Alarming Rate Of Divorce in Pakistanis Living In The West.

My question is with the divorce rate rising at an alarming rate amongst Pakistanis in the west are we educating the younger generation as to what it takes for a successful relationship and what is the game plan if things don’t work out.

Divorce was once taboo in British Asian communities. Today, it is one of the most highly growing social problems affecting these communities and seems to be taking place very early in Brit-Asian marriages, completely changing the landscape of Brit-Asian life compared to older generations.
By Priya Chandra • January 22, 2011

http://www.desiblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/brit-asian-divorce1.jpg marriages today, are more the unity of the couple rather than the familiesOn a Sunday afternoon, a British Asian man waits in a car and you see two young children in the back seats. A few moments later a British Asian woman walks up and stands a distance away from the car. It completely appears that the woman has nothing to do with the people in the car and that she is waiting for someone. Both adults look in their late 20s or early 30s.
Sometime later, one child, a boy, comes out of the car and runs up to the woman. She greets the child hugging and kissing him. Then, the man gets out and releases the second child, a girl, out of its child-seat. He passes her belongings to her. The little girl hugs the man tightly and then walks up to the woman. The man gets back into his car and drives off. There is coldness, bitterness and absolutely no communication between the adults.
This scene is from Birmingham city centre in the UK with real people. This scene is the visualisation of a divorced British Asian couple with young children. This scene is a reflection of British Asian parenting and society today.
Divorce amongst British Asian couples is soaring. And there does not seem to be a fix to the problem in sight.
Has it become too easy for British Asian couples to divorce? Have British Asians in particular given up on making relationships work? Has tolerance in couples and expectations overridden cultural values and impact on future generations? What is the real cause of British Asian divorce? These are questions being asked of today’s British Asian society.

Divorce in South Asian society was once a very taboo subject and very seldom heard of, even in the UK. Older Asian generations that migrated to the UK, got married at a young age, usually in the form of arranged marriages and had children very soon after. The nucleus of the home was the family and subsequently, the extended family. Mothers usually stayed at home looking after and bringing up children and the father was seen as the head of the household and usually the income provider. A framework that defined roles, responsibilities and the foundation to the relationship of a migrant couple.
As generations developed and got educated, British Asian society began to take advantage of what British life, work and leisure had to offer. In the early 1970′s to 80′s more first generation Brit-Asian men went to University and Polytechnics compared to women. Young women were still seen as home-makers, and education was not an option for many due to family suppression. However, in the 1980′s to 90′s this began to change, more young Brit-Asian women attended higher education and pursued professional careers like the men.
Some cultures within ethnic communities were still not happy about women getting educated. So, you saw more Indian students than Pakistani students for example. However, this shift in education also introduced more freedom and liberalisation in the next generations of British Asians.

No longer were many Brit-Asian men and women thinking in the same way as their grandparents or parents. They felt part of mainstream British society much more comfortably than previous generations. This led to marriage not becoming the priority in their lives because careers, business and status took centre stage. The era of professional Brit-Asians was upon us.
The trend in arranged marriages declined and the concept of meeting your own partners began to grow. Bringing us to the point where British Asian marriages are a mix of love, arranged and even speed dating encounters. Brit-Asian women have evolved to being financially and professionally secure, whilst British Asian men have thrived in all kinds of business and professional life, no longer stereo-typed as corner-shop owners.
Young Brit-Asian married couples are more commonly living independently from family. The notion of the extended family is eroding. Educated daughter-in-laws find it difficult to adapt to the traditional demands by in-laws and in return in-laws find it hard to understand new ways and accept change causing conflict and differences in opinion.

These changes have impacted family life, breaking the nucleus that was once prominent in Asian households. Brit-Asian marriages were primarily seen as the uniting of families rather than just two people and were strongly held together through guidance and support from families. However, marriages today, are more the unity of the couple rather than the families.
Marriage is always seen as a key milestone in Brit-Asian life. A UK National Statistics report says the highest proportions of married couples under pension age, with or without children, are were in Asian households. Over half of Bangladeshi (54%), Indian (53%) and Pakistani (51%) households contained a married couple, compared with 37% of those headed by a White British person. Demonstrating the importance of marriage for the Brit-Asian communities.
Lifestyle choices of British Asians have led to marriages happening later in life. Implying that you are more prepared for marriage when you feel you are ready compared to when your parents and family think you are ready. Giving more time and choice towards finding the ‘right’ person. Hence, the popularity of dating is now more common in British Asians compared to the past.
This shift in the British Asian marital process has definitely provided more choice and less pressure for many but at the same time it has led to divorce happening more frequently too. Elder generations say it is due to the dating and more choice, that young British Asian couples find it harder to stay together, because some may compare partners to previous relationships, other have high expectations of their partners, many are too selfish in the relationship and lots are not prepared to work at the marriage because they know they can divorce easily.

British Asian marriages are collapsing at an alarming rate. Many within the first year of marriage and often include couples that have dated for a long period prior to marriage too.
Reasons for marriage break-up include boredom, lack of interest in a partner, in-law pressures, limited time for each other, imbalance in giving and taking, intolerance of each other, money and work pressures, arranged marriages and extra-marital affairs.
Affairs and adultery incidents have risen dramatically amongst British Asians which include not only high rates in men but women too.
Many blame the advent of mobile phone culture, social networking, Internet dating and chat, making it very easy to meet new people. For many exposure to members of the opposite sex using these methods introduces thrill, excitement and attention missing in their marriages. Also, giving them secrecy and anonymity as required.

