Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

[zer01]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

@ MesmeriZeD

thanx for the advise brother, but since you were toltely unbaised in interpreting the ayah, would you please tell me how to do this.

here’s another ayah from Quran supporting my claim and my belief about the Prophet Mohammed (saww)

005.015**YUSUFALI:O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, - **
PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. now hath come unto you light from Allah and plain Scripture,
SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah;

read my posts above keeping this ayah in mind, O you the unbiased one

[nomaan]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

I've read that the purpose of Muhammed (pbuh) prophethood was to reveal the Quran. He was a medium b/w Allah, and humankind.

Saying that The purpose of making this world was so that God could create the Prophet (pbuh) doesn't really make sense. Why send hundreds of thounsands of prophets before him?

[Pathan_Bhai]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

"Saying that The purpose of making this world was so that God could create the Prophet (pbuh) doesn't really make sense.Why send hundreds of thounsands of prophets before him?"

nomaan, i am at work and do not have a copy of Quran here. But related to this is an Ayat in Quran that talks about all the prophets bearing witness to Prophet Mohammad infront of Allah before the world was created. I think the Sura is Sura Imran (i m not sure). May be some enlightened person could help us here by posting the great verse. Thanks.

[MesmeriZeD]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

@zer01

@ MesmeriZeD

thanx for the advise brother, but since you were toltely unbaised in interpreting the ayah, would you please tell me how to do this.

here’s another ayah from Quran supporting my claim and my belief about the Prophet Mohammed (saww)

005.015**YUSUFALI:O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, - **
PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. now hath come unto you light from Allah and plain Scripture,
SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah;

read my posts above keeping this ayah in mind, O you the unbiased one

Light in that verse may refer to The Quran itself. Through Quran(light) me make things clear and I doubt God would be mentioning the material the Prophet(as) was made of. Even if the ayat refers to the holy Prophet(as), I strongly believe that the meaning is metaphorcial rather than literal.

Further more you havent posted authentic hadiths to support your belief. please do

[zer01]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

@MesmeriZeD

Light in that verse may refer to The Quran itself. Through Quran(light) me make things clear and I doubt God would be mentioning the material the Prophet(as) was made of. Even if the ayat refers to the holy Prophet(as), I strongly believe that the meaning is metaphorcial rather than literal.

Further more you havent posted authentic hadiths to support your belief. please do

Wah! keya kehnay mohtram! Maan gaey aapko GHaer jaanib daaron ka ustaad.

I doubt God would be mentioning the material the Prophet(as) was made of

What are you?? An authority on Quran??

following are some commentaries on the above ayah from famous Ulema of Ahle-sunnah:

EXPLANATION OF THE PROPHET’S NAME “LIGHT” (NUR)

There are three verses in the Qur’an which mention the Prophet as a light.

Allah said: “From Allah has come to you a Light and a Book manifest.” (5:15)

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Qadi `Iyad said: “He [the Prophet] was named a Light because of the clarity of his case and the fact that his Prophecy was made manifest, and also because of the illumination of the hearts of the believers and the knowers of Allah with what he brought.”

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****Suyuti in Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Fayruzabadi in the Tafsir Ibn Abbas entitled Tanwir al-miqbas (p. 72), Shaykh al-Islam, Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, the Mujaddid of the sixth century, in his Tafsir al-kabir (11:189), Qadi Baydawi in his Tafsir entitled Anwar al-tanzil, al-Baghawi in his Tafsir entitled Maalim al-tanzil (2:23), Imam al-Shirbini in his Tafsir entitled al-Siraj al-munir (p. 360), the author of Tafsir Abi Sa`ud (4:36), and Thana’ullah Pani Patti in his Tafsir al-mazhari, (3:67) said: “What is meant by a Light is: Muhammad, Blessings and peace upon him.”

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****Ibn Jarir al-Tabari in his Tafsir jami` al-bayan (6:92) said: “There has come to you a Light from Allah: He means by the Light: Muhammad, Blessings and peace upon him, by means of whom Allah has illuminated the truth, brought forth Islam, and obliterated idolatry. Therefore he (the Prophet) is a light for those who have been enlightened by him and by his exposition of truth.”

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****al-Khazin in his Tafsir (2:28) similarly says: “There has come to you a Light from Allah means: Muhammad, Blessings and peace upon him. Allah called him a light for no other reason than that one is guided by him (Muhammad) in the same way that one is guided by light in darkness.”

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**al-Nasafi in his commentary entitled Tafsir al-Madarik (1:276) and al-Qasimi in his Mahasin al-ta’wil (6:1921) similarly say: "There has come to you a Light from Allah: this is the light of Muhammad, Blessings and peace upon him, because one is guided by him. Similarly he has been called a lamp (siraj). **

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**Imam Ahmad al-Sawi similarly said in his supercommen-tary on Tafsir al-Jalalayn (1:258): “There has come to you a Light from Allah: that Light is the Prophet, Blessings and peace upon him. He was named a light because he enlightens the sight and guides it to the correct path; and also because he is the root of every light whether material or spiritual.” **

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Sayyid Mahmud al-Alusi in his commentary entitled Tafsir Ruh al-Ma`ani (6:97) similarly says: “There has come to you a Light from Allah: that is, an immense light which is the Light of Lights and the Elect among all Prophets, Blessings and peace upon him.”

