Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel
I think most likely, he will be rejected, with most government appointed clerics. He just has to do his master's bidding. As the article above states, Egyptians are fully in line with Hezbollah.
Also you will remember how King Abdullah of Jordan tried to create another sectarian divide with the whole "Shi'a crescent" speech.
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah’s side against Zionist Invasion
Listen to yourself…That is precisely what Nazi logic was…Kill all the Jews and worl peace will prevail…He tried to exterminate the Jews, tried to impose his version of what is best for others and more than 50 million human beings died…
This is also precisely the mentality of Stalin and Pol Pot and British East India Company and the other empires…
And in all cases, great speeches and case was made for every extermination of human beings…
Are you really so smitten by propaganda that you have learned nothing from history? These ignorant Americans are repeating the same mistake and they are headed for their own destruction…They can only hold off long enough to try and stem their decline by forsce, but it’s only a matter of time…
And there won’t be a single person on the planet who will give a glass of water to an American dying of thirst…They will remember what it did in the past…
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
The problem with all of these hypotheticals is that it starts with a point in time and a point of view.
I could write you a good Israelis one too. Imagine you lived in a neighborhood where you were vastly outnumbered and surrounded by neighbors who have attacked you three times with overwhelming firepower, and have sworn every member of their houses to the complete and total destruction of your family, pushing all of your family into the sea and seizing your home and living in it.
The real point is that over the next few weeks the Arab/Leftist/Muslim propaganda machine will crank up, and we will be seeing lots of heart wrenching pieces, poetry, email floods, petitions, blah blah blah.
Both the Jews and Hezbullah wanted this conflict. Hezbullah has been arming for this day for years. They don't give a crap about the destruction of Lebanon, or Lebanese deaths. They are ideologues, and their hatred for the Jews is stronger than their affection for the people who will be harmed. I say let them fight it out once and for all. Neither Hezbullah nor Israel is calling for a cease fire.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel
these pictures are horrific! lanat on all that are responsible for bringing this upon innocent civilians.
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
This is also precisely the mentality of Stalin and Pol Pot and British East India Company and the other empires...
And in all cases, great speeches and case was made for every extermination of human beings...
Are you really so smitten by propaganda that you have learned nothing from history? These ignorant Americans are repeating the same mistake and they are headed for their own destruction...They can only hold off long enough to try and stem their decline by forsce, but it's only a matter of time...
And there won't be a single person on the planet who will give a glass of water to an American dying of thirst...They will remember what it did in the past...
Aren't you the one Living in America making American dollars and then coming to this forum and bashing Americans.
at least i don't Sh!it in the same plate i eat in. if you are so sure about jihadi's prevailing why haven't you joined the jihad yet. After all that is the right way to die according to you and few others on this board. isn't it? Why not get on a plane and go to Lebanon, i got enough point on my gold card to get you and few others a free one way ticket there.
I've seen war first hand. i can tell you this much, sitting on a forum and making statements as we are doing right now is easy? emotions take the best of you when your comrade dies sitting next to you. or you have to kill civilians because thats the only way for you to get at the enemy.
And since you are so preaching, why not go and die for your brethren. This will be an easy way for you to meet your God. and as a martyr you will live in jannah forever.
Let me know if you want the ticket, I'll gladly send you one.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel
Ohioguy:
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Mercenary2k and Ohioguy:* Suppose, if someone (tormentor) enters you house, kill your dad and brothers, humiliate your mother and sisters, kick and humiliate you and then throw the left over from your family in the garden shed of your house and tell you that to stay there as slave while tormentor start living in the house as master. *
The problem with all of these hypotheticals is that it starts with a point in time and a point of view.
I could write you a good Israelis one too.
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No, you cannot because your story would be lies and it is not days when you can fool the world.
You cannot make any story based on truth because These Israeli does not belong to that area neither they are legally migrant to that area. They are basta*rds from Europe who went to Palestine and with the help of European powers, forced Palestinians out of their homeland.
Jews always got persecuted in Europe by Christians becasue of their treacherous nature and religious differences. Hitler hated these parasites with reasons. Hitler wrote in his book that ‘Jews are not human but parasite leaches that sucks nation they settle’. Jews of Germany lived and worked in Germany for centuries but betrayed Germany in 1914-1918 war, as they are doing all they can to make USA devil of the world. For their own selfish interest (or for a pound of flesh), they would betray USA any day.
