We hear / read a lots that some of our Muslims brothers label some others as “Wahabi”. Before you call others as “Wahabi”, do you know who’s name is “Wahab”? Please keep in your mind that the WAHAB is a name of Almighty Allah out of His 99 names. “Wahab” mean “to bestow” or “to give”. all of us need to understand that whenever somebody doesn’t wants to accept his/her mistake, it is lot of easier for him/her to say others that he/she is so and so rather then admitting our mistake, and going back (Rajoo Karna) to check ourselves whether we are correct or not. Those who don’t have any clue do such thing/act/labeling others.
Therefore please be careful when you are about to label someone as “Wahabi” b’coz “Al-Wahab” is Almighty Allah, and Almighty Allah is “Wahab / Al-Wahab”. So please don’t play with Almighty Allah’s name like that.
P.S. I have no issue with anyone whether ‘they’ are pro or against the that so called ‘group’. I only wants to draw your attention towards the name of Almighty Allah.
Sometimes I prefer to use the terms Najdiyyah, Najdi but according to Ahlus Sunnah it is ok to use the nearest terms to describe a group. So for a group which emanates from ibn abdul wahab can be called wahabiyya (wahabi)
From a principled point of view you really need to refute Ahlus Sunnah on earlier examples of using names derived from the names of Allah All Mighty for deviant groups.
We talking the likes of the use of terms like Jabariyyah, Qadriyyah, Karaamiyyah
So after you have refuted the Ahlus Sunnah (often the people you take narrations and religion from) we can discuss this modern use of a name derived from the names of Allah Most Merciful to describe deviant groups
Basically we have always used the nearest term to the people mentioned
I will continue to use the name wahabi to describe the nazriat which emanated from ibn abdul wahab an-najdi
When one call a group or a person part of that group ‘Alawites’ we do not mean (have no intention) that we are calling someone as follower of ‘Al-Ali’ (one of the attributes of Allah) …
When one call a group or a person part of that group ‘Wahabis’ we do not mean (have no intention) that we are calling someone as follower of ‘Al-Wahab’ (one of the attributes of Allah) …
Hence calling someone Alawites (a group claiming to be Muslim, we find them mostly in Syria) is fine and calling someone Wahabis (a group claiming to be Muslim, we find them mostly in Saudi-Arabia but many in rest of world too) is fine.
Good to know that Wahhabis are not offended by this name. Obviously they shouldn't. After all, it is the name given to them for following the teachings of Ibn Wahhab.
Hence lies the point. The Wahhab referred in the term Wahhabi is not for Allah but for a Najadi 'reformer' whose followers occupied Hejaz, destroyed Baqi, fought with Ottomans and called them kafir because they were Sunnis, and helped British to overthrow the last Islamic caliphate on Earth.
Yeah, feel proud to be a** follower of** Ibn Wahhab, whose extremist teachings made every Muslim a kafir.
I made it clear in my first post that I'm talking about one of the name of "Almighty Allah" not about a certain group, who were they and what they done. About Ali "Al-Aliy", will read about it.
FYI plz, "O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong." Chapter 49 Verse 11]
Good to know that Wahhabis are not offended by this name. Obviously they shouldn't. After all, it is the name given to them for following the teachings of Ibn Wahhab.
Hence lies the point. The Wahhab referred in the term Wahhabi is not for Allah but for a Najadi 'reformer' whose followers occupied Hejaz, destroyed Baqi, fought with Ottomans and called them kafir because they were Sunnis, and helped British to overthrow the last Islamic caliphate on Earth.
Yeah, feel proud to be a** follower of** Ibn Wahhab, whose extremist teachings made every Muslim a kafir.
Your opinion is quite comical, brother. In the other thread you were adamant, and in fact upset that people are misunderstanding Ya Ali Madad, when infact it is an attribute of Allah. But here you are doing the exact opposite. Why must you take every opportunity to flare up the sparks of sectarianism? Wouldn't it be more becoming of a muslim to try to unite people on what's a common factor rather than go above and beyond to find cracks and hone in on them?
