Can one pray when they have alcohol or any other intoxicants in their system?..
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I think the answer will depend on the criteria if its** Voluntary (Drinking) or **involuntary (i.e. effect of drugs or medicine or something similar*)* ?
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No they cant ..its mamnoo .. all the way .. no matter what ..
and in such cases as JB has described in when its effects of medicines then there is Rukhsati that one can leave the prayer at the time which is supposed to be prayed and make up for it afterwards ..
and in the case where there are alcohol etc in yur body not due to medicines then .. namaz is not worth prayying cos ...Alcohol is haraam and to have something in ones body which is intoxicant, and namaz is prayed with full hosh o hawaas .. full mind and soul attention and focus and if thats not achieved then namaz not worth reading and even if its prayed it would have to be repeated.
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According to holy quran you should not go for prayers (salaat, namaz) or enter into masjid when you are 'under the influence' of any intoxicant, be it heroin, dope, wine. It does not say anything about being present in your system.
According to my understaning any medicine which may not contain alcohol may very well be an intoxicant. and you remain under it influence for some time. But it does not make it haram or anything like that, becuase it is a medicine for specific purpose.
Street kids in pakistan inhale a specific glue named samad bond for cheap addiction, it makes it an intoxicant and gives them temporary pleasure, but at the same time the glue is not made for this purpose. it has one and only purpose which is to stick things together. Similarly medicines prescribed by medical practitioners have a definate purpose which is to help in recovery of immune system, they are not meant for intoxication.
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a person shud not pray if he/she is not fully conscious whether it be due to drinking, medicine, sleeping whatever....
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First I thought what an unnecessary and inflammatory question. But then as I thought some more, it gets complicated. Here is why.The reason why alcohol is prohibited in the first place is because it leads to inpurity of mind and body.But then prayer is supposed to purify the impure, so.Most importantly dilemna is this - if somebody is drunk and still wants to and goes to pray, obviously the alcohol has not made them impure, in spite of the drunk conditions. So in a way they are stronger in faith than others and so should be fine to pray.That's my opinion.
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^^
In Islam personal opinions dont count and you are not a mujtahid to do ijtehad.
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Bhai khanbaba - That criteria could also be applied to you, as I am sure you yourself are also not an authority on Islam too..
learn to hear (and bear) other's opinions and views
TA just posted his thoughts and mentioned that it was his PERSONAL opinion
I will give him some credit for at least putting a thought provoking element in this topic, however ridiculous it may sound to people with PURE minds, but it deserves a fair answer based on references and evidence.
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^that being said personal opinions dont count in comparison to religious ruling. i guess NbN was asking for religious ruling?
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Bhai khanbaba - That criteria could also be applied to you, as I am sure you yourself are also not an authority on Islam too..
learn to hear (and bear) other's opinions and views
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Thats why I never give my personal opinons when it comes to religion or start by saying "I think".
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{edit} no need to get nasty, he is just asking a question for knowledge, not for practice - Code Red ]
if yes then whether u pray or not…done worry u wont b punished for dat 
(special/ mental disorder base cases are not bound practice religion :))
(prayers nourishes ones soul, A Hadith 
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Thats why I never give my personal opinons when it comes to religion or start by saying "I think".
How is it possible for you to use terms such as I and My and not say it is not personal opinion? Secondly, can you show me what and where it is said that personal opinions do not count? If they don't the there is no difference between sinners and others.Finally you are a person whether you like it or not. So all your opinions are personal opinions. Now if you don't express them, wouldn't that mean you're hiding oe being dishonest from yourslef?Ps. Pls don't interpret any of above as disrespectful to you. I'm just engaging in a debate of substance
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First I thought what an unnecessary and inflammatory question. But then as I thought some more, it gets complicated. Here is why.The reason why alcohol is prohibited in the first place is because it leads to inpurity of mind and body.But then prayer is supposed to purify the impure, so.Most importantly dilemna is this - if somebody is drunk and still wants to and goes to pray, obviously the alcohol has not made them impure, in spite of the drunk conditions. So in a way they are stronger in faith than others and so should be fine to pray.That's my opinion.
Peace Tariq Akhtar
It may seem to you at a glance that you are correct, but I'm afraid you are not. Here is why:
Alcohol was not prohibited because it LEADS to impurity of mind and body. Alcohol IS the impurity when inside the body. Alcohol kills cells.
Secondly, you say prayer is supposed to purify the impure. Again this is inaccurate. Praying regularly prevents going or staying in a state of impurity because one has to be free of alcohol and also be in a state where wudu is valid. i.e. not junoob. Salat is the contact prayer which means when we pray we enter the Presence of God. How can we do this without first being pure? It is the wudu that purifies for us our outer body and symbolically our spirits, but inner body purification after the consumption of alcohol is a duration of time. Usually people report 40 days for this.
Based on the clarification the further deductions you have made are now meaningless as drunk individual who approaches prayer may have the mind to pray but he won't have the body to pray. Likewise the slacker may have the body to pray but will not have the mind to pray. The way to get into routine for prayer is to keep the company of those who pray regularly and try to pray in jammat.
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Surah 4, Verse 43 in the Quran speaks about people not praying until they have a clear mind so they can actually understand what they are saying.
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croquet & khanbaba !
There is nothing wrong in sharing personal opinion in religion as long as you mention it as your own thoughts and are not enforcing it on other. Now please concentrate on the topic and not the poster.
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"O you who believe! Do not come to prayer with a befogged mind, but come to prayer when you can fully understand all that you say."
(SURAH 4:43)
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croquet & khanbaba !
There is nothing wrong in sharing personal opinion in religion as long as you mention it as your own thoughts and are not enforcing it on other. Now please concentrate on the topic and not the poster.
i have no problem with that. matter of fact i appreciate that he is posting his thoughts as his thoughts i was merely saying that religious ruling supercedes our thoughts. any issues?
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**religious ruling supercedes our thoughts. any issues?
**I dont see any major constituency, either :)
Islam promotes robust thought process and aspires intriguing minds to rationalize its commands for broader understanding of its infinite wisdom.
If you read again, Tariq Akhtar posed a fairly logical and reasonable question. and it should be answered in same spirit.
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Psyah: nicely laid out and well argued counter point. I agree with you. It just makes good sense that you don't go to pray drunk. That said, if you are drunk, I do feel it is better you go pray which is God's activity, rather than something else which is devil's activity.Croquet - I do not subscribe to the theory that personal thoughts are ineferior to religious rulings, for a couple of reasons:1. It gives many people excuse to do irrational things in the name of what they interpret as religion rule.2. I think peiople are completely capable for forming sound opinions which need not be
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religious ruling supercedes our thoughts. any issues?
I dont see any major constituency, either :)
Islam promotes robust thought process and aspires intruiging minds to rationalize of its commands for broader understanding of its infinite wisdom.
If you read again, Tariq Akhtar posed a fairly logical and reasonable question. and it should be answered in same spirit.
understandably, but for one to research further one has to learn the basic principles of the religion. as i said if i came across as i have trouble with any one posting a query regarding religious ruling then that is not the case. i just believe that people who have invested a better portion of their lives studying the hows and whats of religion are better suited than any of us here passing a ruling. That belief is based upon basic school of thought in islam. Besides i was edging towards answering NbN query rather than TA.