Anyhow, whatever story I wrote above, was not based on assumptions but was based on truth: No person with knowledge and intelligence could deny that:
Question: Are these Jews belongs to the Palestine?
Answer: No, they are not, most of whom are from Europe. They always betrayed where ever they lived in Europe. German Jews did whatever to make Germany lose the war 1914-1918 so that Germany opponent power (especially British) would give them a place in Palestine.
[Actually, realising their hold on German military industry, they offered to help Turkey for a place in Palestine and Turkey denied them so they sold their own homeland (Germany) to enemy of Germany, a country that gave them respect and shelter for years. Just wait for the day USA would demands sacrifice from Jews and would find same treatment from Jews to USA too as they gave to Germany]
Their concocted stories from Bible made them believe that they belong to Palestine, even though there is no reason to believe that European Jews belong to Palestine. Actually, there is no reason to take Bible as evidence for anything anyhow. Even if Bible is evidence, it is obvious that those Palestinians (other then Palestinians who are in reality converted Jews) are real resident of Palestine as Ibrahim (AS) migrated to that area. Ibrahim (AS) did not belong to that area. On the other hand, most of these bastar*d Jews that forced their way into Palestine are Ashkenazi Jews (whose origin is Eastern Europe and they converted to Jews, whom even Jews do not consider as true Jews as Jews is not religion but blood relative, family).
Nevertheless, even if some of them European Jews are same as those that left Palestine long time ago, still they were not forced to leave and thus have no right to return other then peacefully and only with the consent of people living in Palestine. Most Palestinian are anyhow those Jews who converted to Islam.
Question: How these Ashkenazi Jews came to Palestine?
Answer: They forced their way into Palestine throwing the rightful people living their and occupying their homes with force and with help of their Western Masters who were paying them for betraying Germany. It was that betrayal that made Hitler punished them and still they have not learn, still following same treacherous ways and one day they would get punished again (InshaAllah), worse then what happened to them in Germany.
Do you know what? One day, when people of USA would realize, these jews would get similar punishment rather worse punishment in USA what happened to them in Germany.
They did not migrate to Palestine but forced their way there, because migration happens with the consent of the people or government representing the people in that area but it did not happen as that area was under occupation (British or Jews) when they moved there.
Question: What happened/happening to Palestinians (original inhabitants of Palestine (that includes present day Israel)?
Answer: Palestinians are forced by Jews to live in a part of Palestine and even there without any rights as they are living under occupation. Thus, while Palestinians are living under occupation in one part of Palestine (in garden shed), their houses is occupied by these invaders (Jew tormentors). Palestinians are the only people in the world officially living under occupation without any human rights. All this happening because their tormentor (Jews) are tormenting them with the help of USA, that supports their torments.
** [Here true face of USA gets clear.** *USA lies that they believe on freedom, human rights, justice, democracy, and truth. Their actions speak louder then their claims. They only believe and supports lies, atrocities, slavery, suppressing human rights, injustice, terrorism, use of force without dialogue, language of might, suppression of people, killing and murdering innocents, well all what devil love them to do. *
Most of world atrocities, suffering, injustice, and human right violations are happening in Palestine and many other places, is with consent and financial/military help of USA]
Question: What is the status of Palestinians?
Answer: Palestinians are slave in their own country. They cannot move from one part to another, they cannot make any policy for themselves neither they can defend themselves against any Jews aggressions against them. They are living in an area that has no border where they can consider themselves safe. Their whole life is life of slavery, where misery, torment, injustice, getting killed or murdered by Jews, etc is part of that life.
If they elect anyone (for their slave union), their tormentor has to approve that and regardless, the member of that slave union (so called Palestinian government) of Palestinian slaves has not even right equal to member of workers union anywhere in the world.
Whenever their occupying tormentor (Jews) wants to, they can rape, kill, kick or murder, or do whatever they like with their slaves (Palestinians).
If these unfortunate Palestinians raise their voice, complain or want to resist their tormentor (Jews) with the help of their supporters (USA), calls them terrorists. Life of Palestinian babies, infants, kids, juveniles, teenagers, young, middle aged or old is worth for their tormentor (Jews) lower then cockroach whom they can do whatever they like (with full support, consent and help of USA).