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Isma`il al-Haqqi in his supercommentary on Alusi entitled Tafsir ruh al-bayan (2:370) similarly said: “There has come to you a Light from Allah and a Book that makes all things manifest: It is said that the meaning of the former is the Messenger, Blessings and peace upon him, and the latter is the Qur’an… The Messenger is called a Light because the first thing which Allah brought forth from the darkness of oblivion with the light of His power was the light of Muhammad, Blessings and peace upon him, as he (the Prophet) said: The first thing Allah created is my light.” This narration is addressed below.

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Of particular note is the fact that the Mutazilis insisted that the Light in verse 5:15 referred only to the Qur'an and not to the Prophet. Alusi said in the continuation of the passage quoted above: "Abu Ali al-Jubba’i said that the light concerns the Qur’an because the Qur’an discloses and brings forth the paths of guidance and certitude. al-Zamakhshari [in al-Kashshaf 1:601] also contented himself with this explanation." Further elaboration on these two sources is given by Shah Abd al-Aziz al-Multani in his al-Nabras (p. 28-29): “al-Kashshaf proclaims itself Father of the Mutazila... Abu Ali al-Jubba’i is the Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab of the Mutazila of Basra**.” The similarity of the Mutazila with the Wahhabis and "Salafis" of modern times is pointed out by Imam Kawthari in many places in his Maqalat, where he shows that as in the case of the Mutazila, the Wahhabis’ denial of the characteristics of the awliya’ camouflages a denial of those of the Prophets.**

**There is a notable explanation among Ahl al-Sunna which ascribes the meaning of the Prophet to both the Light and the Book. **
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****al-Sayyid al-Alusi said in Ruh al-maani (6:97): "I do not consider it far-fetched that what is meant by both the Light and the Manifest Book is the Prophet, the conjunction being in the same way as what was said by al-Jubba'i [in that that both the Light and the Book were the Qur'an]. There is no doubt that all can be said to refer to the Prophet. Perhaps you will be reluctant to accept this from the viewpoint of expression (ibara); then let it be from the viewpoint of subtle allusion (ishara)."

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al-Qari said in Sharh al-shifa’ (1:505, Mecca ed.): “It has also been said that both the Light and the Book refer to Muhammad, because just as he is a tremendous light and the source of all lights, he is also a book that gathers up and makes clear all the secrets.” He also said (1:114, Madina ed.): “And what objection is there to predicate both nouns to the Prophet, since he is in truth an immense Light due to the perfection of his appearance among all light, and he is a Manifest Book since he gathers up the totality of secrets and he makes evident all laws, situations, and alternatives.”

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@MesmeriZeD

Further more you havent posted authentic hadiths to support your belief. please do

here you go:

The Prophet’s uncle al-Abbas ibn Abd al-Muttalib said to him: “O Messenger of Allah, I wish to praise you.” The Prophet replied: “Go ahead – nay, may Allah adorn your mouth with silver!” He said:

Before you came to this world you were blessed in the shadows and in the repository (i.e. loins) in the time when they (Adam and Eve) covered themselves with leaves. Then you descended to the earth, neither as a human being, nor as a piece of flesh, nor as a clot, But as a drop that boarded the ark when the flood destroyed the eagle and the rest of the idols:
A drop that progressed from the loins to the wombs in the succession of the worlds and the heavens Until the Preserver of All made your immense honor issue in the highest summit of the line of Khindif. And then, when you were born, a light rose over the earth until it illuminated the horizon with its radiance. We are in that illumination and that original light and those paths of guidance – and thanks to them pierce through.

Ibn Sayyid al-Nas narrated it with his isnad through al-Tabarani and al-Bazzar in Minah al-madh (p. 192-193), also Ibn Kathir in al-Sira al-nabawiyya (ed. Mustafa Abd al-Wahid 4:51), and Ali al-Qari in his Sharh al-Shifa’ (1:364) says it is narrated by Abu Bakr al-Shafii and Tabarani, and cited by Ibn Abd al-Barr in al-Istiab and Ibn al-Qayyim in Zad al-maad.

[sarcasm] wait a min, this too is daeef, isn’it [/sarcasm] btw there are more

side note: You see Faisal, I can also color the sunni doctrine

[bigal]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

Salam
According to hadith and certain interpretation of Quran, Allah (s.w.t) may have created Prophet Mohammad (PUBH&HF) first as a light (noor) before creating prophet Adam. This hadith will related to that. Also the three verses of surrat Rahman (could) support this interpretation.

[wais88]

Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

@inuit

JazakAllah zer01; an excellent post.

It is often seen that when a Shia is involved in a discussion with a Wahabi; Sunnies wouldn’t take part in it. Even if Shia and Sunnies have similar views about that issue. There can be three reasons.

(1) Sunnies are scared by Wahabies. They think that their arguments are weaker. (2) Suniies don’t want to join with Shias even if the issue is Noor of The Holy Prophet(PBUH&HF) (3) Sunnies are more closer to Wahabies; They think that these are minors issues and no need to join anybody else.

Although there are lots of Sunnies websites supporting their views but nobody dare to join the discussion from them; There are many people from Ahle Sunnah in this forum as well.

who says that we(muslims) fear wahabis or any other weak links?
we look at yall as forbidden subjects.
here in india we wash our mosques completely if any wahabi steps a foot in.
we hate yall cuz yall been disrespecting our loving prophet s.a.w since the very beginning and you will continue to do so cuz you have let go your iman like an arrow leaves its bow.
yall are the people who lac (infact have no knowledge) of islam, you shave your heads and sit in circles nd you will certainly continue to do so and your final group is the one that will come wit dajjal.
you were rejected by everybody.

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mai mureed hu deewana
gar mai wajd mai aajau
mere saamne mat aana