Al-Azhar says women pregnant by rape must abort baby

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I agree fully.

What about a "scrape" (I don't know whether is the correct Emglish word) procedure as well? I believe that ALL methods should be employed to stop the pregnancy form "forming" right at the start.

Only problem is when becomes an abortion unethical.

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Bari Bi! My post was in context to bidda3h's question where she talked about aborting due to fear of
1) raising the child
2) no inheritance from father
3) people hating the child etc

I was telling her that aborting the pregnancy on any stage out of these fears is a sin as Allah is the provider and sustainer of all according to Qur'an and Sunnah. Now stop being a baby hater and taking things out of context and wasting people's time.

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I believe there is a fatwa but newspaper has written it wrongly and gave it a caption like " must be aborted ".

Here is some answers to your question in detail from Islamonline.

**Dear scholars, as-Salamu `alaykum wa Rahmatu Allah wa Barakatuh. What is Islam’s stance on abortion, as the issue is still controversial, especially among Muslims living abroad? Jazakum Allah Khayran. **

As regards your question, following is what the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states in his well-known book, The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam:

“While Islam permits preventing pregnancy for valid reasons, it does not allow doing violence to it once it occurs.

Muslim jurists have agreed unanimously that after the fetus is completely formed and has been given a soul, abortion is haram. It is also a crime, the commission of which is prohibited to the Muslim because it constitutes an offense against a complete, living human being. Jurists insist that the payment of blood money (diya) becomes incumbent if the baby is aborted alive and then died, while a fine of lesser amount is to be paid if it is aborted dead.

However, there is one exceptional situation. If, say the jurists, after the baby is completely formed, it is reliably shown that the continuation of the pregnancy would necessarily result in the death of the mother, then, in accordance with the general principle of the Shari`ah, that of choosing the lesser of two evils, abortion must be performed. The reason for this is that the mother is the origin of the fetus; moreover, her life is well-established, with duties and responsibilities, and she is also a pillar of the family. It would not be possible to sacrifice her life for the life of a fetus which has not yet acquired a personality and which has no responsibilities or obligations to fulfill.

Imam al-Ghazzali makes a clear distinction between contraception and abortion, saying that contraception is not like abortion. Abortion is a crime against an existing being. It follows from this that there are stages of existence. The first stages of existence are the settling of the semen in the womb and its mixing with the secretions of the woman. Then come the next gestational stage. Disturbing the pregnancy at this stage is a crime. When it develops further and becomes a lump, aborting it is a greater crime. When it acquires a soul and its creation is completed, the crime becomes more grievous. The crime reaches a maximum seriousness when it is committed after it (the fetus) is separated (from the mother) alive.”

**Dear scholars, As-Salamu alaykum. I would like to know how much money I should pay in expiation for the abortion of fetus less than 120 days old. The reason for the abortion was that the pregnancy was causing tremendous psychological pressure on the mother, who is a medical student and who felt that she would never be able to cope with her studies while bringing up a child. The abortion was done because we felt that this was sufficient justification. However, the mother now feels great regret, particularly since she has learned that Islamic Shariah forbids abortion even at the very early stages of pregnancy. Jazakum Allah khayran. **

First of all, it is to be stated that Islam forbids abortion in all stages of pregnancy. When the pregnancy reaches 120 days old, abortion becomes totally forbidden and is deemed a form of murder that results in compensation becoming liable. If abortion is done prior to this period, no compensation is liable but one should ask forgiveness and promise never to commit it again. In addition, it is highly recommended to do much righteous deeds such as giving in charity, etc.

In response to the question in point, the European Council for Fatwa and Research, issued the following fatwa:Indeed, abortion is forbidden in Islam whether it be in the earlier stages of pregnancy or otherwise. The extent of sin incurred varies according to the stage of pregnancy, so that less sin would be incurred if the abortion took place during the early stages, while it becomes increasingly haram (unlawful) as the pregnancy advances. When the pregnancy reaches 120 days old, abortion becomes totally forbidden and is deemed a form of murder that results in compensation becoming liable. This compensation is equal in value to 213 grams of gold, and it is given to the heir who did not participate in the abortion (i.e., brother/sister or grandparent(s), etc., according to the laws of inheritance).

However, the only condition under which abortion is allowed is when there is an actual threat to the life of the mother confirmed by an official medical report that if the pregnancy advances any further, the mother may die.

Given the above, since the abortion was done in the case in hand before the fetus was 120 days old, then no compensation is liable. However, it remains a sin, which one should ask forgiveness for and promise never to commit again. If the mother wishes to give in charity besides all this, then that is even better. Allah Almighty says in the Qur’an: **Verily, the good deeds omit the bad deeds… **(Yunus 10: 114)

**As-Salamu `alaykum! I am a Muslim guy from Toronto -Canada. I have a question. If a 14-16 year old girl is raped, she can’t raise herself, she doesn’t have parents and relatives who can support her and as a result of the rape she gets pregnant. So should she go for an abortion or not ? According to Islam, abortion is wrong; it is prohibited. However if the girl does not go for an abortion she will give birth to a haram (an illegal) child. Keep in mind, the girl is poor, given no money and totally screwed. Will abortion still be considered wrong according to Islamic teachings? Moreover, what should be done with child who is born as a result of rape in the light of Islamic teachings? Please answer this inquiry as soon as possible. This is a very critical issue. **(This fatwa was issued concerning the rape cases of Bosnian Muslim Women and was given on February 2, 2002). As regards your question, the following is the fatwa issued by the prominent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi:

“Many Muslim women have become a target for the scavenging wolves of humanity, who do not fear Allah or any deterrent.

Any woman who, despite doing her utmost to resist these thugs and their ilk, is raped is not guilty of any sin, for the situation is beyond her control, and anyone who is forced to do something is not guilty of sin, even in case of kufr, which is worse than adultery, as Allah says: ‘Except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith…’ (An-Nahl: 106)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: ‘Allah has forgiven for my Ummah their mistakes, what they forget and what they are forced to do.’ (Reported by Ibn Majah)

Any Muslim woman who has fallen prey to a rapist will be rewarded for bearing this calamity with patience, if she seeks Allah’s reward for the harm that has befallen her. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said ‘No stress or exhaustion befalls the Muslim, nor worry or distress, even a thorn which pricks him, but Allah will expiate for his sins because of that.’ (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Young Muslim men should hasten to marry women such as these who have been tormented, so as to reduce their suffering and console them, to compensate them for the loss of the most precious thing that they possess, which is their virginity.

With regard to abortion, the basic principle concerning abortion is that it is unlawful (haram), as I have clarified in previous fatwas; it is not allowed from the moment of conception when it becomes a new being and is placed in a place of safety, i.e., the womb, even if this being is the result of an unlawful relationship such as adultery. In the case of the Ghamidi woman who had confessed to adultery and thus the punishment of stoning became obligatory, the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) told her to go away until after she had given birth; then after she had given birth, he told her to go away until the child was weaned.

The above is the trend I follow in my fatwas on this issue in normal cases. But there are some jurists who think that it is permissible to have an abortion within the first forty days of pregnancy. Some of them even permit it until before the soul is breathed into the embryo.

Despite the above-mentioned view which I follow, there are some exceptional cases in which one may adopt one of the latter views, and the stronger the excuse, the clearer the reason for the dispensation is, and if that is within the first forty days, it means that the dispensation is more appropriate.

Undoubtedly raping a Muslim woman by an evil enemy is a strong reason for the victim and for her family to have an abortion, for she will hate this fetus, the result of this iniquitous attack, and she will want to get rid of it. So this dispensation is to be given because of necessity, especially in the first days of the pregnancy. But this case of necessity should be determined by religious scholars, doctors and people of wide experience and wisdom. Otherwise, the original rule (of prohibition) should be applied.

