Al Qaeda welcomed in Swat

Just as I predicted. You make peace deals with these animals and this is how they repay you. Pakistanis have to get through their thick skull that the only way to defeat these animals is to use force to beat these animals back into submission.

If you keep appeasing them, you risk unleashing creating a monster like the Nazis.

Taliban in Pakistani ex-resort: `Welcome, Osama!’

Taliban in Pakistani ex-resort: `Welcome, Osama!’
AP

Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan talks to The Associated Press at his base in Imam AP – Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan talks to The Associated Press at his base in Imam Deri, Mingora, capital …
By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer Kathy Gannon, Associated Press Writer – 23 mins ago

MINGORA, Pakistan – Pakistan was trying to end bloodshed when it let the idyllic Swat Valley fall under Islamic law last week. Instead, it has emboldened the Taliban to extend a hand to militants, including Osama bin Laden.

The local spokesman for the Taliban, which control the valley, told The Associated Press he’d welcome militants bent on battling U.S. troops and their Arab allies if they want to settle there.

“Osama can come here. Sure, like a brother they can stay anywhere they want,” Muslim Khan said in a two-hour interview Friday, his first with a foreign journalist since Islamic law was imposed. “Yes, we will help them and protect them.”

Khan spoke in halting English he learned during four years painting houses in the U.S. before returning to Swat in 2002. He averted his eyes as he spoke to a female journalist, in line with his strict understanding of Islam.

Pakistan reacted with alarm to his comments, saying it would never let him shelter the likes of bin Laden.

“We would have to go for the military operation. We would have to apply force again,” said Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira. “We simply condemn this. We are fighting this war against al-Qaida and the Taliban.”

But it is far from clear that the government has the means to do much of anything in the Swat Valley. It agreed to Islamic law in the region — drawing international condemnation — after trying and failing to defeat the Taliban in fighting marked by brutal beheadings that killed more than 850 people over two years.

“We lost the war. We negotiated from a position of weakness,” said Afrasiab Khattak, a leader of the Awami National Party, which governs the province that includes Swat. He said the region’s police force is too underpaid, undertrained and underequipped to take on the militants.

At the behest of the National Assembly, President Asif Ali Zardari last week signed off on a regulation establishing Islamic law throughout the Malakand Division, a strategic territory bordering Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s tribal belt where bin Laden has long been rumored to be hiding. The Swat Valley, where tourists once flocked to enjoy Alpine-like scenery, is part of the area.

Whether Swat someday proves an alluring haven for bin Laden could depend on how threatened he feels in his current location, and how successful the Taliban militants are in keeping state forces at bay there.

U.S. officials said they would work with Pakistan to make sure militants aren’t safe anywhere.

“With regard to Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, this is not a place where they should be welcome. We believe … that violent extremists need to be confronted,” State Department spokesman Robert Wood said Monday.

In an interview with Pakistan’s Geo TV, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani was asked about U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke’s concerns over the Swat deal.

“He doesn’t need to worry about that,” Gilani said. “This is our country. We know the ground realities better than he does. We will continue supporting this deal if peace comes there. I’m seeing peace is coming there.”

On Friday, Taliban fighters in pickup trucks with black flags rumbled through the rutted streets of the valley’s main city of Mingora, demanding over loudspeakers that shops shutter their windows and prepare for prayers.

In the city center, a district police station lay in ruins, destroyed by a suicide bomber. The only music blaring praised the Taliban and extolled the young to fight holy war.

Aftab Alam, president of the district court lawyers, took a journalist through an open courtyard and closed the door to his office before whispering in a soft, angry voice about the Taliban.

“They are more than beasts. Our government is impotent, stupid and corrupt. We are helpless (facing) this militancy,” he said, calling the Taliban “barbaric” and “illiterate.”

Alam said he feared for his life, “but I dare to speak because I am worried about my nation, my religion, my home.”

The Swat deal comes as Pakistan’s hodgepodge of militant groups appear to be growing increasingly integrated and coordinated.

