Alcohol and Prayer...

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  1. One can apply the same logic to personal thought process, million of people can interpret religion in million of different manner. If ulemas are prone to misinterpreting the religion through ruling than what protects an average joe from making a drastic mistake?

2.If that was the case Allah would have just revealed the Quran e pak without any apostle. And Prophet saw would have just recited Quran and nothing else. Human understanding is fallible thus further education is needed that is where sunnah ,fiqh and sharaih enter the equation. And some people out there invest a considerable amount of time in researching,confirming and studying religion.

One can have queries and questions but dismissing religious rulings is as bad as it gets on mere personal thought process. One needs to research, its possible if you have trouble accepting something then it might be a controversial topic and have various ulemas commenting on it as well.

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I see so many thoughts and posts posted for a clearly and I say again CLEARLY a STUPID and UNEDUCATED and ILL-INFORMED, SO-CALLED QUESTION by thread starter.

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Quran says and everyone can read Quran and its translation that alcohol and prayer do not mix together.

Silly question and just a waste of BYTES.

Please close this thread. Thanks.

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^ Hi Croquet - this is how I'd addres your 2 points.

on #1: why do you think millions of people will interpret million ways? even if so, why would you assume it would all be the wrong way? Imagine: wouldn't it be wonderful if those millions of people actuall feel such one on one close relationship with God that such 'personal interpretaions' will bring about? Just like even though it is the same website, people 'personalize' to their needs, The services offered by the website are the same but we all feel we are individually served.

on #2: How do you know Allah would have done that as you say? Isn't that a bit presumptuous?

I don't like the fact that one has to, but frankly speaking I have come to the conclusion over the past few years that I would rather 'dismiss' (your words) so called relugious 'rulings' handed over by a bunch of people who claim to know God better that me! They are all so subjective, agenda driven and so may are so self-serving that I thank God I have been given the ability to reject and dismiss them and have a more personal experience about God through my own thinking

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^yes well that has certainly brought us together. so much for profound debate :rolleyes:

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^I bet Tariq never opened the Book of Allah which prohibited being intoxicated while praying.

I see no single religion condone this. Case closed.

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The arguments are being made for argument sake only.

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betting is allowed is it?

I feel flattered that after being presumptuous about God, next they are presumptuous about me.

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and i see lovely bit of generalizing here by the use of 'they'
being politically correct isnt always as easy as imagined by some of us.

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@ code Red

i m not mad at all, neither i m over reacting..have a close look to his question.

Nauthy by nature knows very well dat they are bad for health, but still asking such a remarkable question is really out of my reach. its common sense u know Prayers make ur inner n outer “paak n saaf”.whereas how consuming alcohol or other prohibited stuff will reach u to feel dat depth will b my question:bummer:?

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I would suggest you folks not to read too much between the line, there is nothign in it.

One should ask questions regardless if they are silly or remarkable. I am astonished by the poster's response. who, instead of answering this simple question in simple manner, seems to be way overreacting to a harmless question.

If you read my first response i have explained that many legal medical drugs at time make your head spinning uncontrolably, such as hi potency Antibiotic at teh time of illness, that your feel dizzy and out of your senses. The verse 4:43 speaks in particular about the 'state of mind'. When one in not in his/her senses either due to consuming intoxicant or due to various medical conditions.

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To those that criticised the thread its a simple question and Deedawar learn some manners...
The question for the sake of clairty is in relation to simply having alcohol in your system as opposed to being intoxicated?...
So say a guys had a drink and then he needs to pray but hes not intoxicated then is he still able to pray?...

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Peace zobia

I tried to suggest before that we need to be paak and saaf before we stand up for Salaat. Salaat is ibadat that we do in the Presence of Allah and we are all talking about why we need to be clean before we appraoch Him, whilst most of us won’t batter an eye lid to wear our best clothes when appearing infront of a wordly leader or appearing on TV etc.

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Peace All

This thread is another example of us trying to put our intellects above research and what scholars and authorities have said before us.

If we concentrate on the ayah 4:43 in isolation to the hadith and other ayahs in the Qur’an we would not learn that:

  1. This ayah was revealed when alcohol was not completely haram, therefore during the implication of this time only the conscious effects of alcohol were the premise for not drinking before standing up for prayer.

  2. When later other ayaat and hadith came with the full requirements then alcohol consumption was totally outlawed.

  3. So to get a ruling of any nature from 4:43 will be impossible as alcohol is indeed haraam.

Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #3643, narrated Abdullah ibn Umar ; Abdullah ibn Amr

Allah’s Messenger said, “If anyone drinks wine Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents Allah will forgive him. If he repeats the offence Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents Allah will forgive him. If he again repeats the offence Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents Allah will forgive him. If he repeats it a fourth time Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, and if he repents Allah will not forgive him, but will give him to drink of the river of the fluid flowing from the inhabitants of Hell.”

