Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
After this is over, the Siniora Government might actually have a chance to be a real government over all the country, instead of a hostage to a warlord and a militia. Sort of hard for him to admit that in public however....
Patience.
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Patience.
ah, I see, this is another Operation Freedom in disguise.
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Patience.
Probably not. A REAL government in Lebanon would actually represent all of the people in Lebanon, not just a few Sunnis and Christians, like it is now. The Lebanese government deserves to be a hostage of the people of Lebanon, who overwhelmingly support Hezbollah now.
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Arabs rally behind Hezbollah
By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer Fri Jul 21, 4:32 AM ET
The fighting between Israel and Hezbollah exposed divisions across the Arab world, not only between Shiites and Sunnis but also between Arab governments and their citizens.
Key Arab allies of the United States, predominantly Sunni countries such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt, fear the rising power of Shiites in the region: Hezbollah militants who virtually control southern Lebanon, Iraq's majority Shiite government, and — most worrisome — the Shiite theocracy that has run Iran for decades.
Yet many ordinary people, Sunnis as well as Shiites, are cheering the Lebanese guerrillas because of their willingness to stand up to Israel.
Sitting in the shade as he sold figs in downtown Cairo, Hasan Salem Hasan, a 25-year-old Sunni, summed up a prevailing attitude of the so-called Arab street: "Although Hezbollah is a Shiite party, we are all Muslims, and all Arabs will defiantly support them and fight the Jews."
On the one hand, predominantly Sunni Arab states are tacitly encouraging the destruction of Hezbollah, concerned it could stage attacks and create militant cells outside of Lebanon. There is also fear that militant Sunnis could join with Hezbollah — as the Palestinian militant group Hamas has done — to build a super terrorist network.
"Whenever there is a paramount cause which can bring them together, such as a jihad against the Zionists, they will be united," Gamal Sultan, editor of the Cairo-based Islamic monthly Al Mannar Al Jadid, said of the Sunni and Shiite militants.
Yet on the other hand, Arab governments also fear their own populations will turn on them if they look weak and unable to challenge Israeli aggression against a fellow Arab state.
Saudi Arabia — the bulwark of the Sunni Arab world — has tried to balance both concerns, criticizing Iran and Hezbollah for provoking Israel but also condemning the Jewish state. Israel started bombing south Lebanon, Hezbollah's base, after the guerrillas kidnapped two Israeli soldiers July 12.
The Saudi foreign minister, Saudi Al Faisal, on Tuesday blasted what he called "non-Arab intervention in the Arab world" — a clear reference to Iran, Hezbollah's main backer along with Syria.
Saudi media were even more outspoken.
"We are facing a fierce Iranian offensive against the region. We see that clearly in Iraq where Iran is becoming the major player and in Lebanon through its agent, Hezbollah," columnist Mishari Al Thaydi wrote in the Saudi-owned London-based Asharq Al Awsat newspaper.
Yet on Thursday, Saudi Crown Prince Sultan Bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud lashed out at Israel for its punishing airstrikes.
"We cannot tolerate Israel's playing with the lives of citizens, civilians, women, the elderly and children," he said after meeting with French President Jacques Chirac in Paris.
Other Sunni Arab leaders fear that growing Shiite power in Lebanon and Iraq will awaken Shiite minorities at home.
In April, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak angered Shiite leaders by saying Shiites across the Middle East were more loyal to Iran than to their own countries.
Former Jordanian information minister Saleh al-Qalab has described Hezbollah as an Iranian "land mine" in the Arab world. And Jordan's King Abdullah II warned of a Shiite crescent forming in the region.
Some blame Washington's Middle East policies for upsetting the region's sectarian balance.
"The whole problem started with the American invasion of Iraq with the cooperation of Shiites," said Mamdouh Ismail, an Islamic activist and lawyer who defends Muslim militants in Egyptian courts. "This will certainly resonate throughout the whole region, in the Gulf ... in Saudi Arabia," he added.
Yet events in Lebanon have further mobilized the Shiites across the Muslim world and, if Hezbollah survives the current Israeli onslaught, the sect stands to become even stronger.
In Iraq, the Hezbollah-Israel conflict has proved a rallying point for Sunnis and Shiites otherwise riven by sectarian violence.
On Thursday, Iraqis staged an anti-Israel protest with banners reading "Shiites and Sunnis unite" in the city of Samarra, where the bombing of a Shiite shrine in February brought the country to the brink of civil war.