The Taliban spokesman counted among his allies several groups on U.N. and U.S. terrorist lists: Lashkar-e-Taiba, blamed for last year’s bloody siege in Mumbai, India; Jaish-e-Mohammed, which trains fighters in Pakistan’s populous Punjab province; the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan; al-Qaida, and the Taliban of Afghanistan.

“If we need, we can call them and if they need, they can call us,” Khan said.

He said his forces would go to help the Taliban in Afghanistan if the United States and NATO continue to fight there.

“You must tell (the Americans) if they want peace … to withdraw their forces, keep them on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean,” he said.

Khattak, the provincial politician, described the implementation of Islamic law as replacing traditional judges with qazis, special judges trained in Islamic law. Already, a handful of qazis have begun hearing minor cases. The deal’s broker, fundamentalist cleric Sufi Mohammed, has said no regular courts will be allowed in the region.

But Khan said the Taliban envisions an even a broader system: a whole new set of laws following a strict interpretation of Islam, akin to the system Afghanistan’s Taliban imposed during their 1996-2001 rule. There, the government banned music and television, restricted girls’ education and women’s movement and cut off limbs and stoned women to death in public ceremonies.

“We don’t need just qazis. We have to change the laws,” Khan said.

He said his group wants to expand Islamic law, also known as Shariah, into all of nuclear-armed Pakistan.

“You will see the National Assembly will follow after one year, two years, six months,” he said. “I don’t know, but they will have to pass Shariah for all of Pakistan.”

Already, Taliban fighters have moved unhindered into nearby Buner district — also part of Malakand Division — declaring themselves to be the enforcers of Islamic law and threatening tribesmen.

“It used to be that you crossed the Malakand Pass to Swat and you thought, ‘I am in heaven,’” said Alam, the lawyer. “Now you think, ‘I am in Hell.’”

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Who would not have expected this, seriously?? They were the hosts for Osama in Afghanistan. Why can't people get it clear into their heads that these guys want to turn Pakistan into what Afghanistan was?

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Does that mean Osama is not already in Pakistan? It contradicts usual media report.

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lol isn't Muslim Khan the spokesperson for TTP, the same TTP that has been isolated in Swat and other areas so they're on the run now, with their head constantly under the radar?

i sure hope Pakistan army can capture Baituallh Mehsud soon and then give him a taste of his own medicine.

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these hadd haraam khabees qabailis should be kicked so hard in the nuts that their great grandkids are born dizzy..

what the hell were the idiots in the assemblies thinking of surrendering to these idiots.

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Yeah sure, keep believing that. TuTtiP and TNSM have just announced new laws for Swat and Malakand.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

TTP, TNSM ban political parties in Bajaur

KHAR: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) announced to ban political parties and politics in the agency after talks on Monday, sources said. Both the organisation also banned the assembly of more than three people at a place. The ban was enforced following a jirga, after four persons were killed in a clash between the activists of the both the parties.Meanwhile, those who died in the clash were laid to rest on Monday. hasbanullah khan

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On the run !!! here is Muslim khan sitting calmly in his base …

Afghanistan - Yahoo! News Photos

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Afghanistan - Yahoo! News Photos

He looks healthy and relaxed. He has personally overseen the killings of many many pakistanis and look at him sitting smugly outside, because he knows what kind if nation he is dealing with.

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well thats very wrong thats extremism not Islam. they are also doing wrong as we are

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Nice photo, it’s quite lush green valley.
Beautiful view at the back :slight_smile:

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they issue a statement and our media put it as if that happened to the effect.

i guess swat fiasco should be finished off in 15-20 days time as it seems talibans are getting frustrated and trying to test the will of the government to the limit and the way MQM is pushing the government and ANP is helping as well as ANP has to prove in very little time it was worth it and i m sure they ANP would fail as these mountain a???s dont understand the word but kicks.

more these taliban fagotts open their mouth more they would prove the MQM and other right as they dont talk with mouth but do Sh?? .

also here is nice article i wish to share .
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

The army cannot operate effectively without local help and without, as I have repeatedly maintained, eroding the insurgency from the inside. But by the same token, it cannot leave its local allies at the mercy of the Taliban

Last Tuesday, I described Swat as a wicked problem (“Costly peace”; Daily Times) and tried to explain what a wicked problem is, using the framework put forward by Horst Rittel and Melvin Webber in a 1973 article titled “Dilemmas in a General Theory of Planning”.