This is basically saying even if a person is not drunk but has consumed alcohol will not have his prayer accepted, for 40 days.

Also refer to this:

The body will metabolise alcohol slower than other chemicals because alcohol has a tendancy of blocking enzymtic activity.

Also, when the body does eventually metabolise alcohol there is a non-toxic CoA form that is stored for use which I gather may take a long time to be used itself.

BAC shows that alcohol will be in the system for a long time even after the effects of intoxication have worn off.

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After going through the whole thread, i am wondering we are not able to believe on one simple ruling of quran, or may i say questioning it by adding personal views to it, how can we claim that we are followers of Quran and we can be united under this very book???

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Where do people find time to think like the way some people post?

It is said that Empty mind is seat of Shaitan.

Whie asking question is right of everyone including children but asking childish question by adults WITHOUT reading, by an adult, has no excuse.

A SIMPLE mind produces SIMPLE question.

Quran did not differentiate between intoxication or not; it just prohibited consumption of alcohol and going for prayer.

Operation on brain by a surgeon requires that the person had no alcohol whatsoever prior to performing surgery.

Similarly, a pilot is required the same and has to abide the same law.

I think its fair to assume that only one person in this whole universe will ask if the pilot or a surgeon had one drink with or without being intoxicated............and that is the poster of this question.

Will anyone fly in a plane knowing that the pilot had alcohol but was NOT intoxicated?

Will anyone go thru any delicate surgery knowing that the surgeon will have alcohol before performing surgery regardless of his/her claim that he/she is sober/not intoxicated??????

I say again, Prayer and Alcohol do not mix and question is based on 'unusual' 'erratic' thoughts came into the poster's mind.

Come one and just get a grip!

Please ask question which shows some intelligence.

Aaj Kiss Baat Par Gussa Aaya ??????
Aaj Kiss Baat Par Gussa Aaya ??????
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Peace deedawar

With regard to the poster NBN has picked verse 4:43, which does state the word 'intoxication' or some translate it as 'drunkeness'.

I was trying to say that this ruling was evident when alcohol consumption was not haram. It was only haram to pray or approach prayer in that state.

Of course today alcohol is haram because of the other later revelations, which puts your point into perspective.

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Incidentally Deedawar it isnt as simple an answer as your portray...and i suggest you read the question properly cos a lot of Muslims drink and pray...

Theres a lot of things you shouldnt do but how many of them stop you from praying...thats what im asking?...obviously one cannot pray after sex without doing ghusl for instance...

My question wasnt about whether you can pray whilst drunk or lean but rather the question was regarding whether the precense of alcohol stops one from being able to pray...Psyah has mentioned that the precense of alcohol restricts one from prayer for forty days?...is that correct?...and if it is correct does this ruling extend to other intoxicants so can one not pray if they have had weed or any other drug for forty days?...

Aaj Kiss Baat Par Gussa Aaya ??????
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http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=2040

It has been narrated by Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) that Nabiy (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘An alcoholic’s Salaat will not be
accepted for forty days. If he repents, Allah will forgive him.’ (Tirmidhi vol.2 pg.8)

The commentators have explained this Hadith as, 'Salaat will not be accepted ', meaning he will not attain the sweetness of conversing with Allah.
However, his obligation will be discharged. Another explanation is that his reward will not be like the reward of those who do not drink.

and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

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All I can say is that I agree with your post and thank you.

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You say I read your question again.

Here is your question:

"Can one pray when they have alcohol or any other intoxicants in their system?..."

The question is illogical in the sense of what Quran clearly says. So clear that no such question should ever arise in any perspective.

Please read Quran.

Please do not try to mix any other situation or drugs or sins into this revelation.

Please do not try to cause a confusion when there is none and there never has been any confusion in the history about it!

First of all: Alcohol is forebidden regardless of it has any effect on someone.
Quranic verses do not distinguish between stae of intoxication or not.

Secondly, prayer is not allowed while someone has consumed alcohol wheather he/she is intoxicated or not. The **final **verse on this matter.

You said you wantd to know if someone is ABLE to pray while he/she had alcohol...........off course. One can still stand on the rug and read verses.
................but ......is it allowed as per Quran...off course not.

Are you trying to show that you afterall have not a simple mind and LOOKING for something which is not even there?

Please bring some valuable questions to the forum instead of questions which already have been answered in Quran CLEARLY.

Again............please read Quran.