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shia must be happy all around the world....
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The elections do not=democracy & the Morsi has been anything but democrat.
That's an absurd stance. Elections do indeed imply democracy, protesting in the street with an angry mob demanding the ouster of an elected government is a coup. Period.
Yes, yes, democracy has a decorum and you're meant to rule across party lines...has Obama? Did the Republicans? I digress...the difference here is that when either are in power in the US, the opposing party does not take to the street, refusing to participate in the democratic setup until the opposition is removed from power.
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Obama has tried bipartisanship and his recess appointments have been struck down which is unthinkable in Egypt.
This is the problem with the so-called Islamists. They cry about being denied power and when they come to power, they want to be absolute as far as using force to shove their agenda down people's throats. Yes, I know you could bring ataturk, but that was then and this is now with no ataturk. I don't think that you would ever criticize Morsi because he is a fellow islamist
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shia must be happy all around the world....
Wahhabis must be sad all around the world.
Some of them consider everyone opposing them a kafir. Such Wahhabis are hated by shias and sunnis alike. Just like what that Wahhabi preacher said in Egypt.
What is despicable is that they justify raping women on street for the crime that they dared to venture out of their homes.
Such vermin.
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That's an absurd stance. Elections do indeed imply democracy, protesting in the street with an angry mob demanding the ouster of an elected government is a coup. Period.
Yes, yes, democracy has a decorum and you're meant to rule across party lines...has Obama? Did the Republicans? I digress...the difference here is that when either are in power in the US, the opposing party does not take to the street, refusing to participate in the democratic setup until the opposition is removed from power.
It is a coup. I think it is clear. But the first thing people want is economy. Morsi and Ikhwan not only did not pay attention to economy, they were in denial of even having a problem. Plus I read that he was grabbing more and more political power. People don't like it either. Just like what happened when Nawaz tried to occupy everything. People in Pakistan all over the country welcomed military intervention at that time.
People were not willing to wait for the end of term, one reason being that Morsi was trying to force the constitution.
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Egypt followed Tunisia. Now Tunisia following Egypt in the second round.
New Tunisian protest movement takes cue from Egypt | Reuters
New Tunisian protest movement takes cue from Egypt
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I was curious when he came to power and wondered how long it would be before the US and Israel tried to hijack Egypt again.
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Game over for Morsi.
back to jahaliya for egypt.. welcome back oppression and secularism. back to licking israeli boots. the little hope the ikhwan brought with them, the ignorant public smashed it. they now deserve this.
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It is a coup. I think it is clear. But the first thing people want is economy.
I don't think so. If so, then they would have demanded particular economic reforms...that certain ministers be replaced...even have their own "man" put in place. Maybe people are upset about the economy, but I don't think it's lost on that instability increases their economic turmoil. They hate Morsi, and have held the country hostage. The military is probably also afraid of Morsi, lest he start asserting civilian control over it, so probably took the opportunity to stage a coup on behalf of the incomprehensible mob.
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On the contrary, Morsi was at pains to contradict the hawks in his party and follow dovish policies so as not to upset the donation flow into Egypt's national begging bowl (er...I mean risk loosing economic aid from overseas). He has gone on world tours trying to drum up business. I think he knew it quite well. Where he fell apart on the Economy is crazy social spending and subsidies the government could ill afford. He increased debt. Did nothing for business. Granted. Justify a coup? LOL...most western leaders at some point would have been ripe for a coup if that was the case.
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Plus I read that he was grabbing more and more political power. People don't like it either. Just like what happened when Nawaz tried to occupy everything. People in Pakistan all over the country welcomed military intervention at that time.
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Because they were stupid. What did the military do since? What is the stance of Pakistanis now on generals entering politics? Why is Kayani well respected for staying out of politics?
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Obama has tried bipartisanship and his recess appointments have been struck down which is unthinkable in Egypt.
This is the problem with the so-called Islamists. They cry about being denied power and when they come to power, they want to be absolute as far as using force to shove their agenda down people's throats. Yes, I know you could bring ataturk, but that was then and this is now with no ataturk. I don't think that you would ever criticize Morsi because he is a fellow islamist
LOL...do you think these fools will serve as a role model and reach out to the brotherhood? I've got plenty of problems with Morsi and the socialism-in-Islamic dress ideology he espouses, but the problem with these nations is that their politics is always zero sum. Morsi, as far as a I could tell, had the popular mandate of the people and simply did what he promised to do. It's the responsibility of the opposition to work with him, and they simply did not do that.
