Ali(AS) referred to in the Holy Quran

As-Salamun-Alaikum
Peace and blesings be on Muhammad and his
Progeny

I am aware of 3 ayas in the Holy Quran Imam Ali(AS) is referred to:

First of all the verse that claims that wilayat of Imam Ali(AS)

[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow


commentary:

All the commentators unanimously hold, as Qushaji admits in the Sharh al Tajrid on the subject of imamat, that this verse refers to Ali when he gave his ring to a beggar while bowing down in the course of his prayers. Nasa-i has also recorded this tradition in his Sahihah al Nasa-i, and so has the author of Al Jama Bayn al Sihah al Sittah (corroboration of the six authentic books) in discussion of the commentary on al Ma-idah, and so does Tha-labi in his Tafsir Kabir, and al Balakhi in his Yanabi has copied it from Ahmad bin Hanbal’s Musnad, vol. 5, margin of p. 38. Please refer to the commentary on this verse in Wahidi’s book Asbab al Nuzul (the circumstances of descent) which contains the tradition related by Ibn Abbas. Al Khatib has recorded the tradition in Al Muttafiq, and Ibn Marduwayh and Abu Shaykh in their Musnads. It is mentioned in Kanz al Ummal, vol. 6, p. 391, tradition no. 5991. In Ghayah al Maram, chapter 18, there are twenty four traditions from sources other than the Ahl ul Bayt, all supporting the above statement about the descent of this verse.

When Abi Ishaq Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Naysaburi al Tha-labi reached this verse he recorded the following in his Tafsir al Kabir on the authority of Abu Dharr al Ghifari, who said “Both of my ears may turn deaf and both my eyes may become blind if I speak a lie. I heard the Holy Prophet saying, ‘Ali is the guide of the righteous and the slayer of the infidels. He who has helped him is victorious and he who has abandoned him is forsaken’. One day I said my prayers in the company of the Holy Prophet; a beggar came to the masjid and begged for alms, but nobody gave him anything. Ali was in a state of ruku in the prayer. He pointed out his ring to the beggar, who approached him and removed the ring from his finger. Thereupon the Holy Prophet implored Allah, saying: ‘O Allah! My brother Musa begged You saying: My Lord, delight my heart and make my task easy and undo the knot in my tongue so that they may understand me, and appoint from among my kinsmen, Harun, my brother, as my vizier, and strengthen my back with him and make him participate in my mission so that we may glorify You and remember You more frequently. Certainly You see us-and You inspired him: O Musa! All your requests have been granted. (The Holy Prophet continued) Delight my heart and make my task easy and appoint from among my kinsmen Ali as my vizier and strengthen my back with him’. (Abu Dhar proceeds) By Allah, the Holy Prophet had not yet finished his supplication when the trustworthy Jibril descended to him with this verse”. (Ibn Khallikan says that Al Tha-labi was unique as a commentator of the Quran and his Tafsir al Kabir is superior to all other Tafsirs).

In this verse the word wali has been used in the meaning of guardian or master or who holds authority superior to others. Please refer to the origin of the word wali in Sihah or Mukhtar al Sihah or any other good dictionary. The lexicographers have explained that he who manages the affairs of and exercises authority for another person is the wali of that person. This verse, therefore, means that those who manage the affairs of the people (mankind) are superior to all men, and certainly they are Allah, His messenger, the Holy Prophet, and Ali, who possesses all the qualifications enumerated in this verse. Allah has simultaneously confirmed His wilayah (superior authority), that of His prophet and his wali (Ali) in unbroken succession. Allah’s wilayah is universal, so likewise, the wilayah of the Holy Prophet and his wali (Ali) must be so. It is not possible to assign to the word wali in this verse the meaning of a helper or a friend, etcetera, for help and friendship are not confined to these three only. All the faithful men and women, according to the holy book, are friends and helpers of one another. It is as obvious as can be that the word wali in this verse means, guardian, ruler, possessor of superior authority. It is in this sense that the word wali has been used by the Holy Prophet in the abovenoted tradition related by Al Tha-labi in his Tafsir al Kabir on the authority of Abu Dharr al Ghifari whom the Holy Prophet had given the title of siddiq (the truthful). There are other authentic traditions, given below, in which the word wali indicates its true meaning:

(i) Abu Dawud al Tayalisi has recorded in Isti-ab on the authority of Ibn Abbas, who said: “The Holy Prophet said to Ali, ‘You are the master (wali) of the faithful after me’.”

(ii) After an expedition, under the command of Ali, some of the men, who went with him, complained to the Holy Prophet about Ali’s refusal to oblige them favourably. The Holy Prophet turned to them with signs of displeasure on his face and said: “What do you want to do to Ali? Surely Ali is from me and I am from him, and after me he is the master (wali) of all the faithful.”

Nasa-i has recorded it in his Khasa-is al Alawiyyah, p. 17, Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, vol. 4, p. 438; Hakim in Mustadrak, vol. 11, p. 11; Al Dhahabi in his Talkhis al Mustadrak; Ibn Shaybah and Jarir both have recorded it from whom Muttaqi of India has copied it in his Kanz al Ummal, vol. 6, p. 400; Tirmidhi has recorded it from Asqalani, mentioned in his account of Ali in his Isabah; Ibn Hadid has copied it from Tirmidhi in his Sharh al Nahj al Balagha, vol. 2, p. 450.

(iii) The Holy Prophet said to Buraydah:

“Am I not a more privileged master (mawla or wali) of the lives of the faithful than the faithful themselves? Ali is the master (wali or mawla) of those who believe me to be their master.”

Ahmad ibn Hanbal has recorded it in his Musnad, vol. 5, p. 356, Hakim has recorded it in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 110, besides many other traditionists.

(iv) The Holy Prophet said:

“O Ali! After me you are the master of all the faithful.”

Hakim has recorded this tradition as reported by Ibn Abbas in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 134; and Dhahabi in his Talkhis; Nasa-i in Khasa-is al Alawiyyah p. 6; Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Musnad vol. 1, p. 331.

“Ali is your wali after me”, means that Ali and none else will be the master of the faithful after the Holy Prophet. It confines in Ali the authority to manage the affairs of the ummah after him. It is, therefore, necessary to attach the same meaning to the word wali and to understand it in the same sense as has been pointed out above. Help, affection, love, friendship are not confined to any one person. All faithful men and women love and are friends of one another. If the meaning of wali is taken as helper or friend, then why the Holy Prophet took so much interest in, and attached so much importance to, clarifying emphatically what was obvious and evident, so as to repeat the declaration off and on? His perfect wisdom, his thorough impeccability and termination with him of the prophethood make him far above the indulgence of explaining the self-evident, emphasising the obvious and making unnecessary repetitions. Besides, the traditions lay down clearly that Ali is or will be master of the nation after the Holy Prophet, and this makes it all the more necessary to understand the word wali in the same sense and fix for it the same meaning as has been stated above. The abovenoted traditionists, commentators and historians also deal with the word wali or mawla as the “more privileged master of the lives of the faithful than the faithful themselves.”

“Those who believe” is in the plural form. How can it be applicable to an individual?