Earlier this week, about 4,000 Iraqis answered the call of Shiite clerics to rally in the holy city of Karbala in protest of Israeli attacks, raising Iraqi and Lebanese flags.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki — a Shiite — also condemned the Israeli destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure. "I call on the Arab League foreign ministers meeting in Cairo to take quick action to stop these aggressions. We call on the world to take quick stands to stop the Israeli aggression," he said.
On Tuesday, thousands of Shiites demonstrated in the Gulf kingdom of Bahrain in support of Hezbollah, two days after some 300 prominent Saudi Shiites wrote to the Bahraini government urging support to the Lebanese Shiite group.
Both moves were seen as an assertion of increasing Shiite solidarity across the Arab world.
Adding to the Shiite power base, the sect's faithful share a coherent religious view. Since splitting from their Sunni brethren in the 7th century over who should replace the Prophet Muhammad as Muslim ruler, they have developed distinct concepts of Islamic law and practices.
They also dominate by sheer number: Shiites account for some 160 million of the Islamic world's population of 1.3 billion people. Shiites account about 90 percent of Iran's population, more than 60 percent of Iraq's, and some 50 percent of the people living in the arc of territory from Lebanon to India.
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah’s side against Zionist Invasion
Then why would his government declare it will use the national army to fight against a campaign to eliminate that militia?
There have been no contradictions of the defence minister’s statement by Mr. Siniora.
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Yeah...and get all the 10,000 prisoners released for good and keep the offensive...
Israel is a fake coutry made up of immigrants and the immigrants must leave now the arab land...pretty clear haaan... :)
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Funny to see that people still believe that Gov't are run on emotions and ethics. World politics is v.darty and it doesnt follow any rules (unless it has too). There are some associations - but in the end - every gov't do what is best for them.
We Muslims have NEVER (since the death of Mohammad SA) been able to get along with each other. Why would we change now? and under whose authority?
Is it possible: Yes, is it probable: NO!
Re: Lebanese Army to fight at Hezbollah's side against Zionist Invasion
There have been no contradictions of the defence minister's statement by Mr. Siniora.
Ever known politicians to say one thing and do another? Lebanese nationalism may lead him to say such things, but the Lebanese army would be sitting ducks for air power and they know it. After Hezbullah is battered for another month, let's see what is publicly proclaimed eh?
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you wont understand OG. Sitting ducks or not, when it comes to defending your country, it doesnt matter what the odds are, one goes out and fight. Remember Eyerack?
HaaN what you said holds true for an army of south americans+black yet to be americans.
All things Hezbollah vs Israel
This article was forwarded to me by one of my Pakistani friends. It is by Ayaz Amir. It really highlights all the events in perspective and shows that ANYTHING the terrorist states of US and Israel will do, true Muslims, all of them, will fight and resist for their rights, dignity and pride.
“You are fighting a people who have faith such as no one else on the face of the earth possesses... who take pride in their history, their civilisation and culture, who also possess material power, expertise, knowledge, calm, imagination, determination and courage. In the coming days it will be between us and you, God willing.” — **Sheikh Hasan Nasrallah, Secretary General Hezbollah*
*WORDS such as these haven’t been heard across the Middle East for a long time. They signify the birth of a new resolve — not to suffer wrong passively, as the Arabs and Muslims have been accustomed to do for a long time, but to stand up against the oppressor and defeat him.
American and Israeli frustration is easy to understand. They have been used to dealing with puppets and tinpot figures — sonorous phrases on their lips, fear and timidity in their hearts. Now in Gaza and Lebanon they are encountering a new breed of fighters, fearless and resolute.
And so they are doing what comes most readily to them: pinning blame on Syria and Iran, plying the airwaves with the most outrageous falsehoods (helped in this most loyally by CNN and even more by BBC) and refusing to see that the attacks on Gaza and Beirut far from destroying Hamas and Hezbollah are adding more fuel to the fires of resistance.
After so much death and destruction in Gaza, support for Hamas should have crumbled. It has had just the opposite effect, Palestinians rallying round Hamas’s flag. After days and nights of relentless bombing of Lebanese cities, the people of Lebanon should have turned against Hezbollah. They haven’t. Hasan Nasrallah is a hero because Hezbollah — in Robert Fisk’s words “one of the toughest guerrilla armies in the world” — has the courage and strength to stand up to Israel.
