Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Series

Dar admits he wrongly adjudged Tendulkar out

More than a month after wrongly adjudging Sachin Tendulkar out caught behind in the final one-day international against England at Lord’s, umpire Aleem Dar has apologised, saying that it occurred due to a sudden lapse in concentration.

Tendulkar, batting on 30, was beaten while trying to drive a full-length delivery from Andrew Flintoff outside the off stump. However, replays showed that the bat had clipped the pad instead and Tendulkar stood long enough to register his bewilderment before slowly heading off. His wicket was a big blow for India as they were bowled out for a modest 188, losing by seven wickets and the series 4-3.

“Immediately after I gave Tendulkar caught by wicketkeeper Matt Prior off Andrew Flintoff I realised from his reaction that I had given a wrong decision,” Dar told IANS. “On that ball, Flintoff was very close to bowling a no-ball and as I was looking at his foot, my concentration was disturbed.”

Though he regretted the decision, Dar said he didn’t consider recalling Tendulkar as it was something he had never done before in his international career.

“Since I had never called any batsman after giving a decision I did not call him back,” he said. “So, if I were to call Tendulkar I would also call the last man if given wrongly out. I knew that match was the decider. And I was upset after giving that decision. It was a tough match.”

Dar said he had apologised to Tendulkar after the match. “After the game when players shake hands with the umpires, Tendulkar also shook my hands on the field. As he did that I said to him ‘hard luck’.”

SOURCE: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/316241.html

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

courage shown by dar....
news blown by cricinfo.... :)

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

This news is practically everywhere ...including your very own DAWN.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

dawn, jung normally gets their news from cricinfo :D

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

this news has been out for a while now
cricinfo was just late on it

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

Commendable act. Just because it was Tendulkar?? What happens to the other wrongful decisions?

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

^ there could be various reasons.

1- Media hype that Tendulkar was given out in an all important series decider game when he was in good touch. After all the conditions were perfect for media hype. Do you think media would have said anything if it was RP Singh getting out in an oridinary game. Umpires are also human and they also feel the media pressure when they know they have made a mistake and gave an extremely important wrong decision.

2- Additionally, umpires also have regard for well respected players and at time they are found apologizing to players like Lara, Tendi, Waugh just because of their stature and nothing else.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

The real question is, why wasn't Tendulkar penalized for showing dissent?

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

Okay...so as per Mr Dar....he realized "immediately" that he had made a wrong decision.

Now the question is why did he not recall Tendulkar....

He says ...because he has never recalled anybody.

Is that even a good reason.

This is not just for Aleem Dar...but for all Umpires...if an Umpire "immediately" realizes that he has made a mistake...what is the problem in changing his decision right-away.

Note that I am not referring to cases where Umpire makes a decision and the TV replays shows that the decision was wrong.....there I can understand the "human mistake" element of it. Here, however, I am talking about that "Human" himself realizing immediately that he had made an error in judgement...so why not recall. The honest reason for not doing so would be that the Umpire does not want to make a fool of himself by doing so..that's all. All other justification is BULL.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

I don't believe he actually showed any dissent. When finger was raised Tendulkar stood his ground, staring at Dar for very brief moment. 'Dissent' comes from criticizing the umpire's behavior on and off the field, questioning the judgment of making a certain call. If I gather correctly, Tendulkar did not show any signs of disrespect towards Aleem Dar's decision. It caught us all by surprise.

In a way, I am glad for the fact that Tendulkar did what he did; stood his ground, which, in turn, made Dar realize that he had committed a blunder. If Tendulkar hadn't done so, there would be no chance of Dar coming out and publicly apologizing, even though he knew he made a mistake.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

It brought a question to my mind after reading what you have mentioned; if an umpire chooses to recall a certain player after the decision has been given under any match circumstances, would that "new" decision be counted in the column of "correct decisions" or "wrong decisions" (Since ICC places an emphasis on the number - percentage - of correct decisions made by each umpire for them to be able to maintain their position and ranking within the ICC - 'elite' group, for instance)?

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All I can say, is that "it all balances out" eventually. I have seen it where Tendulkar (or other players) have "Not" been given out even though they were out for sure. In cricket, sometimes, luck favors you, while other times it doesn't. Nicley put by Dar as "Hard Luck".

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

That is how most people justify wrong decisions.

And this is 'politically correct' nonsense that the commentators seek refuge in.

IT NEVER BALANCES OUT "IN THE END".

The opposing teams never get an equal number of bad decisions against them and even if they did, realistically they would hardly ever have an exactly equal impact to the end result. A wrong decision against Tendulkar is NOT EQUAL TO a wrong decision against Matt Prior, for example.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

I am pretty sure that if someone says to me "hard luck" at the end of the match, I wouldn't take it to mean "oops, sorry, I made a wrong decision to give you out. My bad!".

Secondly, "dissent" as implemented by ICC in recent years, doesn't mean glaring at the umpire, or yelling and arguing with the umpire. It simply means just staying on the crease for a few minutes to register your view that umpire is wrong.

Thirdly, I have only seen an opposing captain recalling a batsman, after umpire has given him out (Imran Khan comes to mind). In all my years of watching international cricket, I have never seen an international umpire recall a batsmen because the umpire realized he goofed up. Not sure if ICC should step-in to give courage to umpires that they should do that... and that this won't be a black mark on their careers.

Lastly, to say that bad decisions balance out, because Tendu is not given out inside India (or elsewhere), is a silly argument. Top level cricket is highly competitive. And we should strive to get maximum correct decisions (may be, by way of implementing NFL style limited number of opposing coach challenges etc), and not worry about wrong decisions "balancing" each other out in the long term.

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This is the part I have problems with.

ICC expects players to have absolutely no emotions. In other words, ICC thinks that players are just not human beings.

I mean...most batsmen put so much focus/concentration into their batting...sometimes they are fighting to remain in the team and so giving it their best.....and then suddenly up goes the Umpire's fingers for no fault of theirs...how realistic is it to expect the batsman to turn-around and just walk back to the pavillion as if nothing has happened.

Basically ICC seems to be saying....look Mr Batsman..... Umpire will make mistakes...but you are supposed to accept their mistakes with a straight face and not embarass the Umpire on his mistake.

Come on....I have seen people in offices who get worked up by far less significant events...shouldn't these players for whom the ground is the office be allowed to show their emotions when their performance is unfairly judged.

Dissent/gestures against Referee decision in Soccer does not immediately result in a CARD unless it begins to disrupt the run of play, why should the Umpires in Cricket have it any easier.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

Thanks for your mention, you are absolutely right on that. I was unsure as to what the specifics were listed as it implied in this scenario. The exact description stated in the code of conduct of showing dissent at an umpire's decision is the following:

"Includes excessive, obvious disappointment with an umpire’s decision, an obvious delay in resuming play or leaving the wicket, shaking the head, pointing or looking at the inside edge when given out lbw, pointing to the pad or rubbing the shoulder when caught behind, snatching the cap from the umpire, requesting a referral to the TV umpire, a bowler or fielder arguing or entering into a prolonged discussion with the umpire about his decision"

I am just peeved at the fact that we have to live with rubbish no-ball rule while greater issues are at large. Embracing technology is an agenda that should be a priority in today's day and age, yet those who choose to surround themselves in making this game more robotic never get the wind of it. The god-given right given to the umpires have brought down the competitiveness nature of the sport and have made sure that people who are responsible for controlling this game also make a mockery of it in a split-second decision.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

At least he admits he made mistake, most umpires never admit they made wrong decisions.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

The fact is, the game is highly stacked in batsmen's favor and most bastsmen ARE cheats. They hardly ever walk these days, despite being obviously out. If there were a nick, the batsman would wait for the umpire to give him out rather than walking himself. If the umpire doesn't give him out, well, good luck to them and tough luck for the fielding team. If they gladly accept a wrong decision in their favor, they have no right to STAY at the crease and glare at the umpire when given out wrongly.

If the fielding team knowingly claims a false catch, they are fined and penalised. Case in point, Rashid Latif in the 2003-2004 series against South Africa. Why is it OK for the batsman to stay at the crease knowing that he got a nick when there's a heavy penalty for the fielder for knowingly claim a false catch?

I wonder if Tendulkar actually had a nick and was given not out, would he have gone to the umpire and the opposing captain after the game and said "Hard Luck".

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

^ The kind of behavior you mentioned happens in every aspect of life and so also in sports.

When was the last time, you saw a tennis player owning up to a wrongly made line call that went in his/her favor....but I am sure you have seen the same player rushing to the referee if he/she thought that a call was wrongly made against him/her.

Regardless of Tendulkar, all I am saying is that it is natural for a "HUMAN BEING" to show some amount of "frustration" when wrongly adjudged. Not every person is a ZEN MASTER.

ICC penalizing players for even "staring back at the Umpire" is stretching a "gentle-man" game a bit too far.

Re: Aleem Dar admits of wrongly adjudging Tendi out during the last ODI of Natwest Se

This discussion is taking the beating because it includes a Pakistani umpire and an Indian player. Muslims all over the world are feeling sorry for Tendu “hard luck” :cb: