Stop Crying booo-hoo, I told you guys that Tufeeq ain't going to do sheet, he can't play on pitches in Sri Lanka, he couldn't play in WC2003 or Sharjah. I think they should give someone else chance to play(Humanyu Farhat, Imran Farhat or Kamran Akmal, Saleem Elahi, Imran Nazir). If they want to keep Tufeeq they should let him come @ #4 or #5.
Fasial Iqbal is an aggressive player but he is not as good as Misbah, Javed wants him to play @ 3rd which is not an easy spot to play on, even the senior players don't want to play #3rd. I think Faisal should also go on #4th or 5th because he can play spinner better.
I think they should trying to bring Faisal Ather to see how he can play, but it is realy not fair to judge player by only giving then one or two chance.
I wonder, why they didn't give Saleem Elahi a chance? I think he can pair up with Mohd Hafeez as an opener, Instead of Tufeeq Umer I would give Humanyu Farhat, Imran Farhat or Kamran Akmal a chance to play as opener.
What is after Sri Lanka (Al Falah cup), England tour?
I don't from where but Pakistan has this stupid idea or left-right opening combination stuck in their head.
Other quality lineups have don't have that combo like India, Australia.
Taufeeq is strugling, I advise Faisal Iqbal should be coming at 4, and Youhana must play at 3.
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I wonder, why they didn't give Saleem Elahi a chance? I think he can pair up with Mohd Hafeez as an opener, Instead of Tufeeq Umer I would give Humanyu Farhat, Imran Farhat or Kamran Akmal a chance to play as opener.
What is after Sri Lanka (Al Falah cup), England tour?
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I'd definitely want to see one of those farhat brothers in the team.
faisal Iqbal, tufeeq, and even Yousaf should be dropped if the captain wants to select players based only on their performance.
mann…calm down
remember…its a ‘REBUILDING PROCESS’…u want them to win every match or what?
it was a good fight they put up compared to what the team had been doing before n during the world cup…giving up early!
youhanna gotta take some responsibility…hes a senior player…he must bat at 3 or they should bring back misbah…hes a good player n should be given more chances…i dunno y he was dropped in the first place!
Very irresponisble batting by Youhana and Rashid. Youhana needs to play at #3 and needs to take some responsibility. Such a classy player like him has really struggled so far in this tournament. And if Rashid didn't get out like he did by playing a very careless shot, Pakistan could have won. Pakistan still had more balls then the runs they needed to score so Rashid could have just knocked the ball around like he was.
Faisal Iqbal needs to be dropped. The guy has no technique and no confidence in his shots. I have been very dissapointed with Hafeez, before this tournament I heard a lot about him, but seeing him play int his tournament has really been a dissapointment. Taufeeq also has not played with any responsibility. The bowlers bowled well today, but gave away too many extras. If they hadn't given away so many extras, it would have been a different game since they only lost by 12 runs.
The main thing is, Taufeeq and Hafeez aren't going to do any good to the Pakistani opening pair. Opening is still a problem for Pakistan and so is the #3 spot. Youhana must play at #3 since Faisal has looked completly out of sorts.
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I don't from where but Pakistan has this stupid idea or left-right opening combination stuck in their head.
Other quality lineups have don't have that combo like India, Australia.
Taufeeq is strugling, I advise Faisal Iqbal should be coming at 4, and Youhana must play at 3.
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I know Javid Miandad is working on batsmans weakness but I haven't see any effort from Tufeeq Umer, Poor shot selection bad judgemnet.
I think Younis Khan should play on #3rd and YoYo should stay on 4th.
Team Aganist New Zealand should be mix of new and senior players, Denish should get a chance to play and i will give bring Faisal Ather & Yasir Hameed in mix.
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Bring back moin, or get another keeper, whatever it takes to get rid of Latif!!!
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You can't blame Latif or Faisal Iqbal for losing the game...........
We failed as a team and I think it shouldn't matter because we are building a team with 70% - 80% new players. Making mistake is part of the game and I think we should learn from our mistakes and take the next match seriously.
Faisal has palyed smart & Agressivly in the past, he is just not ready for #3rd spot he should be given a chance to learn, he should come on #4 or #5.
Misbah & Irmran Farhat should be brought back for the next tour, I will also bring Kamran Akmal for Tufeeq Umer.
You can't blame Latif or Faisal Iqbal for losing the game...........
We failed as a team and I think it shouldn't matter because we are building a team with 70% - 80% new players. Making mistake is part of the game and I think we should learn from our mistakes and take the next match seriously.
Faisal has palyed smart & Agressivly in the past, he is just not ready for #3rd spot he should be given a chance to learn, he should come on #4 or #5.
Misbah & Irmran Farhat should be brought back for the next tour, I will also bring Kamran Akmal for Tufeeq Umer.
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This is the first time I can and I want to blame Latif and Faisal for our teams failure....A captain must not act as foolish as Latif did today.
Still cant understand why Kaneria didnt play!
This is the first time I can and I want to blame Latif and Faisal for our teams failure....A captain must not act as foolish as Latif did today.
Still cant understand why Kaneria didnt play!
