Re: Hezbollah digging tunnels into Israel
Nasrallah promised suprises.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
Who is brave and who is coward, you decide!
Israeli Missiles Rip Into Medics’ Esprit de Corps
TYRE, Lebanon — *In the burning haze of the missile strike, Qasim Chaalan thought he had died. But piece by piece, he noticed that he was still there, inside the ambulance. He could still feel his body. He opened his eyes, and discovered he could see.
He and the other medics were lucky: They had survived the blow of an Israeli missile. Dazed and slow, one of the men fumbled for the radio and began, "We have an accident…. " He didn’t finish the sentence. A second missile smashed with a roar into the ambulance behind them.
Six Red Cross volunteers were wounded in the Sunday attack, and the injured family they were ferrying to safety suffered fresh agonies. A middle-age man lost his leg from the knee down. His mother was partially paralyzed. A little boy’s head was hammered by shrapnel.
Perhaps most dangerous of all, the attack blunted the zeal of the band of gonzo ambulance drivers who have doggedly plugged away as Red Cross volunteers. Young men and women with easy grins and a breezy disregard for their own safety, they have remained as the last visible strand of social structure intact after days of Israeli bombardment.*
When the fighting erupted between Israel and Hezbollah, many of the volunteers sent their families north and stayed behind to help their countrymen. Clad in helmets and flak jackets, they brave a rain of Israeli bombs, a crazy maze of cratered roads and perpetual uncertainty over how bad the fighting might become. Fiercely proud of their work at the Red Cross, they had clung desperately to the hope that, as lifesavers, they would be spared.
Many times over nearly two weeks of bombing, medics say, missiles struck the roads nearby; they felt harassed. But somehow, they managed to convince themselves that they were invulnerable to attack.
“We used to kid ourselves, think we couldn’t be hit,” 38-year-old volunteer Imad Hillal said. “Even in this war, even when bombs fell around us, we never thought we’d be hit. But what happened has changed everything.”
Sitting in the radio room at Red Cross headquarters here Monday, Hillal rested his head wearily on one hand. When asked whether the ambulances would continue running, tears clouded his eyes.
The Red Cross team had been sent out into a night that thundered with falling bombs. They’d been assigned to ferry three wounded civilians out of the heaviest battle zone of the southern borderlands on Sunday. One team of medics had headed north from the town of Tibnin, the wounded family stretched flat on gurneys in the back. The other team had rushed south from Tyre to meet them halfway.
From the time the call came in, Chaalan hadn’t been able to shake his dread. He didn’t understand why. He had made the trip plenty of times before.
As he made his way out to the ambulance, he turned to the other medics loitering around and, surprising even himself, used a traditional Arabic farewell that implies death may be near.
“I’ll see you, forgive me,” he told them. He’d never said that before. One of his colleagues followed him out the door. “Please take care,” she said. She’d never done that before; it made him even more nervous. He brushed her off and climbed into the ambulance.
The three young men drove out to the town of Qana. Looking up, they could see red lights in the sky overhead. Israeli planes, Chaalan thought.
They came to a stop on a stretch of battle-pocked roadway in Qana.
*The medics favor that spot because the ambulances, with their trademark red crosses emblazoned on the roofs, can be seen clearly from above. They thought it was safe.
They climbed down, removed the patients from the other ambulance and slid them into place. They moved fast; everybody was nervous.
Then the roar and smash of the missiles shattered the summer night. Both ambulances were hit, directly and systematically, by Israeli bombs, the medics said.
Everybody else must be dead, Chaalan remembered thinking as he slowly came to his senses. He called out his first medic’s name, and got an answer. He called out the second man’s name. Silence. “We lost one man,” he thought.
***The grandmother had crawled out of the ambulance after the first missile strike, but the medics didn’t realize that. There was no way the adults could have survived, the medics decided.
So they grabbed the little boy and took shelter in a nearby basement.
Most of the houses on the street stood empty, abandoned by families who’d heeded Israeli evacuation orders and fled north. More bombings continued to puncture the night.**
Huddled in the darkness of the basement, they ran their hands over their own bodies, checking for injuries. The boy’s head, full of shrapnel, was bleeding badly. They used T-shirts to bandage his wounds.
Then they waited in the darkness. They managed to get through to the Red Cross station from their cellphones. An hour and a half dragged past.
Finally, Hillal and the other medics made it to the scene. “It was a disaster,” he said.
“The cars had exploded all over the place. There was one man so badly injured we didn’t know what to do for him.”
At first, the Red Cross had considered whether to stop making ambulance runs altogether, he said. Then the organization thought better of it and recommended that the teams only stop driving south. Hillal didn’t know what would happen. He only knew that the ground rules had been blasted away — the medics had been stripped of their sense of safety.
“When we were driving in the ambulance before, we did not feel we are safe 100%,” Chaalan said. “But now it’s direct on us.”
**On Monday, medics and the wounded family were all in the hospital. The grandmother lay on her side in a hospital bed, face turned to the sky outside her window.
“Give me something for the pain,” she groaned. “I’m going to vomit.” A son and grandson were unconscious in the intensive care unit. Her son, whose leg had been struck by the missile, lay under a tangle of tubes. The sheet reached just below the knee. His calf wasn’t there anymore.
Chaalan was bleeding from the ear, and stitches bound his chin and a leg. He needed a few more days to recover, but he insisted on going home.
He peeled off his bandages before stopping by to kiss his mother.
And then he was back at the Red Cross station, padding around in a Las Vegas T-shirt, insisting that he was ready to get back to work.
“I prefer to die when I’m helping people,” he said. “Not when I’m hiding.”***
Re: Hezbollah impressive in battle, Israeli soldiers say
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Read Balfour Declaration. Read “What Price Israel?” or any of Alfred M. Lilienthal’s many publications.
Bhartis made their own history.
But there is no parallel between history of Israel and that of the sub-continent -
Were there any jews allowed to settle in Palestine prior to late 19th century to early 20th century? NO! Don’t you think Israelis stole land then?
Pakistanis stole land? A muslim minority in a over whelming hindu majority would have lost its identity.
Jews had been comfortable in their dispora, they should considering it had been almost 2000 years since the destruction of their temple. -
Arabs are living their reality under the constant bombardment of rockets.
Bhartis constantly remind Kashmiris of their fate. -
read about “The massacre of Deir Yasin - 09.04.1948”
WHAT??? -
“Real” Terrorism will destroy Israel.
LAST LINE: INSHALLAH!!!
See my signature yet?
Re: Hezbollah impressive in battle, Israeli soldiers say
Read Balfour Declaration. Read "What Price Israel?" or any of Alfred M. Lilienthal's many publications. Bhartis made their own history. But there is no parallel between history of Israel and that of the sub-continent
Were there any jews allowed to settle in Palestine prior to late 19th century to early 20th century? NO! Don't you think Israelis stole land then? Pakistanis stole land? A muslim minority in a over whelming hindu majority would have lost its identity. Jews had been comfortable in their dispora, they should considering it had been almost 2000 years since the destruction of their temple.
Arabs are living their reality under the constant bombardment of rockets. Bhartis constantly remind Kashmiris of their fate.
read about "The massacre of Deir Yasin - 09.04.1948" WHAT??????
"Real" Terrorism will destroy Israel. LAST LINE: INSHALLAH!!!!!!!!!
See my signature yet?
Even more similarities between Arabs and Bharatis.
Arabs say British imposed Balfor declaration.
Bharatis say British imposed Mission planArabs say Jews showed up 200 years ago and took Arab land.
Bharatis say Muslims showed up 1000 years ago and took Bharati land.Arabs blame Jews for starting bloodshed in 1948.
Bharatis blame Pakistanis for starting bloodshed in 1947.
4.
Arabs are trying to destroy their tiny neighbor Israel.
Bharatis are trying to destroy their tiny neighbor Pakistan.
No wonder Bharatis and Arabs are so close to each other.
Bharatis and Arabs make up their own version of history,
Bharatis and Arabs both will suffer humiliation in the end.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
antiobl, stop dragging India in this issue.
NATO forces to secure Lebanon after Hizbullah
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/25/mideast.diplomacy/index.html
Do you think it is right to support international forces in Lebanon after Hizbullah’s Ouster. Won’t it turn Lebanon into second Iraq ???
Re: ~! Difference between the two groups fighting
They had the courtesy to acknowledge that a mistake had been made and they realized that…Apologies were offered which is a sign of a conscience…
IDF bombed a bus carrying school children killing five adults and 15 children as they left a UN compound under a white flag…No apologies offered…
Should you be impressed with either the Hizbullah or IDF?
You are an American, you should be impressed with IDF…
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
Its a good advice for the Israelies to pack up and leave...before facing another holocaust...
A wise would take that for sure... :)
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
OK this time who is going to be Hitler and his little Nazis?
Hizbis don't have brains to become true followers of white spermicidal supremacists and other sundry racists.
Re: ~! Difference between the two groups fighting
If they had a conscience they wouldn't be lobbing hundreds of unguided missles into civilian areas. It wasn't a mistake, it was inevitable. *The only reason they 'apologized' was because the children were Arab. *
You really are brainwahsed aren't you? Either that or you are attempting to brainwash the weak minded yourself.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
The Shame of Being an American
by Paul Craig Roberts
July 22, 2006
Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.
Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel’s attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don’t be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?
Of course, you don’t know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.
Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN “NO.” Bush has told the European Union “NO.” Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister “NO.” Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel’s rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.
Does it make you a Proud American that “your” president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?
On July 20, “your” House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of Israel’s massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every American complicit in war crimes, “your” House of Representatives, according to the Associated Press, also “condemns enemies of the Jewish state.”
Who are the “enemies of the Jewish state”?
They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state. They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been invaded by militant Zionist “settlers” under the protection of the Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli “settlers.”
The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called “terrorists.” When Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for Hamas. Hamas is the organization that has stood up to Israel. This means, of course, that Hamas is evil, anti-Semitic, un-American and terrorist. The US and Israel responded by cutting off all funds to the new government. Democracy is permitted only if it produces the results Bush and Israel want.