You are better than that. It may be that someone who follows ideology of Ibn Wahhab might be a much better muslim than us all combined, or the complete opposite because only Allah knows what's in the hearts. So lets not generalize because it leads to display of foolishness and arrogance.
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Those who don't have any clue do such thing/act/labeling others.
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Lk what you are being told is that those who think they do have a clue (in that they can accurately split the two nazriats and see the falsehood of one over the other) use the terms to differentiate
Also as the examples given above point out to you this is not an isolated incident but we have done it before (numerous times). It's only by this labeling that perhaps we have managed to win over some of those groups that have come in the past. So as for us, those that use the term, we are happy to use it. And happy to differentiate on this occasion by using the term 'wahabi' and mixing it up with occasional Najdi, [edited]
Shall I assume your above post in answer of the quoted verse in post #7? Where does your post# 9 fit in this thread? Though I'm trying to bring your kind attention towards a name of Almighty Allah NOT to anywhere else.
Brother, sorry to say but your question in post 1 is nothing to do with attribute of Allah ‘Al-Wahab’ but it is to do with people calling a deviant sect ‘Wahabi’ … that you tried to connect it with one of Allah’s attribute ‘Al-Wahab’
It seem, to question people calling this deviant sect ‘Wahabi’ you tried to correlate name ‘Wahabi’ of this sect with ‘Al-Wahab’ … but there is no correlation … no connection.
In other words, there is no connection in the intention of the caller … that they are intending to connect or even dreaming of connecting ‘Wahabi’ with ‘Al-Wahab’ … nor people who are called ‘Wahabi’ are connected with ‘Al-Wahab’ … unless you start believing (or pretending to believe) that ‘Mohammad bin Abdul-Wahab’ was ‘autar’ or manifestation of Allah’s attribute Al-Wahab (nauzobillah) on this world.
Check your post:
It is funny and I am really surprised how you connected Sect ‘Wahabi’ with one of Allah’s attribute ‘Al-Wahab’ … but that is what you did, and people here are trying to tell you that … both ‘Wahabi’ and ‘Al-Wahab’ are unrelated to each other.
‘Wahabi’ is a group of people who have many names … for instance:
Wahabi … Najdi … Takfeeri … Kharjee … [edited] … Mutafanni … [edited] … [edited] … and so on … and none of them is to do with attribute of Allah ‘Al-Wahab’
Name Wahabi resembling Al-Wahab is just coincidence. For instance:
If ‘Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahab’ name would have been ‘Muhammad bin Zalim’ than people would have called this sect ‘Zalimi’ instead of ‘Wahabi’.
And that is what people here are trying to make clear to you … that ‘Wahabi’ and ‘Al-Wahab’ has no connection … are completely unrelated … mutually exclusive :).
^^^ When we call a group of people Wahabi ... it is nothing to do with Al-Wahab ... just like ... when we say that 'Hafiz' made century or 'Sami' took 5 wickets ... we mean Pakistani cricketer Hafiz and Sami ... not attributes of Allah 'Al-Hafiz and As-Sami'.
Actually, we all know and understand that Hafiz and Sami are two human beings who play cricket for Pakistan and they are nothing to do with attributes of Allah 'AL-Hafiz' or 'As-Sami'. No person who can think could even dare to make connection of 'Hafiz' and 'Sami' with 'Al-Hafiz' and 'As-Sami' ... unfortunately, if anyone would do (start connecting the two) even as joke then that would be nothing but 'kufr'.
For instance ... if anyone would say that 'I am Wahabi' even in joke and claim that he is Wahabi because one of Allah's attribute is Al-Wahab ... than since he and all know that Wahabi is nothing to do with 'Al-Wahab' but it is to do with 'Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahab' ... this man unintentionally called 'Muhammad bin Al-Wahab' as manifestation of 'Al-wahab' (even in joke) and thus did 'kufr'.
Note: A person can say 'I am Wahabi' with intention of saying that I am follower of 'Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab' ... but can not say that claiming to be follower of 'Al-Wahab' ... as 'Wahabi' is an accepted and widely used term for followers of 'Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahab' ... and is not used to represent 'follower of Allah's attribute AL-Wahab'.
I only hope that in discussions and arguments, our intention should be to learn from each other, and if we would do that, than it would be for our own benefit and no one else.