USA** (this treacherous country) talks against slavery but condone the only slavery officially recognised anywhere in the world, that is of Palestine. USA ***talks about democracy and freedom and still condones Palestinian living under occupation.*
Well, what can I write, as world knows everything but they are too scared to say anything.
So, you can see that my story was not assumptions but truth.
As for you saying that you can write a story like that, do write but be true: You wrote:
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Imagine you lived in a neighborhood where you were vastly outnumbered and surrounded by neighbors who have attacked you three times with overwhelming firepower, and have sworn every member of their houses to the complete and total destruction of your family, pushing all of your family into the sea and seizing your home and living in it.
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Who live in neighbourhood? Jews/Israelis? You make me laugh. You should have said that ‘suppose you come from a far away place (Europe) in a peaceful area (Palestine) and then enter someone (Palestinian) house and using force, threw the occupants (Palestinians) out of the area ..... ’
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Outnumbered and surrounded by neighbour who attacked you three times with overwhelming firepowers?
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<< do you think that you are saying this to ignorant?
You should have written that: ..... ‘These treacherous invaders (Jews) from Europe came to this new place called Palestine where they were surrounded by peaceful people living there. When Jew came, it was with the help of British who was in occupation of Palestine and wanted to reward Jews for betraying Germany (who lost the war 1914-1918, because of betrayal of German Jews).
British gave Jews arms and ammunition and helped them to throw Palestinians out of their home by force. When those unarmed Palestinians living in Palestine resisted with the help of their neighbours, Jews with the help of all modern arms of that time started genocide in big way.
They easily overcame these outdated armed Palestinians and their Arab helpers, capturing more and more land and making more and more Palestinians homeless. Later USA started helping Jews because treacherously Jews have occupied and now controls banks, media, most corporate businesses, and finances of ordinary American citizens and both political parties of USA (Democrats and Republicans)'.
You wrote:
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and have sworn every member of their houses to the complete and total destruction of your family, pushing all of your family into the sea and seizing your home and living in it
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Sworn of what?
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Complete destruction of Jews and pushing them into sea, seizing their home and living in it?
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<< Are you an idiot? With USA behind the Jews, who can push them to sea (even though, thats where they rightfully belong)?
As for seizing their home, what home? The home these Jews are living do not belong to them anyhow, these homes are old homes of Palestinians occupied by Jews or homes that are constructed on occupied Palestinians land, so seizing what? Still, as long as USA is behind them, their home are safe, even though these homes belong to others and they occupied them.
Well Mr Ohioguy: Be realistic. But how can anyone expect you to be realistic? You are terrorist yourself (supporter of terrorist state of Israeli), Zionist, or brain washed American living under Jews virtual occupation or propaganda machine of Jews doing your paid duty.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel
Dear Mr.Saleem
Very Nice Story about Palestine.
But your basic premise is wrong.
Israel has every right to exist and its not some alien power which has settled inside Palestine.
As for murdering brothers and sisters.
Perhaps those family members shouldn't harbor terrorists in their midst who go and attack Israeli civilians.
Your entire premise is a joke.
Come back to reality and then maybe I will debate with you.
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mercenary2k:
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Dear Mr.Saleem
Very Nice Story about Palestine.
But your basic premise is wrong.
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Is it just because you say so?
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Israel has every right to exist and its not some alien power which has settled inside Palestine.
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No, Israel is not alien power, it is Ashke*nazi* Zionist terrorist, and it has no right to exists by occupying another people land and creating a country by force.
Since their existence, they have created nothing but enemy. Those whose lands they have occupied and whom they humiliated, whose family members and friends they have murdered, would never forgive them. When Israeli time would come, they would find no sympathiser and would be treated same way they treated others. InshaAllah. So, don’t worry. Time does not stay same forever.
Actually, crimes of Israelis are accumulating and when they would get similar treatment, rather worse, they should not be able to complain other then blame themselves.
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As for murdering brothers and sisters.
Perhaps those family members shouldn't harbor terrorists in their midst who go and attack Israeli civilians.