Israelis never practice terror. Only those who are in Israel’s way are terrorists.
Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a militia of Shi’ite Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of Israel’s atrocities was Hezbollah, which fought the Israeli Army, defeated it, and drove it out of Lebanon. Today Hezbollah not only defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as orphanages and medical care.
To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.
Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White House Moron doesn’t know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be “cakewalks” like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.
If you are still a Proud American, consider that your pride is doing nothing good for Israel or for America.
On July 20 when “your” House of Representatives, following “your” US Senate, passed the resolution in support of Israel’s war crimes, the most powerful lobby in Washington, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), quickly got out a press release proclaiming “The American people overwhelming support Israel’s war on terrorism and understand that we must stand by our closest ally in this time of crisis.”
The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government. The truth is that the American people do not support Israel’s war crimes, as the CNN quick poll results make clear and as was made clear by callers into C-Span.
Despite the Israeli spin on news provided by US “reporting,” a majority of Americans do not approve of Israeli atrocities against Lebanese civilians. Hezbollah is located in southern Lebanon. If Israel is targeting Hezbollah, why are Israeli bombs falling on northern Lebanon? Why are they falling on Beirut? Why are they falling on civilian airports? On schools and hospitals?
Now we arrive at the main point. When the US Senate and House of Representatives pass resolutions in support of Israeli war crimes and condemn those who resist Israeli aggression, the Senate and House confirm Osama bin Laden’s propaganda that America stands with Israel against the Arab and Muslim world.
Indeed, Israel, which has one of the world’s largest per capita incomes, is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. Many believe that much of this “aid” comes back to AIPAC, which uses it to elect “our” representatives in Congress.
This perception is no favor to Israel, whose population is declining, as the smart ones have seen the writing on the wall and have been leaving. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel’s actions and inhumane policies.
The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a refugee.
This has been the hope of the Arab world. This is the reason our puppets have not been overthrown. This hope is the reason America still had some prestige in the Arab world.
The House of Representatives resolution, bought and paid for by AIPAC money, is the final nail in the coffin of American prestige in the Middle East. It shows that America is, indeed, Israel’s puppet, just as Osama bin Laden says, and as a majority of Muslims believe.
With hope and diplomacy dead, henceforth America and Israel have only tooth and claw. The vaunted Israeli army could not defeat a rag tag militia in southern Lebanon. The vaunted US military cannot defeat a rag tag, lightly armed insurgency drawn from a minority of the population in Iraq, insurgents, moreover, who are mainly engaged in civil war against the Shi’ite majority.
What will the US and its puppet master do? Both are too full of hubris and paranoia to admit their terrible mistakes. Israel and the US will either destroy from the air the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Iran so that civilized life becomes impossible for Muslims, or the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons to intimidate Muslims into acquiescence to Israel’s desires.
Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration. Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in neocon thinking WW III was the Cold War) to overthrow Islam in the Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a formalized, secular ritual.
Rumsfeld’s neocon Pentagon has drafted new US war doctrine that permits pre-emptive nuclear attack on non-nuclear states.
Neocon David Horowitz says that by slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, “Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world,” thus equating war criminals with civilized men.
Neocon Larry Kudlow says that “Israel is doing the Lord’s work” by murdering Lebanese, a claim that should give pause to Israel’s Christian evangelical supporters. Where does the Lord Jesus say, “go forth and murder your neighbors so that you may steal their lands”?
The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn America for all time in history.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
Never heard of him
so that means don’t care what he has to say
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
so that means don't care what he has to say
so you just discard views of anyone you don't know without actually reading/listening the arguments? I guess thats why "br@nding" is so important in US.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
if there is someone with experience like seymour hersh, robert fisk, etc....
then i know those people have experience and have written this article with all the expericene behind them
The Rome Meet Fails...
Today...the meeting of various diplomats in Rome has failed to reach any agreement to achieve a ceasefire status in Lebanon...
Though they agreed to relief support etc...
Re: The Rome Meet Fails...
^^ truly sad.
Now there will be more death and destruction especially in Lebanon.
A year from now, Arab lackeys will moan and groan that Israel should go back to 2006 borders.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
^^ Or the departure of Jews + US from the mideast...howzaaaaat...
A tribute to ALL the Civilian Victims in Lebanon!
whatever has happend in Lebanon is hard to put in words
but i pray! May god give you all strength to move on and
may god will have merci on soles of those innocent people who
martyred for a cause (amin)
from,
Sheraz Ali
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel (merged threads)
Choohay Ko Cheese kay Khuaab (Little mouse dreams for scraps of cheese).
Oh ZabarPesh bhai, Arabs have been dreaming about killing and destroying Jews for the last 100 years. In the process however they have lost more territory over the years. Isn't it time to accept the reality and live peacefully with the Jewish neighbors?
p.s. I changed the famous Urdu proverb "Billi Ko Cheechron kay Khuaab" Cat dreams of scraps of meat.
Re: A tribute to ALL the Civilian Victims in Lebanon!
hmmm, sounds like Prince Abbas re-incarnated