Brit-Asian divorces are generally breaking families into an ethnic society of single parent mothers and isolated fathers. Children are growing up with disjointed parenting and atmospheres of bitterness and hatred amongst their parents. Which raises the question of the emotional stability and respect within future relationships of the children too.
Family divorce lawyer, Irpreet Khoil reveals that changes in parental attitudes towards divorce are also changing, and that parents are more prepared to accept their successful son or daughter wishing to divorce, who otherwise would’ve been told to stay in the marriage for the sake of ‘izzat’ (family honour).

Baldish Khatkar, another lawyer with Brit-Asian divorce expertise, says that it’s not only younger couples that are divorcing. She comes across some older couples who have been married 20 or 30 years who no longer want to continue with their relationships.
Many would therefore argue that much has been lost and very little has been gained by the new British Asian culture. And question, whether divorce is the ideal solution for Brit-Asian couples who after dating, courting and living together still cannot achieve harmony in a marriage compared to older generations who kept it together through tougher times and getting married in some cases after only meeting once.
And yes, its not only happening here in the UK. In India divorce is rising significantly amongst the urban middle class in city areas. Dr Geetanjali Sharma, a marriage counsellor from Delhi told the BBC: “There’s been a 100% increase in divorce rates in the past five years alone.”
What would you say are the reasons for Brit-Asians divorcing? Do you agree it is too easy to divorce nowadays? Is divorce the best answer to a marriage that may need more time?

Divorce rates are increasing in Desi people due to

  • Arranged Marriages
  • Affairs
  • In-Laws and Family Problems
  • Differences and Intolerance
  • Work and Money Pressures

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so are we relying on notes from this 2011 article about British Asians or your friend the wedding photographer's notes/comments on the alarming divorce rate to feed the discussion?

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Plus personal observations and also stats from Pakistan, I don't mind being corrected if I am wrong, We talk to our teenager all the time about relationships and how to guard and protect himself. We thought him to cook and clean also, so he has all life skills, I mentor him in conflict resolution too.

Thats a lot of crap to read from a troll

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The reasons given above are the reasons for divorce in pretty much any culture, not just desis.

But yes, there is an increase. I don't know what can be done, but I suppose we all got to look out for ourselves and really, no matter how much you "train" your children, each will have their own set of circumstances and challenges. We can just pray.

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I hate this mentality of "all divorces are bad". The increase in divorce rate, especially amongst desis, is also due to the fact that the stigma associated with divorce has somewhat reduced. An abusive or plain unhappy marriage is no longer a life sentence, and that's a good thing. Of course, there are people who get divorced because either or both spouses lack the maturity to be in a marriage in the first place. But then, little good can come out of such people staying together and building the resentment for a lifetime.
Re. future generations, the only way parents can teach their children the value of marriage is by investing in and nurturing their own marriage first. If kids see mom and dad as partners committed to each other, they will learn the value of the relationship from very early on.

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Isn’t the increase in divorce rate good for you and the likes of you? Now you and your sons and nephews can go around and rescue these poor battered abused girls and show them what it’s like to be a real woman and finally be dominant in bed :dannyboy:

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Divorce is a halal act, why we treat is as haram?

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It's a highly disliked halal act.

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Divorces are becoming common both in the East and the West. It is a Halal act but only when it is extremely needed....not for the reasons people are getting divorces nowadays. A guy doesn't want to move out of his parents’ house ...and i just hate my in-laws...so i will just get a divorce. I am NOT dissing the real situation where in-laws, or DIL have made the situation impossible to stand, or where the husband is abusive. But even the word abusive is being thrown around like nothing. Wife has an argument, husband uses some harsh words and now she in an abusive relationship (I have seen this first-hand.)

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Marriage is the leading cause of divorce anywhere. No marriage = no divorce

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Rabia, it's not just for abuse.. it's simply for when a person feels they can't stay in the marriage any longer.. it's the last resort in that sense..

If people can't get along or they simply don't love each other anymore divorce is perfectly halal in those situations if that's what they want.. Islam doesn't believe in couples having to stay together just for the sake of family as our culture does.. Having said that they should try counselling or other options first whenever possible..

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Gaali galoch is abuse. If it's a pattern of disrespect in the house then yes that DIL has the right to leave.

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^that just an example Deeba, girls are throwing the word abuse like its everything...a little fight with husband isn't and shouldn't be considered abusive relationship. I agree with you and think that divorce should be the last option and not the first. I don't care about the culture aspect of divorce and NO one should stay married just because of what people will say. But girls and guys are way too relaxed about marriages and aren't even willing to compromise a little to make the relationship work.

Again, situations where the issues are too large to work with are different.

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Divorce? Quite frankly, some people are not mature enough to be getting married in the first place. If society wishes to see the number of divorces for frivolous reasons decrease, then it would be wise to get rid of this idea that people should be married by a certain age or because "it's time" and rather, advise people to wait until they are mature enough and ready for the responsibility of marriage. Being a certain age or having finished one's degree does not make one ready for marriage. It is maturity that determines that.

That said, if someone is immature enough to enter a marriage when they know they are not ready simply because others tell them to do so, they only have themselves to blame if the marriage ends badly.

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What about immature people?

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How about waiting until they mature?

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What criteria? Age? But you refuted that in your previous post.

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Maturity has nothing to do with age. One can be 40 and still be immature. Criteria? That they are mature enough to take on the responsibilities that marriage entails and understand that marriage is not a bed of roses rather than continually whinging about in laws or threatening divorce at the first signs of disagreement.

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Can we really measure the ability of someone to have comprehended those things?