All the annotators, traditionists and historians agree that it was Na-im ibn Mas-ud al Ashja-i, whom Abu Sufyan gave ten camels for discouraging the Muslim, said to them: “Fear your enemies who have united against you and gathered in large numbers to attack you” (Ali Imran: 173), but in this verse “people said to them” (a plural form) has been used.

It was Ghawrath from the tribe of Banu Maharib, some scholars say, while others say that it was Umar ibn Jahash of the tribe of Banu Nadir, (a single man) single man) who drew out his sword to strike the Holy Prophet, but verse 11 of al Ma-idah describes it as “when a group of persons became so bold as to stretch their hands to you”-in plural form. Verse 120 of al Nahl says: “Ibrahim was certainly a people obedient to Allah”.

There are plenty of other examples of using the plural form for an individual.

Tabrasi, while commenting on this verse in his Majma al Bayan, says: “The plural form has been used for Ali in order to express his glory and eminence .”

Zamakhshari, in his Tafsir al Kashshaf, says:

“If you inquire how this plural word is applicable to Ali, who is an individual, I shall say that though this verse is about Ali, an individual, the plural form is used in order to persuade others to act similarly and give alms as readily as Ali did.”

The Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt have frequently referred to this verse as a proof of their rightful imamat and have assigned the same meaning to the word wali as we have stated.

The word innama makes the decision of Allah (that He, the Holy Prophet and Ali alone are the masters of the believers) final and decisive. The construction of the sentence and the word wali, used in singular for all the three, means that wilayah of all the three is essentially one in nature as well as in effect. Therefore, obedience to the Holy Prophet must be as it should be to Allah, and obedience to Ali and his successors (the Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt) must be as it should be to the Holy Prophet.

Wa hum raki-un is an adverbial clause qualifying the manner in which the alms were given. If it is taken as a conjunctive clause, then yuqimunas salat or this clause becomes an unnecessary repetition.

In fact this verse points out the highest state of spiritual attainment-fully absorbed in witnessing the glory of the absolute Lord and at the same time alive to the needs of His servants so as to solve them at once to their full satisfaction- which alone entitles a man to be a master like the eternal master, the almighty Allah. The Quran a asserts this possibility for such a man, not for all the followers because they have been addressed in

second person (kum). The plural term “those who believe” is used to include the Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt in the same way as has been done in verse 61 of Ali Imran (Mubahilah).

Please also refer to verse 67 of this surah for the event of Ghadir Khum where the Holy Prophet openly declared Ali as the wali or mawla of the faithfuls just as the Holy Prophet himself is. The entire Muslim nation is unanimous that when the verses of the Quran were collected they were not arranged in the same order in which they descended. There is many a verse occurring in an irrelevant context, for instance, the verse of purification, which occurs in the account of the wives of the Holy Prophet, but actually is in praise of the five persons of al kisa, as has been universally admitted. All Muslims are agreed that arguments are to be preferred to the context, and whenever the implication of the context was opposed to the implication of arguments they ignored the context and yielded to the arguments, because they were doubtful about the context in which a certain verse occurs.

The second Ayah: Here Imam Ali(AS) is referred as a part of the ahl-Bayt(AS)

. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House!(Ahlul Bayt) and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.

Obedience to Allah’s law sums up all duties. Regular prayer (seeking nearness to Allah) and regular charity (doing good to fellow-creatures) are mentioned as specially symbolical of the religion of Allah, Islam.

The first command in this verse “stay in your houses” was violated by A-isha when she went to Iraq to organise a mischievous campaign against Ali about whom the Holy Prophet said:

“O Ali, you are to me as Harun was to Musa. You are my brother in this world and the hereafter. Your flesh is my flesh, your blood is my blood. You and me are from one and the same light.”

In his sermon at Ghadir Khum (see commentary of Ma-idah: 67) he invoked Allah to be a friend of those who loved Ali and be an enemy of those who opposed Ali.

Bukhari has recorded in the chapter “What happened in the houses of the Prophet’s wives” in the book “Jihad and Travel” of his Sahih, vol. 2, p. 125, that while delivering an address from the pulpit, the Holy Prophet pointed towards A-isha’s house and said: “Here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal, where the horn of Shaytan would be rising.” In the words of Sahih Muslim: "The Prophet came out of the house of A-isha and remarked: “Here is the head of infidelity where the horn of Shaytan will rise.” Refer to Sahih Muslim, vol. 2,0.502.

“Verily Allah intends to keep off from you uncleanness, O you Ahl ul Bayt and purify you with a thorough purification” is a separate verse revealed on a particular occasion but placed here. Please refer to Aqa Mahdi Puya’s note in the commentary of verses 28 to 32.

The time, occasion and people concerned in connection with the revelation of the above noted verse have been discussed and made known in many authentic books of the Muslim scholars.

The one and only reference available to the commentators is the event of the blanket (Hadith al Kisa).

The “event of the blanket” has been written by the following authors whom the Muslim Ummah acclaim with one voice.

(1) Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal (241 H) “Musnad” (Egypt: 131 H) pages 259, 285, 292.

(2) Muslim bin Hajjaj Nayshapuri (261 H) Sahih Muslim" (Egypt: 1349) vol. 4, page 116.

(3) Abi Isa Muhammad Tirmidhi (275 or 279 H) “Sahih Tirmidhi” (Sharah ibnul Arabi) (Egypt: 1352 H) vol. 13 pages 200, 248.

(4) Ahmed ibn Shu-ayb Nisa-i (303 H) “Khasa-is” (Egypt: 1348 H) page 4.

(5) Ibn Jarir Tabari (310 H) “Tafsir Tabari” (Jama ul Bayan fi Tafsir il Quran) (Egypt: 1331 H) vol.22, page 5.

(6) Sulayman bin Ahmad Al Tibrani (360 H) “Al Mu-jam Al Saghir” (Dehli: 1311 H), page 34, 75.

(7) Hakim Nayshapuri (405 H) “Al Mustadrak” (Hyderabad Deccan: 1334 H), pages 146, 147, 148.

(8) Yusuf bin Abdullah ibni Abdul Birr (463 H) “Al Isti-ab” (Hyderabad Deccan: 1346 H),

vol. 2, page 460.

Ali bin Ahmad Al Wahidi (468 H) “Asbab ul Nuzul” (Egypt: 1315 H) pages 266, 267.
Tirmidhi, Ibn Jarir Tabari, Hakim and Tibrani have related from Ummi Salima that when this verse was revealed the Holy Prophet was under a blanket or mantle along with Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn, and he declared that his family consisted of only these persons. Ummi Salima, his wife, within whose quarters the revelation came, asked permission to be included in the group under the blanket, but she was politely refused permission. The group is known ever since with the epithet “panjtan pak” or “the holy group of five”. These are the persons who were compared by the Holy Prophet with the ark of Nuh wherein those who embarked were saved, while those who sought shelter elsewhere were drowned. Refer to Tafsir Azizi by Shah Abdul Aziz and Tafsir Durr al Manthur by Jalal al Din al Suyuti. In Yanabi al Mawaddat, page 87, Shaykh al Islam writes that A-isha said: “Ayah al Tat-hir refers only to the Holy Prophet, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn. No wife of his is included.” On page 280 of volume two of Sharah Nuwi of Sahih Muslim it is written that when Zayd bin Arqam was asked whether the wives of the Holy Prophet are included in the Ahl ul Bayt, he said: “By Allah the wives of the Holy Prophet cannot be included in the Ahl ul Bayt at all, because after the pronouncement of divorce the wives are reverted to their parent; and, moreover, sadqah (charity) is prohibited to be given to the Ahl ul Bayt.” Also please refer to the commentary of Shura: 42 and Ali Imran : 61 for further confirmation and proofs.