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I think the reason why Kaneria didn't get a chance to play is because of the tough compitition between bowlers. All the bowlers seem to be bowling well, sadly the same cannot be said about the batsmen. I think Shoaib is doing a good job being the only specialist spinner in the playing 11 and Hafeez is also not bad with his part time spinners. I believe our bowling is fine for now, and Shabbir looked much better than Umar Gul. The problem is the batting, they need to think about that. For now in every game, the bowlers have done their job. Its the batsmen who have let the team down. For the next game, the bowling line up should remain unchanged. But something must be done about the opening pair and #3.
When you have your oppostion at 50/5 then you MUST attack with your main bowlers but Rashid went for Shabbir and Razzak instead of Shoaib and Sami. That was the perfect chance to win the game but what a stupid decision by Rashid.
Taufiq and Faisal once again proved that they CAN’T play an ODI. Faisal’s running between the wickets is absolutely HORRBILE and his strike was 28.26 . Even a Test player’s strike rate would be better than that. Taufiq always looks nervous and plays too many silly shots and his strike rate isn’t too good either.
The extras were just unacceptable and Sami needs to pay serious attention to get straighten them out.
The team selection was also a bit puzzling.. why weren’t Faisal Athar and Danish Kaneria selected?
Okay, why are you guys start jumping on the conclusions? Pakistan lost it 'cause we gave extra runs and let's face it our batsmens' choked. Rashid Latif should not be blame for the loss of this match. It wasn't his fault. Mohammad Sami had his bad patch, continued with overstepping the line. So, bringing back Sami was out of question at the stage when Sri Lankans were 53/5. Shoaib Akhtar had a superb spell. So did Razzaq and Shabbir.
It all started off by sucidial run out of Taufeeq Umer. He has been giving too many chances; and hasn't been recovered from his footwork flaws either. Faisal Iqbal, well least say, the better. Youhana has been more worst since recent World Cup. He gave away his wicket to Muttiah. Younis Khan, I reckon, he could have survived but when he got out, match was almost out of Pakistan's hand. Shoaib Malik got himself hit-wicket with stupid foot work. Target was easy when Pakistan were 62/3 in 20 overs but our batsmens gave away their wickets.
By keeping in mind, as Pakistan team is in the process of rebuilding, I'd like to see Fasial Athar and Yasir Hammed replacing Faisal Iqbal and Taufeeq Umer. I don't even care whether this tournament Pakistan win or lose. I just wanna see how new guns perform.
What the hell is wrong with these idiots here on Gupshup, soon as a team loses, blame game starts, thats what us Pakistanis are good at.
Blame Sami, Latif, Faisal, can’t we take a defeat more maturely, this is the same side which has defeated Sri Lanka in the past 2 meetings, yes we played badly but it doesn’t mean to start the stupid desi blame game.
I wonder why some of our player choose money over our country.
Anyways, we played badly, still a new team, alot of corrections needs to be done, Sami had a bad day and he is a very good bowler.
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Three reasons for our defeat:
Gave away too many extras
Irresponsible batting by Youhanna
Irresponsible batting by Rashid.
As Yasir said above all he needed was to get singles rather then trying to hit boundaries. He should have known better, with all his experience.
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When you have someone like Muhammad Sami on the non striker's end and you are facing someone like Murali, chances are that a tailender won't last that long against Murali, Latif had to play a big shot to chase the total, chasing singles wouldn't have got the job done.
He took a risk which was justified and understandable.
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What the hell is wrong with these idiots here on Gupshup, soon as a team loses, blame game starts, thats what us Pakistanis are good at.
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common yaar, at least we have a right to point out a mistake. Sami's no balls has been going on for aeons now. You have to admit the extras cost us a match. We all love our Pakistani team and have faith in them but don't expect people to put a blind fold on and start forgiving continuous mistakes for the mere sake of taking a defeat.
common yaar, at least we have a right to point out a mistake. Sami's no balls has been going on for aeons now. You have to admit the extras cost us a match. We all love our Pakistani team and have faith in them but don't expect people to put a blind fold on and start forgiving continuous mistakes for the mere sake of taking a defeat.
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Its one thing pointing out mistakes in the team which I fully support but its another thing start blaming players for this lost.
We have to remember, this is a team which had combined experience of 690 matches while Sri Lanka had a combined experience of 1800 matches, thats a huge difference, us Pakistani audience need to understand that we are playing with a young team in unfamiliar conditions. Its a rebuilding process and it will take couple months of time for this team to be at the level of other international teams.
When you have someone like Muhammad Sami on the non striker's end and you are facing someone like Murali, chances are that a tailender won't last that long against Murali, Latif had to play a big shot to chase the total, chasing singles wouldn't have got the job done.
He took a risk which was justified and understandable.
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Thats where the experience and responsibility shoudl have come in. He should have worked the ball around and try to get them in singles and two's, rather then trying for boundaries.
When a team loses you are right to point out mistakes, not bury your head in the sand.
Having said that the pitch has a lot to do with it and the 199 scored by Pakistan in teh opening game is still the hightest score here. That tells you a lot.
For Pakistan to have a better chanceto reach the final.....New Zeland must either win the match or if they lose, they must lose in a way that SL gets a bonus point
coz if they lose without SL gettin a bonus point, they'll get one point n will be ahead of Pakistan n then Pak will be under pressure to beat them with a bonus point tomorrow
If they win however, then Pak will have to beat them by a good margin
so lets hope SL takes the bonus point!
That was the perfect chance to win the game but what a stupid decision by Rashid.
. Even a Test player’s strike rate would be better than that. Taufiq always looks nervous and plays too many silly shots and his strike rate isn’t too good either.