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** Well, these people (Palestinians and other Arabs) are not terrorists but freedom fighters, fighting for their independence. If USSR captures USA and Americans living their fight for independence and attack USSR occupying force in USA, would you call those American terrorists? Would you like American families to throw these freedom fighters on the road? If USSR kills these freedom fighters and punish American innocent women and children, would you call that fair?**
Regardless, no Israeli Jews that moved to Israel after 1914-1918 war are civilians as all of them are terrorists and would stay terrorist even if they stay there for next 100 years. If they had come as they did and still would have lived in Palestine peacefully, there would have been chance. Unfortunately, what these terrorists did was genocide of Palestinians.
Actually, Hitler treated Jews better then these terrorist Jews treats Palestinians. Hitler also has reasons as Jews betrayed Germany and were thus traitors. As for Palestinians, they did not harmed Jews and still got suffering from them bast*rds.
** Hitler killed few Jews but these terrorists Israeli Jews killed Palestinians, occupied their homes and thrown them out, humiliated them and in the end made them all slave. Hitler atrocities lasted few years but Jews atrocities is a going on affair, since the time these bast*rd terrorist Jews started moving to Palestine.**
Probably, that is the reason those fighting for their freedom (Palestine and other Arabs) consider them Israeli terrorist citizen as fair target. Personally, I believe that Palestinians freedom fighters should not harm children and innocents but then I believe that freedom fighters might not be doing that intentionally, but these children and innocent become collateral damage.
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Your entire premise is a joke.
Come back to reality and then maybe I will debate with you
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I am not surprised that according to you my premise of argument is joke, because you have nothing that you could debate anyhow. I believe that you are either a brainwashed joker or doing propaganda on behalf of your terrorist master. It is obvious because none of your argument on this forum make any sense other then to spread propaganda and calling spade a heart.
Just imagine, on TV a terrorist Israeli spokesperson was saying that Israeli bombing of Lebanon is according to the wishes of Lebanese as Israel is going to save them from Hezbollah. Now, only an idiot would buy that argument of terrorist spokesperson, that destroying all infrastructure of Lebanon and killing indiscriminately citizen of Lebanon from all section of society, is a welcome event by Lebanese. Either, that terrorist spokesperson is a complete idiot or thinks that all who would hear him are idiots.
Same can be said about you and your arguments. We all can tell that you are following instructions from your paymaster as that terrorist Israeli spokesperson was doing. Your paymaster wants you to behave like an idiot or wants you to believe that all around you are idiots. Only target of your paymaster are ignorant but now a days, people are getting more and more aware.
Re: All things Hezbollah vs Israel
Very Nice Story about Palestine.
But your basic premise is wrong.
Israel has every right to exist and its not some alien power which has settled inside Palestine.
As for murdering brothers and sisters.
Perhaps those family members shouldn't harbor terrorists in their midst who go and attack Israeli civilians.
Your entire premise is a joke.
Come back to reality and then maybe I will debate with you.
hHAHAH, and u have on field reports of who harbours who right.
Get a life, you know you're just lost.
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
at least i don't Sh!it in the same plate i eat in. if you are so sure about jihadi's prevailing why haven't you joined the jihad yet. After all that is the right way to die according to you and few other matoo's on this board. isn't it? Why not get on a plane and go to Lebanon, i got enough point on my gold card to get you and few others a free one way ticket there.
I've seen war first hand. i can tell you this much, sitting on a forum and making statements as we are doing right now is easy? emotions take the best of you when your comrade dies sitting next to you. or you have to kill civilians because thats the only way for you to get at the enemy.
And since you are so preaching, why not go and die for your brethren. This will be an easy way for you to meet your God. and as a martyr you will live in jannah forever.
Let me know if you want the ticket, I'll gladly send you one.
Typical response to cover up genocide in the world.
For someone who thinks "organized" religions should "rewrite" their books, yet can sit back and easily accept the genocide in lebanon...u my friend, are one weird breed.
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
For someone who thinks "organized" religions should "rewrite" their books, yet can sit back and easily accept the genocide in lebanon...u my friend, are one weird breed.
i dont think the deaths of 300 people constitutes a genocide
oh right, if a jew kills one muslim its considered a genocide
but if a muslim kills his fellow muslims then its nothing just like in Iraq where sectarian and insurgent violence has killed more than 100,000 Iraqis
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^ I don't know what whacked out religion you're from, death of ONE innocent person in islam is the annhilation of humanity.
Thats what ISlam is about.
So whatever religion it is, that has set a standard number for you to consider it a "genocide", *I'm *sorry i can't follow that.