Some commentators report this tradition through A-isha who says that this event took place in her house. So two wives of the Holy Prophet have confirmed that they both were not given permission by the Holy Prophet to come under the blanket, so they could never be described as Ahl ul Bayt.

Thalabi reports that when A-isha was asked as to why she violated the command of Allah “to stay in your houses” by going to the battle of Jamal against Ali, she said:

“It was my fate. I saw the Holy Prophet taking Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain under his mantle and heard him saying: ‘O Allah, these are my Ahl ul Bayt. Keep off impurity from them.’ I asked him: ‘Am I not of your Ahl ul Bayt?’ He said: ‘Go away from here. You are not of my Ahlul Bayt.’”

Abu Dawud and Malik relate from Anas that for six months after the revelation of this verse every morning, while going for fajr salat, the Holy Prophet used to recite this verse at the door of Fatimah’s house.

In verse 73 of Hud Sara is addressed as Ahli Bayt, not as the wife of Ibrahim but as the mother of prophet Is-haq, because the state of being a wife of a prophet gives no privilege to a woman as stated above and clearly indicated by the Holy Prophet himself, and decisively proved by the condemnation of the wives of Nuh and Lut.

Innama implies the determined decision or will of Allah. Although the decision of a created being may not take effect at all, but the will of Allah takes immediate effect. There cannot be a slightest gap of time or space in the will of Allah taking effect. When He commands: “Be”; it becomes. Refer to Baqarah: 117; Nahl: 40 Maryolm: 35; Ya Sin 83; Mumin: 68 and Qamar 50. It is not only the will of Allah but the declaration of its effect. Since the Ahl ul Bayt have been thoroughly purified, they remain thoroughly purified for ever. The prayer of Ibrahim in Baqarah: 127 to 129 is prayed to continue the excellence in themselves and in their descendants mentioned in Baqarah: 124. When a quality or attribute is described or mentioned in indefinite sense it refers to the perfect possibility. The purity in this verse is absolute purity. Polytheism (shirk) is described in the Quran as impurity and also the greatest iniquity (refer to Luqman : 13). Refer to the commentary of Baqarah: 124 for the condition that imamah is not bestowed on those who have ever (even once in their lives) worshipped any ghayrallah. All the companions of the Holy Prophet and his wives were polytheists before embracing Islam. Only the Holy Prophet, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn were at that time free from the dirt of shirk, therefore they alone could be throughly purified.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

(i) Innama (verily or only) signifies exclusive distinction. To emphasise this exclusiveness, the second object of the verb yudh-hiba (keep off)-the phrase ankum (from you)-has been put before the first object rijs (uncleanness); and for further emphasis, the phrase Ahl ul Bayt has been mentioned to explain the pronoun ankum (from you). The grammatical structure of the whole clause indicates that this a unique privilege or distinction granted to the Ahl ul Bayt only, excluding all others.

(ii)

The verb yuridu implies that the continuous will or intention of Allah is His creative will or intention, not legislative. To interpret the will as the legislative will as in Ma-idah: 6, distorts the whole fabric of the verse and renders meaningless the exclusive particle and the constructional arrangement. Even then it means that only the Ahl ul Bayt exclusively achieved the standard.

(iii) This verse is a preface to verses 77 to 79 of al Waqi-ah: “Verily this is an honourable (Karim) Quran, in a hidden (preserved) book, which no one can touch save the purified.” (Refer to page 3.)

(iv) The excellences of Ahl ul Bayt have been openly demonstrated in the event of mubahilah (refer to the commentary of Ali Imran : 61).

(v) The Ahl ul Bayt had only been thoroughly purified by Allah because of their total submission to Allah’s will and their state of being always in communion with Allah.

The event of revelation of this verse as reported by Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari, one of the most reliable companions of the Holy Prophet has been mentioned in “Awalim al Ulum” by Shaykh Abdullah bin Nurullah Al-Bahrayni and is reproduced here:-

In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful. It is reported by Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari that Fatimah Zahra said;

One day my father, the messenger of Allah, came into (my house),

and said “Fatimah! Peace be on you.” “Peace be on you too.” I replied.

“I am not feeling well.” He said.

“May Allah keep you safe from weakness, O my father.” I prayed.

“Fatimah! Please bring the Yamani blanket and cover me with it.” He said.

So I brought the Yamani blanket and covered him with it. I turned my eyes upon his face. It was shining bright like a full moon in its full glory and splendour.

Then, not a moment passed before my son, Hasan, walked in and said:

“Peace be on you, mother.”

“Peace be on you too, my dearest darling” I answered.

“I breathe the pure aroma of the messenger of Allah, my grandfather, coming from you!” He observed.

“True; your grandfather is under the blanket.” I confirmed.

Hasan went near his grandfather (covered with the blanket) and said:

“Peace be on you, grandfather, the messenger of Allah, may I join you under the blanket?”

“Peace be on you, my son, my companion at the spring of Kawthar, come in.”

He went inside the blanket.

Then, not a moment passed, before my son, Husayn, walked in and said: “Peace be on you, mother.” “Peace be on you too, my dearest darling” I answered .

“I breathe the pure aroma of the messenger of Allah, my grandfather, coming from you!” He observed .

“True, your grandfather and your brother are under the blanket.” I confirmed.

Husayn went near the blanket (under which his grandfather was resting with his brother) and said:

“Peace be on you grandfather, the choice of Allah, may I join you both under the blanket ?”

“Peace be on you, my son, the saviour of my people, come in.”

He went inside the blanket.

In that instant Abul Hasan. Amir al Muminin, Ali ibn abi Talib, stepped in and said:

“Peace be on you, O the daughter of the messenger of Allah!”

“Peace be on you too, Abul Hasan, Amir al Muminin.” I answered.

“Fatimah, I breathe the pure aroma of my brother, the son of my uncle, the messenger of Allah, coming from you!” He observed.

“True, he is under the blanket with your sons” I confirmed.

Ali went near the blanket and said:

“Peace be on you, the messenger of Allah, may I join you (all) under the blanket?”

“Peace be on you, my brother, the executor of my will, my successor, my standard bearer, come in.”

Ali went inside the blanket.

Then I went near the blanket and said:

“Peace be on you, my father, the messenger of Allah, may I join you (all), under the blanket?”

“Peace be on you; my daughter my darling, come in.”

I went inside the blanket.

As soon as all of us united under the blanket, my father, the messenger of Allah, held the two ends of the blanket and raised his right hand toward the heaven and said:

“O Allah! These are my Ahl ul Bayt, very special to me, my near and dear ones, my own flesh and blood; whoso annoys them disturbs me; whoso makes them sad makes me unhappy. I make war on those who carry on hostilities against them; I am well disposed towards those who make their peace with them; I oppose those who run counter to them; I favour those who love them. They are from me and I am from them. So send Thy blessings, benefits, mercy, protection and favours on me and on them, and keep off from them uncleanliness, and purify them with a thorough purification.”