But the contrast couldn’t be more striking: on one side Hamas and Hezbollah, and their fierce determination, the willingness to take on the most fearsome odds; and on the other, the pathetic spectacle of Arab and Muslim impotence.
Far from wanting to do anything for the Palestinian and Lebanese resistance, the kings and autocrats of the Muslim world are angry at Hezbollah for exposing their (the autocrats’) helplessness. Kings of Jordan, presidents of Egypt made their peace with Israel long ago. They are champions now of the American cause with no stomach for confronting Israel or annoying the US. How can they be comfortable with the idea of resistance? According to Ori Nir in The Forward, a Jewish newspaper appearing from New York, “In a particularly unusual move, one top Jewish communal leader, Anti-Defamation League National Director Abraham Foxman, visited the Saudi ambassador in Washington, Prince Turki al-Faisal, to thank him for his country’s condemnation of Hezbollah for igniting the crisis by launching a cross-border raid against Israel and abducting two of its soldiers.”
From the same write-up: “Jewish groups said that they were quite happy with the response of several Arab countries, namely Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan.”
To this picture of collective impotence here’s Hasan Nasrullah’s answer: “As to the Arab rulers, I don’t want to ask you about your history. I just want to say a few words. We are adventurers... But we have been adventurers since 1982. And we have brought to our country only victory, freedom, liberation, dignity, honour, and pride... In the year 1982 you said... we were crazy. But we proved that we were the rational ones, so who then was crazy? ...So I tell them simply: go bet on your reason and we will bet on our adventure, with God as our Supporter and Benefactor. We have never for one day counted on you. We have trusted in God, our people, our hearts, our hands, and our children. Today we do the same, and God willing, victory will follow.”
How can the cardboard figures presiding over the destinies of the world of Islam warm to such uncomfortable words?
Spare a thought also for the powerful republic of Pakistan with its 600,000 man army, nuclear arsenal and long-flying missiles. The hearts of the Pakistani people may beat with that of their brethren-in-faith in Gaza and Lebanon but from their government hardly a squeak has come out, its muted commentaries on the Lebanese situation couched in the softest possible terms.
But then what is to be expected from a dispensation whose foreign minister was happy to cavort with his Israeli counterpart in Istanbul last year and whose president applauded Israel’s ‘withdrawal’ from Gaza? (A picture in the papers the other day showed the US ambassador sitting amidst Pakistan army and police officers at a ceremony to ‘honour’ anti-narcotics personnel. The US ambassador showing all the condescension that one shows to a well-trained poodle, this while Israeli bombs, actually American bombs, were raining down on Lebanon. It won’t be any time soon before we come to realise what looks right and what doesn’t.)
Hezbollah is the only force in the Muslim world which can claim victory over Israel, forcing Israel to retreat from southern Lebanon in 2000. Even now while Israel commands the skies of Lebanon and blockades its waters (although even there Hezbollah has scored a triumph by hitting and crippling a sophisticated Israeli helicopter-carrying warship), on the ground Hezbollah is proving more than a match for the Israeli army.
Israel has everything in the US armoury, making its military one of the most effective in the world. It certainly has an edge over all Arab armies combined. But it is not finding it easy to fight Hezbollah in south Lebanon.
What is Israel hoping to achieve? It can kill as many innocent civilians as it wants — and already more than 200 have been killed as a result of indiscriminate bombing — but defeating Hezbollah, a phantom army which has the ability to strike but is not easy to find (classic guerrilla tactics), is another matter. If war is a continuation of politics by other means, it is hard to figure out what the politics are in this case.
Just as the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has, unwittingly, served Iranian interests — by removing from the scene Iran’s sworn enemy, Saddam, and allowing Iranian influence to grow in Iraq — the Israeli assault on Lebanon far from doing Israel any good is undermining the position of Lebanon’s anti-Syrian government and immeasurably adding to the stature of Hasan Nasrullah, not only in Lebanon but across the Muslim world.
As an Associated Press report puts it: “After fierce fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, posters of the bespectacled Nasrallah in his black turban have sprung up throughout the Gaza Strip. Demonstrators carry Hezbollah flags and chant slogans in his support. In the West Bank, Palestinians tune into Hezbollah’s Al Manar television station to hear Nasrallah speeches and follow the group’s progress in its war against Israel.”
Hamas is mainly Sunni, Hezbollah largely Shia. Support for Hezbollah transcends this sectarian divide.
