I just want to know, is it haram also?
You know, like they use wine and other kinda alcohols in different kinda foods.
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**I just want to know, is it haram also?
You know, like they use wine and other kinda alcohols in different kinda foods.
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I think its haram becuase alcohals is haram. Simple analogy is Will you eat any food with ham or pork?? the answer would be NO.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
I think he means, when it is used in cooking as alcohol evaporates on heating or exposure to the atmosphere.
i would assume so..i mean it alcohol has been used so it should be haram.. esp if it appears in the ingredients list.
can i just add that "walkers" cheese and onion crisp contain animal rennet so we cant eat those can we?
i never knew this until someone mentioned it a few days ago..
anyway it put me off walkers, i go around checking ingredients of food i buy now.
I used to like using vinegar on my salads with my food. But about 3 or 4 years ago I found out that there is alcohal in the vinegar as well, so now I use fresh lemon juice on my salad. Trouble is that here in india all the information about every thing is controlled in the hands of the hindus and you have to make an effort to find out anything. I hope things are different in Pakistan.
A couple of years ago, I went to UK to visit my relatives. I found that they had no problem about consuming onions pickled in vinegar and also vinegar on their fish and chips. They were amazed when I told them that there is alcohal in the vinegar and stopped using the stuff. It does not matter how much, consumption of any ammount of alcohal is forbidden for us.
Plain Vinegar is simply a dilute form of acetic acid, which itself is not an alcohol, but it is derived from alcohol.
Common ways of making vinegar include the alcoholic fermentation of yeast or of bacteria.
However, many varieties of vinegar include alcohols and spirits.
umm okay
sorry to burst your bubbles
but usually if you use alcohol with food its for flavouring and not for getting tun
and most dishes that have alcohol in the recipe require high heat
the alcohol evaporates leaving behind just the taste
blah blah and blah
have fun
well said
It’s not right or wrong
Its different …and
Different is hard to admit.
is alcohol haram? really?
the list of consummates defined by quran as haram does not contain alcohol. however it does means to say that in higher quantity it disturbs the brain function and thus effects the normal reaction of an individual, so it should be avoided. i would like to see where this concept absolute prohibition emerged?
its true, medically speaking upon regular consumption, it has more drawbacks than not a single positive aspect. from dementia to mania to cirrhosis to infarction. you name it. its worse than a cancer. every year the us government spent one trillion dollars on alcohol patients. imagine this revenue can convert villages to cities. not only health wise but also economically it is a burden on an individual and on society evenly.
for medicinal purpose alcohol has been used all over the world for ages even by muslims scientists and physicians. today number of over the counter medicines for example cough and cold syrups contains alcohol as base ingredient. and almost all of homeopath medicines are dissolved in 75-90% concentrated alcohol. even in pakistan, people in the cold climate areas feed their babies with brandy as it prevents them from hypothermia. the gripe-water a very common laxative and digestive for kids, also contains alcohol as solvent. and the list goes on.
alcohol is highly volatile substance, which evaporates on standing and on high temperature it evaporates at a higher rate leaving its flavor in the recipe, which in no way effects the normal brain metabolism.
as chanchal and husain says, for cooking purpose there is no harm in using alcohol as it is used for adding flavor in it and not for khumaar. for recreational purpose i definitely agrees it should not be consumed.
hey chanchal have you ever tried wine-vinegar on chicken tikka?
marinade it over night and enjoy. its yummy for my tummy.
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Tikka with wine?
kinda doesnt fit
Tikka with garma garma naan and raita sounds tantalizing and mouth watering
but tikka with wine umm sounds blant
Now steak with a wine marinade or a stir fry with a splash of red sounds good
no wonder pechscians are so (…………).
bawaqoof larki, dbo ker khanay ko kon kah raha hai, I said masalay mein wine-vinegar milao, and marinade it for the night, barbeque it next day.
This is what Nanga posted:
"is alcohol haram? really?
the list of consummates defined by quran as haram does not contain alcohol. however it does means to say that in higher quantity it disturbs the brain function and thus effects the normal reaction of an individual, so it should be avoided. i would like to see where this concept absolute prohibition emerged?"
To Nanga:
I cannot believe what you have just posted. I have told you before and I'll tell you again...you need to read up on Islam. I hate to say this but your knowledge is very shallow. Are you a Muslim? If you just read the Holy Quran, you will find that "strong drink" is prohibited. This is noted in the Quran numerous time. All Muslims know this. Nobody denies this fact no matter what sect they are from, as long as they are Muslims.
Nanga, in the future please do not post stupid comments like this.
shakir don’t fire blank shots, please show me a few examples. I will appreciate that.
{PS} read my view again.
Alcohal is an evil and is forbidden. It is very harmful. In Surah al-Maidah of the Noble Book, Allah has said,
"They ask you what is lawful for them. Say, 'Lawful unto you are the good, wholesome foods" (al-Maida 4).
In Surnh al-Araf, Allah has stated in describing the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
"[He] who permits for them good things and prohibits for them as unlawful all evil things" (al-Araf 157).
There is no doubt that alcohal is one of the evils, unwholesome things. It is obligatory upon every muslim not to consume alcohal and stay away from it in obedience to Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him). He must also avoid any cause of Allah's displeasure and he must safeguard the well-being of his religion and his health as well as deal with his family in a proper manner.
On the second let me clear my statement. I am not talking about ‘alcoholism’.
[nanga] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa then again doesnt sound ummm tikkaish
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On the second let me clear my statement. I am not talking about ‘alcoholism’.
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umm so should they be taught the difference between use and abuse?
Alcohol is prohibited in Islam. No matter what the quantity of is. We can therefore deduce that it is also not allowed in food. Alcohol however was not always prohibited. It was actually prohibited sometime after our Prophet (pbuh) migrated to Madina. Prohibition was ordered after a Muslim killed his own brother while being in an intoxicated state. After alcohol was forbidden all Muslims in Madine threw away theiralcohol. People used to consume so much alcohol uptil that time that when they threw away the alcohol, the streets seemed to be flooded.
Nanga wants to know where does it say that alcohol is forbidden?Please read the Quran.
He is talking about alcohol in medicine. Well, alcohol is allowed only in the form of medicine. That is, you can take it in the form of cough syrup or whatever.
Also one thing about pork, it is also forbidden. Nanga, please don,t ask me to show you where it says that!
Pork is allowed only when you have no other choice. In other words when that is the only thing that's available and you are dying of starvation. As you all know that saving your life is "Farz".
There you have it. That's the truth about alcohol. If anybody has any comments or questions, please feel free.
Allah Hafiz.
now shakir you are changing your opinion. at first you emphasizes that it is absolutely prohibited now you are saying in medicines it is allowed. anyways do you know how much quantity they use in medicine. try two teaspoon full of a high potency benadryl cough syrup and see how you are doped for the whole day.
contrary to all that, put few drops of wine-vinegar on your palm, stay there for few min. what you see? nothing. now lick your palm, what do you feel? intoxicated?
i am talking about its flavor and not ethical and moral demerits that occurs by its consumption. in quantities which i am referring in absolutely no way effect any part of human body physically or behaviorally. even the amount used in cooking is less than the amount present in medicines.
sir when a splash of red in frying pan is cooked at a temp greater than 78.5°c, the structure of ethanol disintegrates and evaporates in vapors leaving behind residual flavor.
some residual compounds which leaves a peculiar flavor includes terpenes such as linalool, which gives a citrus-like zest. while acetic acid (which gives a vinegary taste) and glycerol (which gives a smooth savor) generated during fermentation also leaves a distinctive taste. certain compounds like anthocyanins which are used to authenticate a wine's region of origin are actually glucosides of anthocyanidins (polyhydroxy derivatives of flavanols). a natural constituents of plants. they are also responsible for astringent flavor and color.
shakir, i am muslim, i believe in what islam says. quran is talking about habitual consumption, its intoxication and its repercussions on an individual and the society, ethically and morally.
i hope you understand my point. please look twice before reciting fatwas on others.
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narrow interpretation of religen
is not practical. in the future we may be walking around with pig heart kidneys
and other parts. sometimes we have to outgrow the strict religious interpretation.
survival is the basic instinct of humans and animals in the real world. we cant live our
lives follwing any religious book thing are changing fast . adaptation is key to survival
humans survived thousands of years before
all the religens and the messengers came to this earth. how can you follow a religious
dietary rules when you living in harsh
condtions in hostile environment like
pre-historic periods. you got to eat anything to survive. our human ancestors would not have survived if they have followed
any strict interpretation of religious laws.
I believe that most alims permit the use of vinegar (isn't it also sunnah to use vinegar?) because none of the alcohol remains. Anyone with more information on this?
Ask an organic chemist how much alcohol remains after the fermentation process towards vinegar has been completed and he will tell you that none remains. The chemical process, once started, goes on until completed. Also it may surprise you but trace amounts of alcohol exist in many foods that we normally eat.
THe use of pig fat in food and that of alcohol are two different things. THe original matter remains in the case of pig fat, it cannot evaporate and any chemical analysis will show its presence whereas if you use alcohol to cook with it evaporates and none of it is traceable on chemical analysis although other parts of the substance can still be found. That is, in cooking one usually uses wine: 12% alcohol max, the rest is other stuff from the grapes, which may evaporate only partially... but the alcohol does....
so judge for yourselves.