Thereupon The Almighty and the Glorious Allah said: “O My angels and the dwellers of the heavens, verily I have not created the indeclinable sky, the levelled earth, the bright moon, the resplendent sun, the rotating cosmic system, the flowing seas, and the sailing ship, but for the sake of and in the love of the five souls lying underneath the blanket.”

The trusted Jibrail asked:

“O Lord! Who are underneath the blanket?” The Almighty and the Glorious replied:

“They are the ‘Ahl ul Bayt’ of the Prophet, the custodians of the message; they are-Fatimah, her father, her husband and her sons.”

Jibrail (submissively) asked:

“O Lord! May I descend on the earth and be the sixth with them?”

“Yes. I give you permission,” said Allah.

The trusted angel, Jibrail, came down (on the earth), and said:

"Peace be on you, O the messenger of Allah. The Highest High says: "Peace be on you. And distinguishes you with greetings and blessings.

He tells you:

‘In the name of My majesty and glory, verily, I have not created the indeclinable sky, the levelled earth, the bright moon, the resplendent sun, the rotating cosmic system, the flowing seas, and the sailing ship, but for your sake and in your love.’

And He has also given me permission to be with you. So may I have your permission O the messenger of Allah."

The messenger of Allah replied: “Peace be on you, O the custodian of Allah’s revelation, come in and join (us).”

Jibrail came in and joined us under the blanket.

He told my father: "Verily, Allah has sent a revelation to you. He said:

‘Verily Allah’s wish is but to keep off from you uncleanness, O Ahl ul Bayt, and to purify you (with) a thorough purification.’"

Ali asked my father: “O messenger of Allah, tell us that which makes our assembly under this blanket an event of surpassing excellence before Allah.”

The Prophet replied:

“In the name of He who sent me as a truthful prophet, and chose me as a redeemer to convey His message, I declare that no assembly of our followers and devotees, on the earth, where this event is narrated shall spend a single moment but the mercy of Allah will envelop them, then and there; and countless angels of Allah shall pray for the remission of their sins till the group of the faithful disperse.”

Ali declared:

“Well then, by the Lord of the Ka-bah, we have attained our end, and have been rendered successful, so also our followers!”

The Holy Prophet said again:

“O Ali! In the name of He who sent me as a truthful Prophet, and chose me as a redeemer to convey His message, I declare that in any of the assemblies of our followers and devotees, on the earth, where this event is narrated, there would not be a grief-stricken among them, but Allah dispels his worries; nor there would be a downcast, among them, but Allah disperses his sorrows; nor would there be a needy, among them, but Allah meets his demands.”

Then Ali observed:

“In this case then, by Allah, we have attained our end, and found our happiness; and likewise our followers have attained their end and found their happiness in this world and in the hereafter, in the name of the Lord of the Ka-bah.”

In view of the concluding discourse of the Holy Prophet and the conclusive declaration of Imam Ali ibn abi Talib, quoted in the “event of the blanket”, it is but natural that the “followers and devotees of Muhammad and ali Muhammad”, recite the text of the tradition every day, or at least, once in a week, on the night preceding every Friday.

Thirdly Ali(AS) is referred in Ayat 207 of Sura al-Baqara

[Shakir 2:207] And among men is he who sells himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.
[Yusufali 2:207] And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah: And Allah is full of kindness to (His) devotees.
[Pickthal 2:207] And of mankind is he who would sell himself, seeking the pleasure of Allah; and Allah hath compassion on (His) bondmen.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:207]
Thalabi, Ghazali, the author of Ahya-ul Ulum, and all the Shia commentators say that this verse was revealed to praise Ali ibna abi Talib, when he slept in the bed of the Holy Prophet, during the night of hijrat.

Immediately after the death of Abu Talib, Abu Sufyan, the chief of the branch of Umayyah, succeeded to the principality of Makka. A zealous votary of the idols, a mortal foe of the line of Hashim, he convened an assembly of the Quraysh and their allies. All tribal heads held a conference on the instigation of Abu Sufyan and Abu Jahl. It was resolved that one man from every tribe should go to the Holy Prophet’s house in the darkness of the night and kill him jointly, in order to divide the guilt, and baffle the vengeance of the Bani Hashim. In the stupidity of their ignorance, they forgot that Allah is seeing, hearing, and His hand (Ali) was alive, who, from his earliest days, had committed himself to save the Holy Prophet at all costs. In the dark night, the conspirators surrounded the house of the Holy Prophet. Meanwhile, Allah commanded the Holy Prophet to leave Makka at once and go to Madina. The Holy Prophet intimated Ali of the divine plan and asked him to lie down on his bed, in order to lead the enemies into thinking that it was the Holy Prophet himself who was sleeping, thus giving him enough time to go away from Makka (unnoticed). Ali asked the Holy Prophet if his lying down in his bed would save the Holy Prophet’s life, to which he answered in the affirmative. So Ali lay down on the Holy Prophet’s bed, covering himself with his blanket. Ali made a willing choice of certain death, as the blood-thirsty enemies were lurking around the house to kill the Holy Prophet in his bed at any time during the night.

Ali willingly agreed to die because:

(1) in his opinion the life of the Holy Prophet was more valuable than his own;

he was absolutely certain that it was the duty of a true believer to obtain the pleasure of Allah and His messenger, even if one’s life has to be bartered;
he had the peace of mind which gave him courage to sleep, while the naked swords were flashing to
strike him - a singular example of willing surrender to Allah’s will;

Commentary taken from
http://www.al-islam.org/quran/

Wa-Salamun-alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

Surah 3 – Verse 7
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Mohammad], the Book; in it are verses which are precise – they are the foundation of the Book – and others unspecific [those which are stated in such a way that they are open to more than one interpretation or whose meaning is known ONLY to Allah, such as opening letters of surahs] **As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord (disagreement) and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, “We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding **

Above is nothing but translation of verse with twists and turns to make the meaning fit the needs of Shia and that is it.

Where ever "HE" is mentioned in quran, do you think it automatically refers to Ali? Puh-leeeeez! NOTHING SPECIFIC that shows that it clearly says or refers to Ali.

May Allah give us the power to see the truth and follow Islam like Mohammad and his companions followed it. Ameen


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

hey watcher its always nice to read ur posts

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i still haven’t being able to figure out why each every of shias post are based on hatred, disrespect, accusations.

doesnot it gives u an idea where in Islam says to disrespect others.

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As-Salamun-Alaikum Brother

What hatred, disrespect, accusations, Can you actually pinpoint as to where in my pointing you found the above three things

Pace be with you

Wa-Salamun-alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

Peace and Blesings be on Muhammad and his progeny

Nick thanks but thank Allah for giving me ability to face the innovators that we have on gupshup. For giving me the ability to slap them with truth and facts which they cannot handle. Its always great…

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Salman, it seems you are new at gupshup. Why don’t you browse through the forum and see it your self. We are ashamed to pin-point the corruption[distortion of quranic verse] of people who do not reason.


V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

Nick, I asked the same question in my post"religion of hate".
Here is what I think historically.
I am not writing it from a islamic point of view but historical standpoint and no one has to subscribe to it.
Quaran did not mention anywhere clearly as to who will be the successor of prophet Muhammad and he himself did not mention it clearly and this is where problem arose. Shias say that he did but it was covered by other sahabas who did not want Ali to be the successor.
There was a struggle for power which started at the end of prophet Muhammad and soon two groups were formed. One was supporting Ali and rest were against him. Ali's supporter were few and they were oppressed. It led to a feeling of isolation which grew by the passage of time. Ali was able to get the power eventually but after his death, rift widened and more power play led to the death of his son who refused to accept the kingship of Yazid. Supporters of Ali and Hussain were humiliated in a power struggle. It led to development of severe hatred in the mind of their suppoerters and Shia religion developed.
This is why they hate other companions of Prophet so much and mourn the death of Hussain.Since Quran does not mention clearly about successor of Muhammad and there are so many interpretation of verses, anybody may claim that so and so person is metioned was in Quran, although it does not really matter who was mentioned. One thing is clear, no one was mentioned by name.
As for the sayings of prophet Muhammad, there are thousands of those but authenticity of all is marred by presence of innumerable false and fabricated sayings(Hadiths).
Sunnis would not accept Shia Hadiths and Shias reject all Sunni Hadiths.
There is no way they can agree on something because they dont accept one guideline.

As-Salamun-Alaykum

To analyze this

It is said that Holy Quran contains the knowledge of everything in the world(I don't know if its true or not).

However the Holy Quran dos not mention the number of rakaats for namaaz. Does that mean we should stop praying?

No, because hadith tell us that. Similarly hadith also tell us about the succesorship after the Prophet(SAWS).

As to shias only stating 'their hadith' to defend shiaism. That's not completely true.

There are still hadith from sunnie sources that clearly talk about the Ahl-al-Bait (AS) and the leadership of Imam Ali(AS) after Prophet Muhammad(SAWS).

Btw Shiasm is more a religon of 'love' then a religon of hatred. Love for the Ahl-Bayt(AS)

Anyways 'Analyze this' thanks for being non-biased towards shias

Peace be with you

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

Allah's peace and blessings be on Muhammad(SAWS)and his progeny(AS)

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Lets try to find out, how many sunnis books of Hadiths has mentioned Ali clearly(not ambiguously) being the successor of prophet Muhammad. Sunni usually call them Sihahe Sitta. Seven correct books. So it has to come from them and it has to clearly identify that Prophet Muhammad designated Ali as his successor. I know there are several hadiths praising Ali but that would not qualify because it does not prove anything since there are inummerable hadiths from same books praising other shabas too.

Speifically, Is Ghadir Khum proven by Sunni books or even by history books(not Shia books)?

Same can not be said about shia books since sunni dont have any such claims about any of the four first caliphs superior to others, although I guess Abu Bakr is most respected.

On a side note sunni claim to respect Ali equally as other three caliphs but why they don't accept his book:Nahjul Bilagha.

his book?

i don't recall hearing islam or the prophet (pbuh) mentioning us to follow another book.

why do we need 2?

As-Salamun-Alaikum

Actually Nahjul Balagha is taught in sunni schools of thought. This can be only confirmed by someone who's a scholar actually studying religon (Ahmad G?)

Don't get me wrong here we all follow One book Al-Quran

Nahj-Al-Balagha is a book that consists of Sermons, letters and sayings of Imam Ali(AS)

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

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and your point, analyze it and salman, in proving that Ali(R.A) was the successor to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)....?
does it mean that we should start hating all other sahabas and does it mean that true islam only ran through Ahl-e-Bayt...
sorry, but i find that a bit ridiculous... that our Prophet(PBUH) would strive his whole life for the spread of islam and he would leave it in a state where only his family would be following it 'the right way'...

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Nahj-Al-Balagha is a book that consists of Sermons, letters and sayings of Imam Ali(AS)
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Why would you need another book to follow the true path..? Quran and Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH)'s Hadith should be guidance enough...

btw.. yes i have read Nahj-ul-Balagha... and i found quite a few things in it which i couldn't believe Hazrat Ali(R.A) would(or could) have said...

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btw.. yes i have read Nahj-ul-Balagha... and i found quite a few things in it which i couldn't believe Hazrat Ali(R.A) would(or could) have said...**
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Please enlighten us ammar brother!

i borrowed the book from a friend.. i'll see if i can post something tommorow...
but it was something to do about how Hazrat Ali(R.A) said that women should always be under her husbands grasp and that we shouldn't give importance to them and that even if they do something right, we should put them down, otherwise they would think that they are too clever...

ps.. dont flame me on this topic, i don't wanna be involved in a discussion about nahj-ul-blagha being wrong... i couldn't quite believe everything that was in it...

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*Lets try to find out, how many sunnis books of Hadiths has mentioned Ali clearly(not ambiguously) being the successor of prophet Muhammad. *
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EXTRACT from PESHAWAR NIGHTS

Of all the hadith concerning the vicegerency of Ali, the hadith of Invitation is the most important. On the day the Prophet proclaimed his prophethood, he also proclaimed that Ali was his successor. The ulema of your sect, including Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Muwaffaq Bin Ahmad Khawarizmi, Abu Ja'far Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari, Ibn Abi'l-Hadid Mu'tazali and a host of others have reported that when verse 214 of the Chapter Shu'ara: "And warn your nearest relations," (26:214) was revealed, the Prophet invited forty of the Quraish, to Abu Talib's house. He put before them a leg of goat, some bread, and a cup of milk. They laughed and said: "O Muhammad! you have not served enough food for even one man." The holy Prophet said: "Begin eating in the name of Allah." When they had eaten and were fully satisfied, they said to each other: "Muhammad has bewitched you with this food." The Prophet stood up among them and said: "O descendants of Abdu'l-Muttalib! Allah Almighty has sent me as a messenger to the whole of creation in general and to you in particular. I invite you to make two statements which are light and easy for the tongue, but on the scale of action they are heavy. If you make the two statements, you will be masters of the lands of the Arabs and the non-Arabs. Through them you will go to Paradise and will obtain immunity from Hell. These two expressions are: first, to bear witness to Allah's Oneness, and second, to bear witness to my prophethood. The one who first of all acknowledges my call and helps me in my mission is my brother, my helper, my heir, and my successor after me."

The Prophet repeated the last sentence three times, and each time none except Ali responded to him, saying, "I will aid and help you, O Prophet of Allah!" So the Prophet declared: "This Ali is my brother, and he is my successor and Caliph among you."

CONFIRMATION BY SUNNI ULEMA
AND BY EUROPEAN WRITERS

Besides the Shia and Sunni ulema of Islam, many impartial historians of other nations have given the details of this feast. They had no religious bias, being neither Shias nor Sunnis. One of these writers is the nineteenth-century British historian and philosopher, Thomas Carlyle. In his "Heroes and Hero-worship" he described the details of the feast at Abu Talib's house. After the Prophet's statements, Ali stood and proclaimed his faith in the Prophet. Therefore, the caliphate was bestowed on him. Other European writers have confirmed this fact, including George Sale of England and Hashim, a Christian of Syria, in his Maqalatu'l-Islam, and Mr. John Davenport in his Muhammad and the Qur'an. All agree that the Prophet, immediately after the proclamation of his prophethood, called Ali his brother, helper, successor, and Caliph. Moreover, several hadith confirm that the Prophet emphasized this fact on many other occasions.

CLEAR HADITH ABOUT
THE CALIPHATE OF ALI

(1) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad and Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in Mawaddati'l-Qurba towards the end of the fourth Mawadda, have recorded that the Holy Prophet said, "O Ali! You shall discharge responsibilities on my behalf, and you are my Vicegerent over my following."

(2) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in Musnad, Ibn Maghazili Faqih Shafi'i in Manaqib and Tha'labi in his Tafsir (commentary) have reported that the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "O Ali! You are my brother, successor, vicegerent, and the payer of my debt."

(3) Abu Qasim Husain Bin Muhammad (Raghib Ispahani) in Mahadhiratu'l-Udaba wa Muhawaratu'sh-Shu'ara wa'l-Balagha (printed in Amira-e-Shazafiyya, Seyyed Husain Afandi, 1326 A.H.), part II, page 213, quotes from Ibn Malik that the Prophet said: "Verily, my friend, helper, Vicegerent, and the choicest of men whom I am leaving behind, who will pay my debt and fulfill my promise, is Ali Bin Abu Talib."

(4) Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani in Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, at the beginning of the sixth Mawadda, narrates from the second Caliph, Umar Bin Khattab, that when the Prophet established the relationship of brotherhood among the companions, he said: "This Ali is my brother in this world and in the Hereafter; he is my successor from among my kin and my Vicegerent among my umma; he is the heir of my knowledge and the payer of my debt; whatever he owes to me, I owe to him. His profit is my profit, and his loss is my loss; one who is his friend is my friend; one who is his enemy is my enemy."

(5) In the same Mawadda, he quotes a hadith from Anas bin Malik, which I have mentioned earlier. Toward its end he says that the Holy Prophet said, "He (Ali) is my Vicegerent and helper."

(6) Muhammad Bin Ganji Shafi'i quotes a hadith from Abu Dharr Ghifari in his book, Kifayatu't-Talib, that the Prophet said, "The flag of Ali, the commander of the believers, the leader of the bright-faced people, and my Vicegerent, will come to me at the Fountain of Kauthar."

(7) Baihaqi, Khatib Khawarizmi, and Ibn Maghazili Shafi'i write in their Manaqib that the Prophet said to Ali: "It is not proper that I depart from the people without you becoming my successor since you are the choicest of the believers after me."

(8) Imam Abu Abdu'r-Rahman Nisa'i, one of the Imams of the Six Books of Traditions, narrates in detail from Ibn Abbas the virtues of Ali in connection with hadith 23 in Khasa'isu'l-Alawi. After describing the rank of the prophet Aaron, the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "You are my Vicegerent after me for every believer."

This hadith and others in which the Holy Prophet used the phrase "after me" clearly prove that Ali was his immediate successor.

(9) There is the "Hadith of Creation," which has been narrated in different ways. Imam Bin Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani in Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Ibn Maghazili Shafi'i in Manaqib, and Dailami in Firdaus have quoted the Prophet as saying: "I and Ali were created of the same Divine Light 14,000 years before Adam was created. From the loins of the Prophet Adam and through his holy progeny, the Light was inherited by Abdu'l-Muttalib, and from him it was divided and inherited by Abdullah, (father of the Prophet) and Abu Talib, (father of Ali). I was granted prophethood, and Ali was granted the caliphate."

(10) Hafiz Abu Ja'far Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari (d.310 A.H.) writes in his Kitabu'l-Wilaya that the Prophet said in the beginning of his renowned address at Ghadir-e-Khum: "The angel Gabriel has conveyed Allah's command to me that I stop at this place and inform the people that Ali Bin Abu Talib is my brother, my successor, my Caliph (Vicegerent) after me. O men! Allah has made Ali your Wali (guardian), and Imam (guide). Obedience to him is obligatory on each one of you; his command is supreme; his utterance is truth; curse be on him who opposes him; Allah's mercy be on him who befriends him."

(11) Sheikh Sulayman Balkhi in Yanabiu'l-Mawadda reports from the Manaqib of Ahmad, and he from Ibn Abbas, a hadith which describes many of Ali's merits. I quote all of it. Ibn Abbas reports that the Prophet said: "O Ali, you are the bearer of my knowledge, my Wali and friend, my successor, the heir of my knowledge, and my Caliph. You are the trustee of the heritage of all the preceding prophets. You are the confidant of Allah on this earth and Allah's proof for the whole of creation. You are a pillar of Iman (faith) and the guardian of Islam. You are a lamp in darkness, a light of guidance, and for the people of the world you are a raised standard. O Ali! He who follows you is delivered; he who disobeys you will perish; you are the luminous way, and a straight path; you are the leader of pure men, and the head of the believers; to whomsoever I am Master (Maula), you are also his Master (Maula), and I am the Master of every believer (man or woman). Only he is your friend who is born of lawful wedlock. Allah did not transport me to the heavens to speak with me without telling me, 'O Muhammad! Convey my salutation to Ali and tell him that he is the Imam of my friends and the Light of worshippers.' Congratulations to you, O Ali, on this marvelous excellence."

(12) Abu Mu'ayyid Muwafiqu'd-Din, the best orator of Khawarizm, in his Faza'il of the Commander of the Faithful, printed in 1313 A.H., Chapter XIX, page 240, quotes the sources who reported that the Prophet said: "When I reached Sidratu'l-Muntaha ('the farthest Lote Tree,' the highest station during the Mi'raj), I was addressed thus: 'O Muhammad! When you tested the people, whom did you find the most obedient?' I said 'Ali.' Allah then said, 'You have told the truth, Muhammad!' Further, He said, 'Have you selected a Vicegerent who will convey your knowledge to the people, and teach my servants from My Book those things which they do not know?' I said, 'O Allah! Whomever you select, I will select.' He said, 'I have selected Ali for you. I make him your Vicegerent and successor.' And He furnished Ali with His knowledge and forbearance. He is the Commander of the Faithful whom no one can equal in rank among his predecessors or successors."

There are many such hadith in your authentic books. Some of your just ulema, like Nizzam Basri, have acknowledged this fact. Salahu'd-Din Safdi in his Wafa Bi'l-Wafiyya, in connection with the account of Ibrahim Bin Sayyar Bin Hani Basri, known as Nizzam Mu'tazali, says: "The Prophet of Allah confirmed the Imamate of Ali and appointed him the Imam (Guide). The companions of the Prophet were also fully aware of it, but Umar, for the sake of Abu Bakr, covered the Imamate of Ali with a curtain."

It is clear from your own books, hadith, and Qur'anic commentaries that Ali occupied the highest position of virtue. Khatib Khawarizmi reports from Ibn Abbas in Manaqib, Muhammad Bin Yusuf Ganji Shafi'i in his Kifayatu't-Talib, Sibt Ibn Jauzi in his Tadhkira, Ibn Sabbagh Maliki in Fusulu'l-Mawadda, Sulayman Balkhi Hanafi in Yanabiu'l-Mawadda and Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani in Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Mawadda V, quotation from the second Caliph, Umar Bin Khattab - all confirming with slight variations of words - that the Prophet said: "If all the trees were pens, if the seas were ink, if all the jinn and men were recorders - even then the virtues of Ali Bin Abu Talib could not be enumerated."

