Allah Hafiz

AoA,

GS is a beautiful place where I have spent years. So much is the addiction that maybe thats what i used to think about while driving. I must admist, I have almost grown up here.

I also realize that at times i have been quite rude to many, for which i do apologise. Sometimes, my posts have earned harsh criticisms and were seem as extreme. I do agree that they were sometimes showing opinions out of the ordinary.

I however feel that those opinions just came naturally. Sometimes those emotions went overboard. Yes one must learn to control emotions. I am weak at that. I know i can be and should be a much better human being if i learn to control my emotions and what i say and write.

I am not too religious - i think. No beard ( i have a thousand explanations for it), do not pray fajr mostly - can’t wake up early. and honestly speaking my worst problem is anger. How can i even be a good person if i can’t control my anger.

I am passionate about various things including Pakistan. I literally went into big arguments with many Indians over their insulting Pakistan. I guess that was childish. I now come to realize that it was pointless. Yes those were my nationalist feelings i grew up with. I now know nationalism always leads to selfishness which leads to hatred. There goes the universal brotherhood and equality of mankind in the drain.

Yes now i like indians too. :)They are also humans like us. Infact from a nationalism point of view they were our brothers as Indians only 60 years back. All humans are children of one father, than why these divisions.

Now the main point.

Putting aside my love for this place where i learnt so many new things and met so many nice people, i do have my reservations.

Freedom must have a limit. Many nice people and well educated people end being such wierd one ( in my opinion - no hard feelings) that one feels frustrated. Nobody is perfect but sometimes mods ignore very serious and insulting posts. Maybe this is the norm of ‘modern’ Pakistan, where even the respect of mosques, Islamic symbols, hijab, niqab and what not are easily laughed and mocked at. Now agian, let me remind you these are my opinions, so you ofcourse can disagree.

Over the years things have deteriorated to such a level that those things which we (majority of Muslims and Pakistanis) have loved and guarded for so long, our love for the deen of nature etc.

I am sure many got my point. There has to be a limit to things. There are limits even in civilized educated western societies.

Not only one feels sad at whats said unchecked, but also a sadness at the level of ignorance people have about their religion. I am not saying i am a scholar, but i what little i know, i can feel the proplems.

I hav eno doubts in saying, the lal masjid massacre really has opened my eyes about pur governemnt and those supporting it here on GS. I myslef used to love our President. WHat he has done is taking us towards destruction day by day. Its hard to see my Pakistan bleeding like that. All i can do is pray for it and our people. May Allah show us the way. It sure wasn’t something small that happened.

Well, i just wanted to leave gupshup and maybe i should have just quietly left. However, i though it was necessary to convey my apologies to those who got hurt in any way due to my writings. I wouldn’t have felt lighter if i hadn’t written this.

My sincere prayers and goodwill for everyone here.

Allah Hafiz and good bye.

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** :salam: **
:jazak:


Jany walon ko kahan rok ska hy koi


Allah Hafiz
:waves:

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:waves:

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bye !!! but where r u going ??
( will miss yr posts in images forum )

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Whatever little I read from you, rest assured, you inspired atleast ONE person on gupshup.

It's a shame that you are leaving us. May God bless you and may God keep us updated about you.

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In my opinion, it’s a million dollar statement.

I had a post removed because it was considered slightly offensive to a minority. I communicated with the Moderator and asked him about posts “which are offensive to Majority”. I pointed out a post to him. I think that he removed that post as I could not find that, this morning.

Point is this that being a Moderator is not an easy job. They cannot keep everyone happy. As a matter of fact, scanning tons and tons of posts (every single word of it) is almost impossible. So don’t be hard on Mods. I think that they are doing a pretty decent job.

I cannot agree with you more on that. It’s a fashion to pooh pooh everything which is even remotely related with religion of Islam. Bad mouthing religious scholars is taken as an “in thing”. Discussions on how and why should we modify our religion is considered a very intellectual topic to discuss (on and off this forum).

But Laeeq bhai, should not this be the reason for you to stay in this forum. If after 100 postings, your one statement, one piece of argument, one quotation of Hadees to prove your point forces someone to rethink his/her point of view, that will worth all your frustrations.

This forum needs people like you, people who do not hide behind a cute screen name, because they know that even if their own mom and dad or brother and sister read their posting, they will not be embarrassed. They don’t hide their identity because they know that they can stand behind what they say.

We need people who are not “modern”. We need more people like you. My request at the end again, Don’t Leave.

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shadi ho gai hogee. begum ny kaha hoga.:bash:..ya mein ya GS?

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yaaar laeeq sahab

we may not see eye to eye on many issues, but I respect your opinions and truly have found new information on occassions as I have read your posts.

dont feel that you have to leave because a large number of people may disagree with you. if everyone did that then anyone who does not post 10 smilies in a post would have left by now.

These are interesting times for us, all sorts of internal and external challenges. We ned more debate and discussion, even if it does not always result in agreement...

agreement is farther away.... lets start with awareness.

some of the people who I have learnt the most from, are people who I disagree with the most :)

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wah dost ka saat aisa hota hy:lajawab:

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laeeq nay 5 rupay diyay thay post likhnay kay liye

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can you make it 10 please. it’s currently only 8 :naraz:

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ajkul to 5 rupay mey koi b nahi bikta

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Dear Laeeq,

Stay.

We need a diversity of opinion. We need debate. So what if people disagree with you. Who’ll present your side of the picture if you (or like minded posters) leave?

Regarding insulting posts, Gupshup has pretty good checks in place to deter miscreants. It’s far better than other places I have posted at. I bet you don’t remember old news group when Pakistanis went at each other at SCP. Or, Chowk UP where some guppy exiles/deportees (:hehe:) have sought refuge and nothing is sacred.

If you feel that values that are dear to your heart are being trampled upon by some posters, start posting back and develop a thick skin. It’d benefit you in goopshoop as well as life outside goopshoop.

I hope you stay and continue to contribute.

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For someone who has posted extensively supporting the govt.'s position on recent events and coined the term 'mullahtic loony', I couldn't disagree with you more.
It's NOT in to "pooh pooh everything which is even remotely related with religion of Islam". There some very good reasons and facts behind the support for a certain policy which doesn't by default mean denigration of religion or people with conservative/religious outlooks. People have been critical of extremism not religion.

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Ok Salams to you ! I liked your stuff.
Jsut one question though...
...what nick are you going to come back as then?
no body really leaves GS. And if they really do, they just slowly stop posting. The others just come back with new nicks and a slightly different attitude on the forum.

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I would like to know as well :)

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i object. there is always a way :smiley: even word impossible contains I M POSSIBLE :smiley:
but it may vary from personality to personality n ur comment is setting a generalization, as if GS [forum] na howa, janat hogai :barbie:

(as i m leaving…I DONT LIKE KHRAKz :snooty: so not making ny thread. but every one accept my appologiez, i never mean to hurt ny one. :))
AOA

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I am an old fashioned fraudia pir some days. its kinda nostalgic.
want me to write a taveez for a chawaani?

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**:salam: **

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Laeeq Sahib, every debate every argument teaches something new, stay put and defend your point of view. We may not agree each other's point of view but I respect you for your opinions on different issues. Regarding insults, it's hard for mods to cover each and every base, you can always help them by reporting the insults (believe me they take action).

Opposition is very important element in any debate or argument. Agar opposition nahin ho to bahas kia dewaaron say karo gay. :)