Shall I assume your above post in answer of the quoted verse in post #7? Where does your post# 9 fit in this thread? Though I'm trying to bring your kind attention towards a name of Almighty Allah NOT to anywhere else.
I do not think what you quoted in post 7 prohibits me from differentiating wahabi beliefs from sunni beliefs, nor from warning against their cursed beliefs, nor complaining and warning about their cursed ones who are robotic and unrelenting in their quest to push the dawa (najdiyah)
I think you generally view their sites, articles but I would encourage you to read sunni versions of what you think you know for spiritual enhancement and correct Islamic understanding
^ I'm glad at least it mellowed your ever-stern attitude. :)
I think rigid was a wrong word - 'firm' would have been more appropriate.
The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to supplicate frequently saying, "O’ Allah, The One Who changes hearts, make my heart firm on your deen." - Imam At-Trimithi
May Allah Almighty save Islam for lax and everything goes attitude.
Allah Almighty's name is not Ali but Al-Ali - this makes a lot of difference - ask those who know.
^ I'm glad at least it mellowed your ever-stern attitude. :)
I think rigid was a wrong word - 'firm' would have been more appropriate.
The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to supplicate frequently saying, "O’ Allah, The One Who changes hearts, make my heart firm on your deen." - Imam At-Trimithi
May Allah Almighty save Islam for lax and everything goes attitude.
Allah Almighty's name is not Ali but Al-Ali - this makes a lot of difference - ask those who know.
'al' could be used with Imam Ali's name as well. Actually, it could be used with any name.
If you disagree then Wahhab should not be equivalent to al-Wahhab, per your logic. In that case, what was your objection on my calling of that person "Ibn Wahhab"? In other words, why did you mention Allah in post no. 6 when I did not call him "Ibn al-Wahhab"?
I was obviously referring to Ibn Wahhab, the person. I did not mean to say Ibn al-Wahhab, the son of God. There was no need to post that aayat.
It was ridiculous to say the least. This is what gave me a laugh.
Your opinion is quite comical, brother. In the other thread you **were adamant, and in fact upset that people are misunderstanding Ya Ali Madad, when infact it is an attribute of Allah. **But here you are doing the exact opposite. Why must you take every opportunity to flare up the sparks of sectarianism? Wouldn't it be more becoming of a muslim to try to unite people on what's a common factor rather than go above and beyond to find cracks and hone in on them?
You are better than that. It may be that someone who follows ideology of Ibn Wahhab might be a much better muslim than us all combined, or the complete opposite because only Allah knows what's in the hearts. So lets not generalize because it leads to display of foolishness and arrogance.
This post of yours is AGAIN about ME instead of discussing the topic. You seem to be picking on me for some reason. :)
Your previous post in that thread about Boko Haram was also picking on me personally. Why this obsession?
I do not think I am doing anything opposite of what I said earlier. There might be some misunderstanding. If you think there is any need to discuss it then do explain. Otherwise I don't think there is need to spend anytime on me.
About sectarianism. Please do note that the opportunity for talking on this topic was not provided by me. I did not start this topic. LK presented his point of view and opened a discussion. Others participated and gave their point of view.
So now singling me out for no obvious reason is strange yet again.
About generalization. I don't really understand. Where did I generalize?
And finally, I think you just want me to stop. If that is the case then just say so. I will stop.
You know what, I will do just that. I am going to excuse myself from here for now.
You are now requested to please leave me alone.
I do not think what you quoted in post 7 prohibits me from differentiating wahabi beliefs from sunni beliefs, nor from warning against their cursed beliefs, nor complaining and warning about their cursed ones who are robotic and unrelenting in their quest to push the dawa (najdiyah)
I think you generally view their sites, articles but I would encourage you to read sunni versions of what you think you know for spiritual enhancement and correct Islamic understanding
Peace vroom,
Thank you. Read your post #9 where you used 'term' (as name calling) to differentiate one from another and not belief. However, here you are talking about differentiating beliefs (not name calling), as I understood. I would suggest you to re-read that particular verse of Quran again carefully with free from all thoughts so you may understand better.