I haven't been on Gupshup much lately, and now that I did some in-detail reading here today, it is good to know that nothing has changed, least of all in the religion forum. It's the same old discussions that have been going on here since the last couple of months. The only difference is a bunch of new identities, however, with the same debates, changed style of writing.

Firstly Salman-, when quoting from the Quran nothing is more significant than making sure that whatever it is that is being quoted, is totally authentic without any addition or subtraction let alone twisting the meaning of the words. Beware, it's a great sin! I have thoroughly browsed thru the pages of all the Qurans I have, and not one carries the meaning you have written of a certain ayah. Instead this is what it says exactly, word to word,

{5:55} Verily, your Wali, (Protector or Helper) is none other than Allah, His Messenger, and the believers - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they are Raki'un (those who bow down or submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer).

As you have stated yourself, "In this verse the word wali has been used in the meaning of guardian or master or who holds authority superior to others." Keeping that connotation of the word in mind, only Allah SWT fits that description. He SWT is the guardian or the master, and only He holds authority superior to all. Humans are all equal in the eyes of Allah. They are nearer or far to Him depending on their deeds only, and their level of Taqwa.

What you write at the beginning of all your posts has caught my eye, "Peace and blesings be on Muhammad SAW and his Progeny." The exact meaning of the word "progeny" is offspring or product. If one daughter and her husband (PBUT) are considered Ahl e Bait, then all the other kids and their in-laws would be ahl e bait as well. Keeping that in mind, Hazrat Usman (PBUH) had been married to 2 of Prophet Muhammad SAW's daughters, therefore that automatically puts him RA in the ahl e bait category. Interesting. Another Caliph! Why should respect given to Hazrat Usman (PBUH) be any less compared to that given to Hazrat Ali (PBUH). And even though Hazrat Ayesha (PBUH) is not considered Ahl e bait by majority of the Faiqa e Jaffariya followers, (which I totally disagree with), why should the respect given to her be any less? She was the wife of the Prophet SAW afterall. And his SAW's most beloved. Also a very valid scholar who prepared the Islamic cream of the crop.

Ramesha, same goes out for you as well. This is (26:214) in it's accurate version: "And warn your tribe (O Muhammad SAW) of near kindred."

Narrated Ibn e 'Abbas' (PBUH): When the verse ""And warn your tribe (O Muhammad SAW) of near kindred," was revealed, Allah's Messenger SAW went out, ad when he ascended AS-Safa mountain, he shouted, "Ya Sahabah!" The people said, "Who is that?" Then they gathered around him, whereupon he said, "Do you see? If I inform you that cavalrymen are proceeding up the side of this mountain, will you believe me?" They said, "We have never heard you telling a lie." Then he said, "I am a plain warner to you of a coming severe punishment." Abu Lahab said, "May you perish! You gathered us only for this reason?" Then Abu Lahab went away. So Surat Al-Masad "Perish the hands of Abu Lahab!" was revealed. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Hadith No. 4971).

Evil is the parable of the people who rejected our ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, and signs, etc.) and used to wrong their ownselves. {7:177}

Keeping in mind the discussions going on in this forum, it won't be wrong to draw the conclusion that it is not the religion which has side tracked but the followers who have chosen to go astray. It is the holy month of Ramadan, I had thought perhaps things would get a little better here, and it is very heart-grieving to have to witness this state of Muslim Ummah even in the holiest of all months. There are greater issues in this world that need to be addressed than calling for the validity of Quran or Sunnah. Greater deeds which can be done to attain Allah SWT's pleasure, then to differentiate between His favorite men and women. All the sahabas and sahibiyaats were far greater people than us, who stuck by the Prophet SAW thru hardships we can not even begin to hallucinate. Who are we to differentiate between the most pious of Allah SWT's creations? Who are we to put to test or call upon the deeds of Umhtaul Momineens? Have we sunk so low as to question the deeds of our mothers, better in status and higher in rank than all women?

We should all take the month of Ramadan to promise to ourselves and to Allah SWT that we will better ourselves. It is very easy to sit at home infront of your computer all day and slap a bunch of words together on the screen seeking purpose nothing other than criticizing fellow muslims. If you wanna do something for the Ummah go out do Jihad. Fight for the cause of Allah SWT. Go help out our brothers in Palestine and Kashmir. Go save the integrity of your muslim sisters. If you wanna discuss something, talk about ways in which Ummah can be educated further. Talk about how Islam and science can work togther hands in hands for humanity. If you wanna correct others, attain correct knowledge, thru Quran and Sunnah, then go out give dawa.

What you are doing here on this forum is neither the purpose of this forum nor will it bring any betterment to Islam or Ummah in any way what so ever. Think about what you are doing. These are the final ten days of Ramadan, the least you can do is be respectful. And remember it is not Allah SWT who needs our prayers. We ourselves need our own prayers. Our prayers will only bring us salvation in the end.

I'll leave u with one ayat:

"On the day you shall see the believing men and the believing women: their light running forward before them and by their right hands. Glad tidings for you this Day! Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever! Truly, this is the great success." {57:12}

As-Salamun Alaikum sis(I am assuming)

I’ll try to answer 2 questions

1)Why Hazrat Aisha is not part of the Ahl-Al-Bayt

2)What do I exacrly mean by Peace and blessings on Muhammad(SAWS) and his ahlul bayt(AS)

I will appreciate your patience here

1)Why Hazrat Aisha was not part of the Ahl-Al-Bayt(AS)

IT is agreed by a majority of shia sunni scholars that the ahl-al-bayt includes the following people:
Muhammad(SAWS)
ALi(AS)
Bibi Fatima(AS)
Hasan(AS)
Husayn(AS)

I can actually provide you with proofs that the majority of the sunni scholars agree with the above.

Secondly Hazrat Aisha herself has testified in sahih muslim that following 5 people are in the ahl-bayt(AS).

the following verse in the Holy Quran talks about the ahl-bayt(AS)

1a)
Pickethall:…Allah’s wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household(ahl-al-bayt), and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing.(33:33)

Yusufali:…And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination(rijs) from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.(33:33)

Shakir:…Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness(rijs) from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.(33:33)

Now note 2 things about this verse
1)The word ‘people of the household’ is written as ‘ahl-al-bayt’ in arabic. check the arabic verison of this ayah
2)Allah(SWT)says that he wishes to remove uncleaness from the ahl-al-bayt (AS). now the word used for uncleaness in the Holy Quran is ‘rijz’. Now the word ‘rijz’ has been used in the Quran to both imply spiritual impurity and physical impurity in various other ayahs.
3)Allah(SWT) doesn’t specify that He’s removing physical cleaness from the Ahl-Al-Bayt(AS) but he just says ‘uncleaness’ now for those people who claim that Allah (SWT) only reomoved physical cleaness from the Ahlul Bayt(AS), they are wrong, because Allah(SWT) has not specified
4)Allah (SWT) in the end talks about a ‘thourough’ purification.A thourough purification implies removal of evry kind of impurity In other words he’s removing all types of purification from the Ahlul Bayt(AS)(spiritual/physical)

1b) proof AUTHENTIC SUNNI HADITH that ahl- bayt includes:Muhammad(SAWS)
ALi(AS)
Bibi Fatima(AS)
Hasan(AS)
Husayn(AS)

THE FOLLOWING AUTHENTIC AHADITH HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM SAHIH AL-MUSLIM

Chapter 9: THEE MERITS OF THE FAMILY OF THE PROPHET (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM)


Book 031, Number 5955:
'A’isha reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel’s hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)

and Sister believe me This hadith is authentic by sunni standards, 100% GUARANTEE

You can actually access this hadith at the following url:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/

Note:

1)This is a sunni website
2)This is also a very popular website. this websites contains ahadith form sahih muslim,bukhari,Sunan Abu-Dawud Malik’s Muwatta and also 40 hadith Qudsi

And sister its 100% GUARANTEE THAT YOU ASK ANY AHL-ALSUNNAH SCHOLAR ABOUT THE AHL-BAYT (AS) THEY’LL SAY THAT IT ONLY INCLUDES THE 5 PEOPLE as I MENTIONED

IF YOUR INETERESTED I CAN ACTUALLY PRESENT ‘QUOTES’ AND RULINGS FROM AHL-AL-SUNNAH SCHOLARS TAKEN FROM ASKIMAM.COM THAT CONFIRM WHAT I AM SAYING.

