The situation is changing very quickly in Egypt. Can Morsi survive, as the army might step in if the situation does not improve soon.
Re: All over for Morsi?
BBC News - Egypt’s army gives parties 48 hours to resolve crisis
Re: All over for Morsi?
^^^ He wasted precious time, and made many mistakes including his failure write consensus constitution. He could've been Egypt's George Washington, but instead he turned into a wobbly 3rd rate dictator who will be kicked out before his time.
Re: All over for Morsi?
Mohammed Morsi rejects Egyptian army ultimatum to meet people’s demands
Re: All over for Morsi?
He is really stupid...did he think the ppl were just going to accept all his nonsense when they struggled so hard to kick Hosni Mubarak out!?
Re: All over for Morsi?
He is really stupid...did he think the ppl were just going to accept all his nonsense when they struggled so hard to kick Hosni Mubarak out!?
The difference is that the people chose him, but did not choose Mubarak.
Egypt is about to fall into the Pakistani trap - letting the army believe that it has the right to remove democratic governments that are unpopular. This is a situation that Pakistan has now barely pulled itself out of after decades.
For Egypt's first directly elected leader to be removed from power by the military would set a precedent that will last for decades, or even centuries - it sends the message that election results are meaningless and that might is right.
Re: All over for Morsi?
nowadays these protests are common all over the world..how should one know if the protesters are representing the majority view?
Re: All over for Morsi?
The situation is changing very quickly in Egypt. Can Morsi survive, as the army might step in if the situation does not improve soon.
The protesters represent an anti-democratic movement that are ideologically opposed to Morsi. Even though he won the election, the have been hell bent on negating his legitimacy.
One of Morsi's biggest problems was that the opposition simply would not co-operate with him. The result is a political body that is absolutely ineffective. In hindsight, it would have been better for the brotherhood to have supporetd a conservative party that was out of the Islamist fold. At the very least, their influence could be applied while still having a functional government. Yes, Morsi's performance has been bad, but he hasn't really been in a position to govern.
However, it should be understood, imho, that had the Islamists done the same (protest against a secular government), they would have been totally ignored at best, or brutally repressed. This puts the brotherhood in a survival mode. I can't blame them for hardneing their stance against a mindless mob.
I don't know if the Army has the will to step in at this point.
Re: All over for Morsi?
I don't see much difference between Eptians and Pakistanis. Just as people used to remember Musharraf in PPP's tenure, Egyptians are now missing Mubarak. Egyptian Army also loves to poke its nose in politicial affairs. Maybe they need a Kiyani of their own.
Re: All over for Morsi?
This is disgusting. All and sundry are saying Morsi must open a dialog with the protesters, Morsi himself has stated that dialog is only what he will consider (and not stepping down), and yet the onus is on him to *start *the dialog even when the protesters make it clear that they will not. Am I the only one who thinks this smacks of a planned failure? I shouldn’t be. That is the exact tactic:
Egypt army plan would sideline Mursi if no deal in 24 hours | Top News | Reuters
Sorry, but that’s scumbag politics right there. This is nothing short of the protesters leading a coup. This is the protesters saying that the majority were wrong, and that it’s their way or the highway. The military agrees. And laughably, all will blame Morsi for being too firm.
Re: All over for Morsi?
I don't see much difference between Eptians and Pakistanis. Just as people used to remember Musharraf in PPP's tenure, Egyptians are now missing Mubarak. Egyptian Army also loves to poke its nose in politicial affairs. Maybe they need a Kiyani of their own.
As much as there is animosity between the big parties, I've never seen this kind of filth. Perhaps it's because the Pakistani people lack passion, but the bottom line is, if PPP gets elected, the PML folk will accept it. And so too if the PML gets elected, we see the PPP accepting the results rather graciously. So, Pakistan is light years ahead of this nonsense. Let us not forget that the instigators here is not necessarily the army, but hoards of protesters who are ideologically opposed to Morsi and the MB.
Re: All over for Morsi?
As much as there is animosity between the big parties, I've never seen this kind of filth. Perhaps it's because the Pakistani people lack passion, but the bottom line is, if PPP gets elected, the PML folk will accept it. And so too if the PML gets elected, we see the PPP accepting the results rather graciously. So, Pakistan is light years ahead of this nonsense. Let us not forget that the instigators here is not necessarily the army, but hoards of protesters who are ideologically opposed to Morsi and the MB.
Correct. They are not used to majority/minority and the new found power of demonstrations, so looks like every few weeks there will be protesters en masse' if they disagree with something.
Re: All over for Morsi?
As much as there is animosity between the big parties, I've never seen this kind of filth. Perhaps it's because the Pakistani people lack passion, but the bottom line is, if PPP gets elected, the PML folk will accept it. And so too if the PML gets elected, we see the PPP accepting the results rather graciously. So, Pakistan is light years ahead of this nonsense. Let us not forget that the instigators here is not necessarily the army, but hoards of protesters who are ideologically opposed to Morsi and the MB.
I'd say the idea of anarchy and blood revolution doesn't really appeal to Pakistanis, in fact this is something they fundamentally oppose and fear no matter how bad the situation gets. In a way, I really appreciate this about people of Pakistan. Despite all the troubles and tragedies, full credit must be given to people of Pakistan for accepting democracy and enduring all the initial bumps that naturally come along with an untraveled democratic path. All world's most successful and mature democracies have been through what Pakistan is going through right now.
Re: All over for Morsi?
Pakistan also has sectarian and ethnic fault lines that help the status quo nonetheless.
Re: All over for Morsi?
Pakistan also has sectarian and ethnic fault lines that help the status quo nonetheless.
Do you think there are no fault lines in Egypt? :)
Re: All over for Morsi?
I'd say the idea of anarchy and blood revolution doesn't really appeal to Pakistanis, in fact this is something they fundamentally oppose and fear no matter how bad the situation gets. In a way, I really appreciate this about people of Pakistan. Despite all the troubles and tragedies, full credit must be given to people of Pakistan for accepting democracy and enduring all the initial bumps that naturally come along with an untraveled democratic path. All world's most successful and mature democracies have been through what Pakistan is going through right now.
if u can name a few countries.. that be helpful
Re: All over for Morsi?
if u can name a few countries.. that be helpful
The American Civil war comes to mind...though nothing going on in the Muslim world compares to that, really. French revolution...but again, not really the same scale. Rise and fall of nazism...mmm...no, again we're dealing with small time events in comparison. By far and wide, we're still dealing with bizarre borders designed by our former colonial masters. The so-called "Arab spring" marks a very important demarcation point, where we are shifting from the autocratic post-colonial client-state model to...something different.
Re: All over for Morsi?
This article nails Egyptian dilemma.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/opinion/in-egypt-democrats-vs-liberals.html?_r=1&
Egypt has a dilemma: its politics are dominated by democrats who are not liberals and liberals who are not democrats.
Many in the opposition, on the other hand, believe fiercely in minority rights, personal freedoms, civil liberties and electoral coalition-building — as long as the elections keep Islamists out of power. In other words, they are liberal without being democrats; they are clamoring fervently for Mr. Morsi’s ouster and want the military to intervene. But they have proved themselves woefully unequipped to organize voters. Though my heart is with their democratic goals, I must admit that their commitment to democratic principles runs skin deep.
Re: All over for Morsi?
Sixteen shot dead in pro-Morsi rally in Cairo: state TV - DAWN.COM
Re: All over for Morsi?
Almost 100 women sexually assaulted in Cairo: HRW | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR