Re: Alcohol and Prayer...
Not really my expertise or concern since I believe God will accept your prayers at any time if they are sincere and offered from the heart. I have prayed many a times while under the influence. But I guess I am one step further in kafir land since I believe spontaneous, sincere prayers are more meaningful than scheduled, symbolic prayer rituals..
Even though the word prayes has been used several times in this post but there is difference in the meaning of this word which Seminole did not understand or could not grasp.
1-Praying before Allah is a sacred act for a muslim. If it is not the same case for anyone else then its not the fault of musims.
2- Prayer word, what is discussed here is Namaaz or Salaat which Seminole has absolutely no grasp about.
3- The issue is not the prayer what many think is a gesture of raising hands and asking something from Allah (Dua).
4-The issue is exactly the same as it is described in Quran. Meaning performing prayer five times.
5- Having alcohol in the system as it was asked in the beginning is NOT ALLOWED in Islam as per Quran. I hope that should be the end of this silly question and discussion.
But this hadith is an example of how these 'reported sayings' can give such dire consequences and IMO poor advice on such important matters. After the 4th prayer under the influence you are not forgiven and sent to hell? That is incomprehensible. Alcoholsim is a disease. Ad addictive disease. It can take years of therapy and life long dedication to become free of it. And here it says, as if it is fact, that you are going to hell for violating this rule 4 times. .
Agreeing or disagreeing to narrated hadith is not the discussion of this thread.
I have never received the answer - when were these 'reported sayings' revealed to the prophet? If they were revelations from God, why didn't they make it to the protected promise of the Quran? If they weren't revelations from God, are we to assume the prophet had this knowledge implanted in him? It had to be one or the other for his 'reported' words to be given God-like status.
This question must be asked in appropiriate place NOT here. I suspect Seminole looked for the answer for this question at all the WRONG places.
OFF TOPIC but NOT away from Seminole post:
Islam does not teach someone to be sure of going to heaven regardless of what someone does or not. This is excluding 10 people during the life of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH and other Prophets of Allah. This is contradictory to non-muslim teaching where one is given so called SALVATION if one believes Jesus was the son of God and whatever.
In my opinion based on Islamic values I cannot say if prayer will be(remind you and the original poster of this thread) accepted or not accepted if one has alcohol in the system meaning blood or brain.
Many people without being infuenced by alcohol or whatever may not get their praye accepted if they did not abide with islamic teachings and what Allah expects them to do including so called islamic scholars and so called pious people.
Accepted and allowed are two different scenarios and meanings.
According to Quran it is not allowed to consume Alcohol and also it is not allowed to consume alcohol before prayer.
Its just not good to go against the will of Allah knowingly and expect good result.
Now....................Its always up to Allah to accept or not accept something.
A secretary cannot and never assure a candidate that the boss will definitely accept the candidate for the job.
I do hope that with all the mercy Allah will continue to guide us the right way.
Hope my point is gotten across.
i just cant help myself.