It's crazy to talk about Morsi's power grab when those in opposition cried "no fair", went home, and pouted to daddy General Sahib. Power was in essence thrown to him. Why the hell should he appoint non-MB members to key positions? What did the opposition offer in turn? They didn't even recognize his legitimacy.
The real problem is that for all the talk about democracy, secularists and liberals simply don't believe that it applies to them when their ideology isn't supreme. Sound familiar?
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Democracy didn't last long. Let's see what "Arab Spring" round 2 brings.
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The mistake the MB made was trying to please the secular extremists and they failed miserably the Army is the power in Egypt and it plays only to the American tune.
If the MB thought they could bring islam to the masses through democracy they learned the hard way just like turkey, algeria before them the powers(army and secular elite) will never allow that to happen.
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The elections do not=democracy & the Morsi has been anything but democrat.
I am not a Morsi supporter but a coup was not an answer in my opinion.
This has been a fragile time. I know many egyptians as colleagues who don't support Morsy but thought he should be given some more time. What happened to power of ballot?
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This article sums it up:
Military assault on Egyptian democracy - The World Desk - Macleans.ca
Emphasis mine.
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The US has made heavy investment in the Egyptian army over the last few decades. The Egyptian army would have not taken any action without a nod of approval from the U.S.
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Wahhabis must be sad all around the world. Some of them consider everyone opposing them a kafir. Such Wahhabis are hated by shias and sunnis alike. Just like what that Wahhabi preacher said in Egypt. What is despicable is that they justify raping women on street for the crime that they dared to venture out of their homes.
Such vermin.
just because it's sunni sharia, doesn't justify you labeling people wahabis. taking a bad example from millions of people, doesn't make you right. i can post 100s of such examples from shia iran and you will call me wahabi nasibi yazeedi khariji (the only thing your good at)
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What happened to power of ballot?
I do not support the coup either. I was just making the point that Morsi was de-facto dictator...hardly and different from his predecessor. Btw, MB hijacked youth revolution last time around to push their own religious agenda, and people were having none of it.
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I do not support the coup either. I was just making the point that Morsi was de-facto dictator...hardly and different from his predecessor. Btw, MB hijacked youth revolution last time around to push their own religious agenda, and people were having none of it.
Well, that's nonsense. Mr Morsi had a term limit. Mubarak did not. Mr Morsi was elected. Mubarak was not. True, Mr. Morsi was a horrible politician. That does not make him an autorcrat, especially when the opposition refused to work with him. True, he played cheap political tricks, but in all honesty it was to counter other cheap political tricks.
The bottom line is that the fault is not with Mr Morsi, but that the Egyptian political setup was a joke. I mean, you have liberals, salafists, former Mubarak supporters all in the same mob demanding the ouster of someone who was not their man. I would suggest the outcome would be the same regardless of who was in power.
Hijacked reovlution? A revolution often ushers in another poltical body...there's typically some idea of what the new order ought to be. In Egypt, all the people know is what they don't want...and they're dogged in that. That does not bode well for their political future.
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Come on, going after a comedian for making fun of his hat in Pakistan by charging him with inciting hatred against and insulting islam and Prophet muhammad and insulting the state of Pakistan is not ludicrous? I am not a big fan of coups here either, but bearded bobble head dug his own grave. Call what you may musharraf or zardari, but where would pakistani media be if we started rounding people up for making fun of politicians?
The biggest problem with islamists or muslims as a whole has been the lack of tolerance. You can ask muslims to burn and loot a city on ishq muhammad, but no one follows the Prophet's example on him tolerating people who abused him, be it the people of taif, the woman who threw garbage at him, the jew who held him by his collar and pretty much are you good for your money (he had gave him a loan) and the bedouin who said to the Prophet that you are a bad muslim. Mind you, the Prophet stopped sahabis in the last two examples from cutting off the offenders' heads.