All paths to Krishna

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In Gita Krishna narrates that he is the beginning and he is the end, that all livings and non livings start from him and have to reach him, that if you pray him, is the short path to assimilate in him and if you pray some other God, a stone or even a devil, or follow someone appointed by some other God, you ultimately reach Krishna through a long path, even if you are a disbeliever, you reach Krishna depending upon the your efforts for the cause.

Is not Hindu religion the best?
Is not it something better than, ‘there is no God other than Krishna’?

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Call it allah, call it krishna...call it Yahweh..call it ram... call it Jesus...call it spirit of the woods...it is all the same.

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I never understood those who believe that "God" could be so petty or jealous that his first and foremost rule is you shall have no other Gods. God is everywhere. You can pray to the trees and still be praying to "God". He is not some robed, bearded man with human characteristics such as jealousy.

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its like blind talking about how beautiful the world scenery is :p

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Is not Hindu religion the best?
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Yes! For a Brahmin. Not from the view of an untouchable.

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In Gita Krishna narrates that he is the beginning and he is the end, that all livings and non livings start from him and have to reach him,
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"Krishna's birth too was full of strange and mysterious happenings. It is said to have taken place just about this time of year. There was a terrible rainstorm that night, with lots of lightning and thunder. When the baby was born, his mother, whose name was Devaki, was in a dungeon --a prison-- where she had been kept for many years, along with her husband Vasudeva."

Looks like that his father and mother were there before his 'beginning'!

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^^ THink out of the box chanda..think out of the box..

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
^^ THink out of the box chanda..think out of the box..
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You mean to say that one should think out of the box but in the 'Circles', the never ending ones!

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Re: All paths to Krishna

If ultimately all paths lead to the same God, what is the need for you to preach about how good Hinduism is?

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Oops, now what was the need for me to preach to you? I know you too will reach God at the perfect time and in the perfect manner for you. :flower1:

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Re: All paths to Krishna

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Is not Hindu religion the best?

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no and u know it by urself....
otherwise u'd be proud to be a hindu and not hide ur identity claiming to be a jew....
and neither wud that aif_k be acting to be a muslim to hide his hindu identity....
ppl tend to hide what they know is wrong....

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *
Matsui - Krishna was a flirt man..I hear he had 16000 wives. I also hear he married every other girl in his kingdom except his girl friend ;)
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Asif - his gf was married. They didn't have divorce courts those days. That's why I love Krishna, he was so uncomplicated. He even advised Draupadi to have 5 husbands since one could never fulfill all her requirements. That's what I call behaving like a true democrat!:)

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

no and u know it by urself....
otherwise u'd be proud to be a hindu and not hide ur identity claiming to be a jew....
and neither wud that aif_k be acting to be a muslim to hide his hindu identity....
ppl tend to hide what they know is wrong....
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then why dont they convert to islam and regain pakistan and bangaldesh? and there would be no war no need for nukes.

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So devil worshippers are Hindu then.

You did state ' ...if you pray some other God, a stone or even a devil, or follow someone appointed by some other God, you ultimately reach Krishna through a long path,....'

Way to go.

'Krishna'. Read between the lines. Krish-Na.

Translated in an easy to understand format. - No Krish.

Even Krishna is saying 'Krish Na Baba Na'!

Sorry to burst the bubble, but someone had to do it.

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you pray towars kabba which contains stones. why the stones are not removed?

Once the walls were erected, it was time to place the Black Stone, (the Hajar ul Aswad) on the eastern wall of the Kaba.

Arguments erupted about who would have the honor of putting the Black Stone in its place
http://www.soundvision.com/info/Hajj/kaba.asp

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RVIKZ

After all this time on Gupshup and cross examination of Islam, you still do not understand why Muslims face the Kaaba and pray.

I'm sure I gave a response to this type of questioning some moons ago.

However, here we go again:

Kaaba is the Qibla i.e. the direction Muslims face during their prayers. It is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.

Muslims worship Allah Almighty in the direction of the location of the Kaaba (The House of Allah Almighty in Islam), but not through the image of the Kaaba. The Kaaba is simply a focal point for prayer.

When Muslims bow down to Allah Almighty in worship at their homes, they do not bow down to the sofa, or to the pair of shoes, or to the table, or to the wall, or to the door, or to the TV, or to any object that is in front of them in their homes. No, they bow down to Allah Almighty only. The Kaaba is the same thing. We do not bow down to it in worship in any shape or form! We bow down to Allah Almighty in its direction.

Otherwise, if everyone were to pick their own directions and their own methods in bowing down to Allah Almighty, then we would end up having Muslims bowing down to idols such as stones, and gods made from wood in their worships and become Hindus.

Surah Baqarah:

"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."

[Al-Quraan 2:144]

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And you do not need to run for contexts and definitions to understand Gita.
No Hindu will ask you to learn Sanskrit to understand this word of God.

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neither wud that aif_k be acting to be a muslim to hide his hindu identity....
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How do you act to be a Muslim ? Make sure you are not acting like a Muslim and leave the rest for Allah to decide.

Karina - 5 husbands ?? Now what kinda requirements she had lady?

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Asif - his gf was married. They didn't have divorce courts those days. That's why I love Krishna, he was so uncomplicated. He even advised Draupadi to have 5 husbands since one could never fulfill all her requirements. That's what I call behaving like a true democrat!:)
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Er...that wasnt the reason....It was more like their mother said hatever you have got you will have to share and so she ended up with the five husbands.....

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How do you act to be a Muslim ? Make sure you are not acting like a Muslim and leave the rest for Allah to decide.

Karina - 5 husbands ?? Now what kinda requirements she had lady?
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Well why not, if some men are allowed four wives......

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*Originally posted by sholay: *
RVIKZ

After all this time on Gupshup and cross examination of Islam, you still do not understand why Muslims face the Kaaba and pray.

I'm sure I gave a response to this type of questioning some moons ago.

However, here we go again:

Kaaba is the Qibla i.e. the direction Muslims face during their prayers. It is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.

Muslims worship Allah Almighty in the direction of the location of the Kaaba (The House of Allah Almighty in Islam), but not through the image of the Kaaba. The Kaaba is simply a focal point for prayer.

When Muslims bow down to Allah Almighty in worship at their homes, they do not bow down to the sofa, or to the pair of shoes, or to the table, or to the wall, or to the door, or to the TV, or to any object that is in front of them in their homes. No, they bow down to Allah Almighty only. The Kaaba is the same thing. We do not bow down to it in worship in any shape or form! We bow down to Allah Almighty in its direction.

Otherwise, if everyone were to pick their own directions and their own methods in bowing down to Allah Almighty, then we would end up having Muslims bowing down to idols such as stones, and gods made from wood in their worships and become Hindus.

Surah Baqarah:

"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."

[Al-Quraan 2:144]
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do you accept there are stones inside the kabba?

would have dismantled Ka'ab if not for jahiliya
* Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka'ba?" I replied, "She told me that once the Prophet said, 'O 'Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka'ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit." Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same