Let’s recap.

“A wicked problem is generally one that is either difficult or almost impossible to solve because of contradictory and changing requirements and where information is incomplete. To add to the degree of difficulty, a wicked problem involves complex interdependencies, such that tackling one aspect of the problem can create other problems.

“Essentially, this means that no course of action can be based on a definitive formulation because a wicked problem successfully eludes one; courses of action cannot be correct or incorrect or true or false but only relatively better or worse; every attempt is a one-shot experiment which may or may not work; stakeholders have different frames for understanding and solving the problem; there are multiple value conflicts and so on.”

The idea was to put the difficulty of tackling Swat in a perspective and to flag the point that whether the planner took route A or B, both falling on different sides of the fence, neither would be cost-free.

The other allied point, as should be clear from the lines I have quoted from the previous article, was that unlike critics the planner does not have the luxury to just criticise; he has to take a decision.

Now, with Sufi Muhammad’s speech Sunday, we have a response from the other side to one course of action the planner took. That response, given its implications and costs, should force the planner to rethink the strategy of appeasement or, as the government preferred to term it, the strategy of managing conflict.

This, again, was expected if we continue with the wicked-problem concept and the finding that every attempt to resolve a wicked problem would be a one-shot experiment.

What do we have now? To put it simply, the possibility of increasing the cost if the planner continues with this strategy. How so?

The plan looked at Nizam-e Adl as a measure that, by affording the people speedy justice (we shan’t get into the debate on what speedy justice is or can be) would (a) allow the Tehreek-e Nifaz-e Shariat-e Muhammadi to countervail the Taliban; (b) stop the fighting; (c) get the Taliban to disarm; (d) allow regular higher courts to overturn bad judgements by the qazi courts; (e) help the government establish its writ; and (f) do so without resorting to blood-letting.

In other words, the planner was thinking in terms of reducing the cost. Has the strategy succeeded?

While the fighting has stopped, primarily because the security forces are now confined to their garrisons, the other assumptions have come unstuck.

Far from countervailing the Taliban, the Sufi is speaking their lingo; the Taliban have refused to lay down their weapons; the TNSM has rejected the country’s judicial and political systems, calling the institutions “un-Islamic”; the Taliban continue with their strategy of salami slicing, moving into Buner; and this dovetails with their pro-active statements about spreading their Islam to the rest of the country.

While the rest of the country is unlikely to accept their discourse, what is dangerous about their expansion is the fact that the current “peace” is helping them consolidate their presence in the areas now under their control. The implication is that dislodging them would become increasing costly if and when the state decides to do so.

Projecting the cost of conflict into the future after the Taliban have consolidated, assuming that pacification would not work to the state’s advantage, and assuming also that the state would like to fight back and not capitulate, it should be obvious that the cost of conflict now would be less than in the future.

In other words, while the cost may be high even at this point — which is presumably why the state desired appeasement — given the inevitability of conflict in view of the adversary’s strategy of exploitation, a longer trajectory of appeasement will increase the cost of future conflict exponentially, almost to the point of becoming prohibitive.

This is why the state has to say “enough”. But saying “enough” is not a policy per se. It must be backed by an effective military and political response. What can that be?

Militarily, this “pause” should have given the agencies opportunities to identify Taliban cadres and their strongholds and allowed them to embed assets that can be useful. Intelligence should be more credible now than when most of these insurgents were in hiding.

