Allegations Against Ahmediyya

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@Mr.Popat

wait a minute.. who is Muslim? shia/sunni? who said so? ur ullama? who told ur ullamas?

At this point you lost your temperament.

I advise u to calm down and not to play with words.

@Mr.Popat

Answer 1 : It is pointless to explain what the term kafir means until and unless the definition of the word Muslim is being presented by you.

I dont think it is important. It is understood that whoever deny the true prophet of Allah is a kafir. and vise versa whoever accept false prophet as a prophet of Allah is also kafir. you cant deny a simple fact. Dont confuse yourself in a cycle in which Muslism used the word kafir for eachother on different other issues. This cant protect a person who has a believe in a false prophet.

@Mr.Popat

Answer 2 : Throughout the Ahmadiyya literature you will not find a single line addressing the rest of the Muslims as “Kafir” but rather " non-ahmadi ". Christians openly say that they dont believe in Muhammad PBUH, hence Muslim calling them kafir is acceptable by them. You openly say that you dont believe in the promised Messiah (AS), and hence we call you kafir of promised Messiah (AS), never have we ever used the term kafir for Muslims. When they themselves say they are Muslims, who are we really to judge them? however, same thing cannot be apply to Ahmadi Muslims around the world. When they openly say Muhammad PBUH is who they believe as Allah’s apostle, the highest of the messengers, you cannot label Ahmadis as ‘kafir’.

You are playing with words here.

Be pricise!

the following link will show u a good picture of a dispute between Qadiyani and Lahorie. Since this issue made 2 branches in Qadiyanis, so its undeniable fact that Qadiyanis do believe other mulism are “kafir”. whether you use “kafir” or “kafir of promised Messiah” is mangling of words.

I dont have to paste the scranned images for your khalifa’s books.

here is the link to review your thoughts.

Qadianis declare other Muslims as kafir

@Mr.Popat

5 pillars of Islam is what Ahmadi Muslims believe in. Prophet Muhammad SAW is the seal of all the prophets and the exalted prophet and messenger of Allah is what Ahmadis believe in. Quran and hadith e nabwi (SAW) is where they get their teachings from. They direct to Ka’aba when praying. My friend, where is the kufr?

As per muslim “views” they believe in a false prophet which makes them Kafir. you give weight to the “views” or not i dont care about that. possiblity or not the possiblity in the “bargah” of Allah the Almighty is not the question here.

@Mr.Popat

Lets put it this way. You believe that Imam Mahdi/Promised Messiah (AS) is suppose to come in the latter days. So does the Ahmadi Muslims. Ahmadis recognizing the person as prophesised by Muhammad PBUH, and accepting Him makes them ‘kaafir’ but when the same belief is held by you people, you are considered Muslims. Therefore, what i think is that just the mere belief of Imam Mahdi/Promised Messiah (AS) is what it needs to be called Muslim , and not actually accepting him. Is that right?

Dispite the issue of Prophethood of Promised Imam Mahdi there no problem whether he has already arrived or he has yet to arriave in latter days. Since the Qadiyanis give wrong status of prophethood to a person who claim that he is Imam Mahdi; which make them kafir. and also they label the same person as Promised Messiah for which other muslims believe that this is not that one who will decend in latter days. That is a seperate issue whether the old one is died or alive. Muslims believe that the one in which Qadiyanis believe is the false one which makes them kafir. Neither Shia nor Sunnis do have to right to make anybody a Kafir, it is natural - logically there is no choice for Shias and Sunnis for Qadiyanies. Dont think that i am giving any favor to Shias and Sunnis. Similarly Qadiyanies do have a right to say other sects in Islam “kafir” because they are denier of a true prophet in qadiyanis views. what is the status in “bargah e Ellahie” that is a saperate issue i am not touching that.

@Mr.Popat

I think you are intelligent enough and have studied the ahmadiyya literature. However, if you havent, the anti-ahmadiyya sites on the internet are plenty. I would like you to copy/paste me the writing of the Ahmadiyya leader when He says that all Muslims are kaafir. Please also keep in mind the context in which He says that. I will then answer you.

I think this issue is not addressed in this manner in any anti-ahmadiyaa websites. for this i would rather ref you to the same website. this is one of the key point on which Lahories seperated from you guys.
Qadianis declare other Muslims as kafir

@Mr.Popat

1. What will you be called by your fellow Muslims if and when you happen to live in the time of the coming of Hazrat Imam Mahdi /Promised Messiah (AS)… if you accept him, and other Muslims reject him. Will you be ok when they call you kafir?

There should not be any problem for the follower of any mahdi whether he is true or false. As i said its natural either group will be kafir, fasiq, whatever you name you want to give them.

@Mr.Popat

2. Please provide me with the name of the book or just merely an article explaining the meaning of the word ‘Muslim’ and I would also like to see the whole Muslim Ummah’s consensus on the brief definition.

Defination of a muslim is out of question here. The only issue is believer of a false prophet is kafir and rejector of a true prophet is also kafir.

@Mr.Popat

3. Can you prove what you have been believing thus far is actually the ‘islamic’ teachings?

I dont need to give you any reference from any book. what i have said is a daleel from Aql’.