from Allah. Islam sure does have the power to raise subordinate prophets. Keep in mind, no new law can now come. If someone claims prophethood outside the Muhammadi Shariyah, he is no doubt a liar.
Beleiving of Muslims as Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) as a false claimant does not give them the right to issue kufr fatwa on them. Prophet Muhammad PBUH is a false prophet in the eyes of Christians, and so is Jesus (AS) in the eyes of Jews. Let Allah be the judge here.
Definition of a Muslim is what im looking for from you. Why do you say its out of question. When Muslims are the one declaring others Kafir, one wonder what needs to be done to become a Muslim, and who are the ones issuing fatwas?
I still havent gotten a clear cut answer.. if you accept Imam Mahdi (AS) in your lifetime , if he ever appears, will you be ok with the fact that other Muslims who rejected Him will issue fatwa against him and declare him Kafir? I dont get it when you said it ‘natural’ either group will be kafir. I need some more clarification on this answer of yours.
Thank you.