Last time, just when Peochaar was going to fall, the coup de grace was called off for non-military reasons. That was a huge mistake and should not be repeated. Any operation must continue until the state gets the upper hand.

Getting help from local tribes is important but it will be no use if resistance leaders cannot be protected against retaliation by the Taliban. A repeat of December 2008, when the army failed to come to the help of Pir Samiullah, the Gujjar tribal leader who had raised a *lashkar *to challenge the Taliban, would be disastrous.

Samiullah had managed to get his community together in October 2008 and had fought off the Taliban. But they were looking out for him and when the opportunity came, they killed him along with 15 other fighters, captured two of his men whom they beheaded publicly. Later, they returned to dig up his grave and hung his body in a square to signal to everyone that anyone resisting them would meet such a fate.

The army cannot operate effectively without local help and without, as I have repeatedly maintained, eroding the insurgency from the inside. But by the same token, it cannot leave its local allies at the mercy of the Taliban.

Also, for this strategy to be successful the army must ensure that (a) it responds quickly and ruthlessly to any threat faced by allied tribes; and (b) it begins to network them.

As the situation stands, these tribes or leaders, wherever they may be, are operating in isolation. They face an adversary that is highly organised in terms of internal lines of communication, supplies, operations etc., even when it is operating in smaller groups.

Isolated tribes and clans can be easily taken out by the Taliban. Hence the requirement to evolve them into an organised and networked force. In Bajaur, the strategy has been more successful because the army packed the punch and did not dither in the face of high collateral damage.

Having tried course A, the state is only left with course B. But the military response is just one prong. The other is political. That is where it is important, as the army begins to clear the area in phases, for the political leaders from the ANP and the PPP to make their presence felt. The people voted for them in the 2008 elections; they must go back to their constituencies.

It will be risky but then the situation demands men, not sissies. Leaders have to lead from the front.

Finally, here is the question: where must the state focus in taking out the threat, the nucleus or the periphery? Answer: the nucleus. That is not Swat.

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^^ Thats the key, Army should take talibans of FATA, once they are dealt, Muslim and Fazulullah would be looking forward to get a BURQA to flee to Afghanistan, where the talibans will enjoy them

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Now this "welcome" should open eyes of people who think some superpower is really sincere in fighting terrorism.

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Right now we are not in a position to condemn any help we are getting from any of the superpowers ... the menace called Taliban is taking over us little by little , and our government is incapable of protecting us.... therefore I think we should rather condemn the taliban then the forces that are trying to help us .. how sincere they are , we can decide later ... our leaders are least sincere but they are still in the leadership positions .... not a single pakistani has the power to take them off their chairs !

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Some people are not realizing how this menace has come to this point, of course all blame is on ISI and the "rogue" elements. People don't realize the hidden support this menace has been getting. Taliban of Afghanistan refused to handover AlQ to US, US comes raging and bombs Afghanistan. Taliban sneak into Pakistan, create a mini-Taliban (Afghanistan) state in Pakistan and repeat same thing "we will welcome AlQ (and not handover to US)".... what would be the result? Any guesses?

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I think its high time we realise that after losing so many valuable innocent lives , and with such pathetic leadership and government , we should let the US handle the taliban and gas them or bomb them ..... Taliban are much more dangerous then the americans ... and whilst I am at it , this is Khuda's azaab that has been bestowed on us Pakistanis for our lack of character and conveniently forgetting Allah and Prophet's sunah.

and if we now have to make the choice to choose between the bad and the worse , I would rather be in the hands of the bad then the worse !

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you imply that Taleban/Al Qaeda are effectively working for the US in order to lay the grounds for attacking Pakistan full scale. Isnt that all the more reason to hold ISI/"rogue" elements to account for not effectively neutralizing this?

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ISI is busy keeping 'them' busy in Afghanistan :D

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geo-political games are all well, but seem out of place when your house is on fire and you're fiddling around at the neighbours place.

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Mashallah brother, we need this spirit in every single youth.