Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
don’t refer to your own posts like that… all of them aren’t that bad… 
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Do keep in mind that Tafsir.com only gives an abridgement of what’s in Tafsir Ibn Kathir, not necessarily the full discussion/commentary on each verse…
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
zer01, the only bull I see around here are your posts. You have been sharing information claiming that most of them are Sunni beliefs, all the while posting material from Shia and Sufi websites.
gupguppy, I'm aware of that. However, most of what I posted did briefly cover the inaccurate claims made by zero1.
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- O' People ! Sadiyah is playing tricks with Sunnies here. Making it a Shia Sunni issue. Its not a Shia Sunni issue. Its Shia/Sunni and Wahabi issue. Shia and Sunnies both are agreed that Mohammed’s [PBUH&HF] noor was created 1st by Allah as #let uz chat# mentioned above. *
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
inuit, oh so knowledgeable one. Do you mind sharing some authentic sources for your claim using Sunni references?
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let uz chat# is a Sunni, zer01 is a Shia, and you are a Wahabi isn’t it an authentic source for my claim?
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
inuit, wahabi is a derogatory term to begin with. I'm a Sunni Muslim follower of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah.
Why don't you provide us with the authentic sources to your claim? Afterall, it's something you strongly believe in and I'm sure you must be having some authentic material on it. So please do share it with the rest of us.
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inuit, wahabi is a derogatory term to begin with. I'm a Sunni Muslim follower of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah.
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This is I don’t agree with. This is a hoax what Wahabies often do.
Wahabies do have different view then Sunnies, about Noorani creation of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH&HF) and I provided the proof above.
If you are looking for proofs about the Noorani creation of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) from Sunnies, better if u ask a Sunni for more details.
As for Shias are concerned zero1 has said enough on it.
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Keep referring to me as whatever you want to.
I'm a Sunni Muslim and a follower of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamah and Allah (SWT) is my Witness to that.
I no longer wish to engage into any sort of discussion with you or anyone else on this topic. Both sides have presented their views and that is sufficient enough for me.
Peace!
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
If he only was honest writting that tafsir 
check the tafsir of following ayah and tell me honestly how old an orphan could be?
AD-DHUHA - 093.006
**YUSUFALI: Did He not find thee an orphan and give thee shelter (and care)? **
SHAKIR: Did He not find you an orphan and give you shelter?
heres the link: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=93&tid=58632
there are lot more but I dont want to go in details. One example would be enough for now 
I ask you again about the ayah you posted:
how does this ayah justify the thread title and the fatwa?
and again
Who were the Ale-ien (exalted ones) mentioned in following ayah?
038.075
**قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَن تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَيَّ أَسْتَكْبَرْتَ أَمْ كُنتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ **
YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: “O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?”
PICKTHAL: **He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted? **
SHAKIR: **He said: O Iblis! what prevented you that you should do obeisance to him whom I created with My two hands? Are you proud or are you of the exalted ones? **
the ayah tells us they were more then one (Ale-ein = Aali Muqamm Waley) and were in existence at that time, who were they??
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Folks, learn to disagree. You don't have to call others' views as 'bull' or resort to calling them names, just because you don't agree to their opinions. Religion is largely a matter of faith. If you prefer not to discuss it, thats fine. But if you do want to discuss, try to deliberate with a cool mind (not necessarily an open mind). :)
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Very well said !
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I too found zer01’s retort a little unnecessary… not sure what cryptic understandings he’s trying to extrapolate in his last post…
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okay now come back to the topic and reply him what he wrote other than about that “bull”
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^ you mean earth shattering questions like, "how old an orphan could be?"!?
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No! its,
how does this ayah justify the thread title and the fatwa?
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
^ you want me to answer that when zer01 already said, "i aint addressing ya gupguppy"... it's Sadiyah's thread title, not mine... now go run along and do something useful with yourself...
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^^
Do you really care ... Why did not you mention this in your Feb 1st, 2005, 10:57 AM post ...
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
^ you still want me to read Sadiyah's mind to find out why she chose this thread title? Grow up will ya!
Re: Allah (SWT) did not create this world for Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
@ zer01
brother infact if you look at the ayat you are mentioning above with an unbiased mind, the ayar looks pretty straightforward to me. Let us look at the ayat once more, shall we
"art thou proud or art thou of the high exalted"? Now mr. iblis refuses to obey God which could mean that either he is proud or considers himself to be geat ie sufficiently high in rank to dispute with God. ( Ale-ein). Furthermore even if the 14 infallibles(as) are mentioned in this ayat( as almost every shia would love to) what hinders them(as) from prostrating hazrat Adam(as)?
If you have any authentic hadith to prove your point then please post the hadith.