This is a genocide.
Fellow muslim killing muslim?
Are you online from Iraq? No? Ok thanks :)
'Cuz for a second i thought you were live on the scene.
Sorry to keep you from watching CNN. You can go back now.
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Thats what ISlam is about.
Is that so?
So you condemn Israeli deaths as well?
Dont give false labels to things which dont deserve it. The death of 300 people is not genocide. The holocaust, thats genocide, the massacare of armenians by the turks in 1915, thats genocide. Whats happeneing in Darfur, that genocide. What happeend in Rwanda and Bosnia, thats genocide.
The deaths of 300 people, sad as it maybe, its not Genocide.
Genocide implies intent to kill off another ethnic group.
Since Israel certainly has the capability to carry out such an action, it hasnt done so and furthermore to lessen civilian casualties it drops flyers alerting people to flee from those areas where Hezbollah is entrenched.
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Is that so?
So you condemn Israeli deaths as well?
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Innocent deaths, yes. Wether they be muslim, hindu, jew, christian.
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Dont give false labels to things which dont deserve it. The death of 300 people is not genocide. The holocaust, thats genocide, the massacare of armenians by the turks in 1915, thats genocide. Whats happeneing in Darfur, that genocide. What happeend in Rwanda and Bosnia, thats genocide.
The deaths of 300 people, sad as it maybe, its not Genocide.
Genocide implies intent to kill off another ethnic group.
Since Israel certainly has the capability to carry out such an action, it hasnt done so and furthermore to lessen civilian casualties it drops flyers alerting people to flee from those areas where Hezbollah is entrenched.
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Um, again. ONE innocent life, is enuff for me to label it a genocide. A crime against humanity.
300 may be insignificant to you, I don't care. But to me as a human, and as a muslim, its ALOT.
This is not including the deaths in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa etc.
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So the Israeli civilians that have died in Hezbollah rocket attacks.
You condemn those?
Crime against Humanity maybe, but a genocide no.
Genocide means an extermination of an ethnic group. The lebanese are not being extermianted so the label is false and is only done to overly dramitize the plight of the Lebanese.
I never downplayed the deaths of 300 lebanese. I just stated for you to call it a genocide is not correct. The term needs to be applied correctly so thata any death cant be categorized as a genocide.
What deaths in Pakistan are you talking about?
And you forgot to mention the genocide in Kashmir, Gujrat, and Chechenya.
Those are genocides.
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WHY WHY WHY … oh my God
I have no words to share…im utterly speechless
Allah unhe sabr dein…grant them peace and let them see light of embracement.
I almost threw up after seeng those picutres…it’s nothing more than shame…a shame for all of humanity to sit here and witness this unjustice unfold
the pictures are very disturbing and i think the war has just begun…kaheen DAJAAL kai annai ka time tou nahi aa gaiya:hmmm:
PS:How can we be oblivious to the killing of innocent civilians. Martin Luther King once said “Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere”. He also said “The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people”.
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did u by any chance all see pictures of palestinians pretending to be suicide bombers?
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
For someone who thinks "organized" religions should "rewrite" their books, yet can sit back and easily accept the genocide in lebanon...u my friend, are one weird breed.
thank you for your input,
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
at least i don't Sh!it in the same plate i eat in. if you are so sure about jihadi's prevailing why haven't you joined the jihad yet. After all that is the right way to die according to you and few other matoo's on this board. isn't it? Why not get on a plane and go to Lebanon, i got enough point on my gold card to get you and few others a free one way ticket there.
I've seen war first hand. i can tell you this much, sitting on a forum and making statements as we are doing right now is easy? emotions take the best of you when your comrade dies sitting next to you. or you have to kill civilians because thats the only way for you to get at the enemy.
And since you are so preaching, why not go and die for your brethren. This will be an easy way for you to meet your God. and as a martyr you will live in jannah forever.
Let me know if you want the ticket, I'll gladly send you one.
If you live in the west does not mean that you give up your opinions and start supporting any actions by the Zionists. It does not make us any lessor citizens, to question our governments support for Zionists.
We can fight Zionists any which way we chose....fighting them here in the west is just as important as in Lebanon...there many ways to fight and each person should fight according to their own ability and means.
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And you forgot to mention East Pakistan. I wonder why?