There is no shortage of despised figures in the world of Islam for whom the Muslim masses (not the elites) have nothing but contempt. But something new is emerging, a galaxy of heroes of whom the masses can be proud: in Iraq the resistance which has humbled and made a mockery of American might, in Lebanon Hasan Nasrallah and glorious Hezbollah, in the Gaza Strip equally valiant Hamas, in Afghanistan a resurgent resistance and, whether anyone likes it or not, Sheikh Osama bin Laden.
The US had a splendid opportunity after Sept 11 to capture the moral heights had it conducted itself, for all its justified anger, with dignity and restraint. This would only have been possible if men of vision had been at the helm of affairs. To America’s misfortune a small-minded cabal was in charge which sought small-change advantage from that huge tragedy, thus turning monumental grief and anger into a shallow-minded policy of vindictiveness and retribution.
We have seen what has come of this course: Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, the folly of Iraq, and, as a direct consequence, an arc of defiance and resistance spreading all the way from the Gaza Strip and Lebanon to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Opportunity turned into a nightmare with the end nowhere in sight. As Byron said, “The thorns that I have reaped are of the tree I planted.”
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Mercenary2k and Ohioguy: Suppose, if someone (tormentor) enters you house, kill your dad and brothers, humiliate your mother and sisters, kick and humiliate you and then throw the left over from your family in the garden shed of your house and tell you that to stay there as slave while tormentor start living in the house as master.
Your position is such that you cannot even live freely in your own garden shed. Even to move in that garden shed you need permission, as you are slave. If this tormentor feels he come and humiliate you, your wife, sister and children and give you good beating just for the sake of it. Your tormentor even extends the house in the garden shed and literally wants you to leave the shed or die.
Further, if you raise your voice against your tormentor or ask for freedom from his slavery, he come with iron bar, kill some from your family, breaks up all what little you made in that backyard shed to survive and give good beating to the rest of you, stop water supply and food from you and call you terrorist.
This tormentor of your also have a daddy (habitual terrorist, a bigger basta*d and hypocrite with no character) who even though talk about human dignity and human freedom, loves your tormentor tormenting you and also condone slavery for you. This daddy helps your tormentor with material and sends his other sons to help your tormentor to torment you all the time, whenever your tormentor needs.
Now, what you will do to this tormentor and would think of his hypocrite daddy?
I asked you both because the way you both (and some others like you) write on this forum it seems that if you will have such tormentor, whenever he would come to kick you, you will ask him to enjoy himself with your wife, sisters and daughters and further, you would lay on your back and would ask him to screw you too. On the other hand, if anyone in your family would like to resist, you will get angry with them, would start fighting them and would tell them that not to resist but the best is to be fuc*ed.
Is this what you really are? Is this what your dad taught you. Is this your values. Is this what you teach your children? Is this your mission in this world to teach your thinking to get fuc*ed when dealing with a strong tormentor?
Well, in above story, tormentor is Israel, those tormentor is tormenting is Palestinian, Lebanese and other living around the region and daddy of tormentor is USA.
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huh
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Civilised West".. that was in a taunting way u duffer “Guy 1”…
God Bless Hezbollah n Lebanon
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Hizbollah...of course... :)
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I am presently in Cairo, Egypt and it’s people are overwhelmingly behind Hezbollah (and Hamas). Earlier today I tried to get to Al-Azhar Mosque to pray Jumma Salat but had to go to another place as there were literally thousands upon thousands of policemen (and troops) lined up for 2 miles, and no one could get past. The Egyptian regime (which is largely detested by it’s people) is extremely scared and nervous about the level of support that Hezbollah is getting from the Egyptian people.
Long live the Arab street :k:
P.S. For all those Arab bashers. The Egyptian people are hugely pro-Pakistani, and have a great deal of respect for our country.
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As long as we have Muslim leaders like Bashar Musharaf Mubark bin Abdullah Al Saud, taking queues from the UN and the west, this cycle will re-occur after another 20 years. In this age people can pray and shout as much as they can as long as they dont have a representative government all this shouting is use less.
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Already a very influential Saudi cleric has issued a fatwa against Hezbollah, stating that it is unlawful to support Hezbollah.
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^its sad how the governments and government sponsored clerics in the Gulf and Egypt are trying to create a sectarian issue in all this. does anyone know if this wahabi "mainstream" cleric is given any credence in the jihadi groups ?
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why does he not issue a fatwa on Iraq issue (Sunni vs Shia killings)? or did I miss it?