Btw if your still not satisfied and think that i am lying then go ahead ask the imam of your mosque and its my 100% guarantee that he will give you the exact same answer the ahl-al-bayt(AS) only consists of the 5 not the wives(peace be upon them) of the Prophet(SAWS)

So conclusion Hazrat Aisha, jsut like the other wives of the Prophet(SAWS) was not part of the ahl-al-bayt(AS)

Enjoy your eid

Peace be with you

Wa-Salamun-alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

Allah Humma Salley Ala Muhammaden Wa Aale Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be on Muhammad and his progeny(Aale Muhammad)[This is called durood shareef and both jafari and sunnischolars accept this]

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As-Salamun-Alaikum

And sister I agree with you when you say we should be united and focus on liberating palestine

          I AM FOR UNITY!

Its just that I hate when people disrupt unity amongst muslims by saying shias are kaafirs. Infact the only the reason why defend my beliefs is that when someone calls me a kaafir. I believe in
1 God,
1 book AS AUTHENTIC AND FAULTLESS(THE HOLY QURAN WHICH IS COMPLETE),
124, 000 PROPHETS, PROPHET (SAWS) BEING THE LAST PROPHET

Hey I am for unity just dont call me a kaafir

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Wa-Salamun-alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

Peace and Blessings be on Muhammad(SAWS) and his Progeny(AS)

As-Salamun-Alaikum

Brothers and sistesr we please visit this website
www.oneummah.net/www.1ummah.net

This a non-biased Muslim unity website. Both followers of Sunni and Shia Islam actively contribute to this website. Trust me if both shias and sunnis want to learn more about each others beliefs,they should go here. Everything here is non-biased. No false accusations or propaganda is used here. This is not a HATE WEBSITE.

Everyone enjoy your eid!

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

Rare diamons here is the Ayat 5;55 translation from
'The Holy Quran' which was published by
Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc. Let me know if you want references about the publisher.

Verily,693 Verily, your guardian(a) is (none else but) God and His Apostle (Muhammad) and those who believe,(b) those who establish prayer and pay the poor-rate while they be (even) bowing down (in prayer)

forgive me if i have a typo error
and here are the notes on the verse:

Almost all commentators including those of the Sunni School report that this verse was revealed about Amirul Momineen Ali while in prayer giving away a ring to a beggar. While Ali was in prayer in the Holy Prophet's Mosque in Madina, a man came to the Mosque and appealed for some charity. None attendded to him and the poor man was about to go away dejected and disappointed. Ali pointed his finger to him while he was in 'Ruku' (bowing), in prayer. The man took away the ring from Ali's finger. while this was done by Ali in the Mosque, this verse was revealed to the Holy Prophet in his room (Durre Mansur, Baidhavi, adn Tafsir-e-Hussainy).

This verse clearly lays down that guardians of the believers are only God, the Holy Prophet and Amirul Momineen Ali, son of Abu Taleb and the accentuation by the word 'Innama' renders the meaning – the decision of God as final and fixed, i.e, the decision of God is nothing else but that the Guardian of the believers should be God, His apostle (Muhammad) and the believers who give away charity while praying.  The construction of the sentence and the word 'Vali' being kept in sigular for all the three persons means that the 'Vilayat' or the guardianship of all the three is essentially one in nature as well as in effect adn there is not the least difference between them.  Hence the obedience to the Holy Prophet must be, as it should be to God and the obedience to Amirul Momineen Ali or any of his successors in the ‘Imamat’ as it should be to Holy Prophet.

The commentrators record this event of a poor man asking Ali while he was in prayer, took place simultaneous with the approach of Abdullah ibne Salaam and his party to the Holy Prophet complaining that the Jews had boycotted them.  This gave an opportunity to the early pro-Ommayyid commentators to distort the fact that it was revealed for Abdullah ibne salaam and his party.

(a) The word ‘Vali’ or ‘Maula’ used here, and by the Holy Prophet at Gadeer-e-Khum, and on the other occasions about Ali, has become a matter of controversy among the Muslim scholars after their unanimous agreement that Ali was singled out by the Holy Prophet, in the application of these two terms and on all occasions, here and else where, the Holy Prophet used it for himself and for Ali.

There is no doubt that these two terms are also used to mean a guard or authority and a helper and a friend but here there is no room for the latter sense because of the exclusive term ‘Innama’ associating the specific believer in God and the Holy Prophet in application of one and the same term as otherwise all the Muslims are the friends and the helpers of each other.

Some commentators have tried to discuss the grammatical structure of ‘Wa hom raakeoon’, i.e., bowing- which undoubtedly is an adverbial clause qualifying  the state or the manner  in which the alms were given.  Taking it as a conjunctive clause in which case this state which is included in the previous class ‘Youqeemus Salat’ becomes an unnecessary repetition.  The main point to be noted in this passage is that the verse really is an attempt to point out the condition required for a person to hold the authority and the guardianship over the believers next only to the Holy Prophet and God, is the highest state of the spritual attainment which makes the person able to, at one and the same time, be fully absorbed in witnessing the glory of the Absolute and meanwhile, be alive to the needs of the creatures and respond to it.  This is the state of which qualified one to be the medium between absolute and the finites, near to both at one and the same time.  This is the highest state possible for a man to reach.  Qur’an asserts the possibility of this, not for all the followers because all have been addressed in the same person (Kom) and the specific ones are class separately which means that this term cannot be without a significane.  In other words it is necessary that even Holy Prophet should be from a class of people of this attainment and no body has claimed this state for any one save Ali but continues to those who have been certified as Qur’an, the Holy Prophet and Ali to possess the said qualities in the Twelve Imams of the Ahlul-Bait and none else, and so in the same way that a plural usage of the person in Vr. 3;60(Mobaila), is applicable here also.

Thus the verse of Ali’s giving away the ring while in prayers explains the verse in its best sense, be it liked by any commentators or not.

Some may say that if Ali’s ‘Vilayat’ is asserted in Quran, what was the necessity of declaring it again at Ghadee-e-Khum.  The answer is that here is given plural justifying the application of the term to Ali and the declaration of Ghadeer-e-Khum was the occasion to take the people’s alligance and covenant from the people as was referred to in Verse 7.