Moreover, there is nothing wrong with a Muslim woman who has suffered this disaster to keep the fetus without getting rid of it. If it is decreed that it should remain in her womb for the usual term and she gives birth to it, then it will be a Muslim child, as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: ‘Every child is born with a true faith (i.e., to worship none but Allah alone).’ (Reported by al-Bukhari) It has been stated in the books Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) that if the parents have different religions, the child should follow the parent who has the best religion. This is in cases where the father is known, but what about the child who has no father? He is a Muslim child, no doubt, and the Muslim society is obliged to take care of his upbringing, to spend on him and to bring him up well. They should not leave the burden to his poor, suffering mother.” http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544832

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Are you kidding me? Practically anything can be used for a good vs. wrong purpose. That doesn't mean you should be witholding medical care from the population. The medical institute and the nation at that point is not responsible for one or two individuals deciding to mis-use the system for their own purposes.

Witholding care so that one person can't commit zina? They'll find some other way to do it, and meanwhile, as usual, the female victim gets shafted.

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*He is a Muslim child, no doubt, and the Muslim society is obliged to take care of his upbringing, to spend on him and to bring him up well. They should not leave the burden to his poor, suffering mother.” *

Does this actually happen?

What do you do, when your entire society doesn't believe in this concept??

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Be a woman of steel and fight your ignorant society.

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Heh, I am. Meanwhile, Hareem, what are you doing? Leading people into old-centuries of solutions that have placed many women in misery? Convincing women that they're the weaker sex? Throwing a monkey wrench in movements of progress?

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Peace again Sister

There are a few things that concern people when they contemplate having sex. These are:

1) STD?
2) Might get pregnant
3) People think I am loose

Risk of pregnancy is a realistic deterant for two lovers in having unprotected sex. Those lovers may be legally bound by marriage or not. Agreed some people want to have babies and a few others never think about babies at all they just engage.

Giving the pill now you call it 'care' and this realistic deterant to zina you call it a prevention to one person. I think you will find the statistics speak for themselves. The whole point of contraception is so people can enjoy sex without worrying about the consequences.

The other way they may find, but I am curious that in mid-sentence you have switched from talking about consenting fornicators to victims again. Is the female a 'shafted victim' in an illegal
sexual encounter that she has agreed to? Or are you saying that rape victims will suffer because we want to be prudent with the unchaste people?

I have already agreed that there are benefits in the pill but not on an ever ready basis, and rape victims need to be identified correctly. Care is social counselling in my books and society will still be in turmoil with loads of illegally interacting people should we follow the 'progressive' approach.

It seems you have nothing to say regarding the Islamic severity on taking a life vs enduring a hardship.

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Peace PyariCgudia

If you can't beat them do you join them? Or do you just use more wisdom to make your point better and try to educate them towards a better understanding.

Muhammad (SAW) taught his ignorant society out it's ignorance. Unfortunately, we have duped back in, but we should do what he did to ensure that if not today perhaps tomorrow 'it will happen' the way Islam intends it to.

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Psyah, i dont think you understand that this is not an issue of personal morality, rather the life of a human being.

Meaning, dont gamble with his/her future. Especially, good God, especially if its a baby girl. Because South Asian society is a caste system where the female is among cattle.

This is not a game of theory or chance. There is no dice here. We are looking for absolutes to make the best possible decision for the child within the social structure of the real world.

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Peace Bidd3h

I'm not a Mufti ... perhaps for such societies it may be more valid than others ... but if you follow the thread I have not indicated anywhere any absolute stance ... I am talking comparisons only.

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"Is the female a 'shafted victim' in an illegal
sexual encounter that she has agreed to? Or are you saying that rape victims will suffer because we want to be prudent with the unchaste people?"

The latter.

"I have already agreed that there are benefits in the pill but not on an ever ready basis, and rape victims need to be identified correctly. Care is social counselling in my books and society will still be in turmoil with loads of illegally interacting people should we follow the 'progressive' approach."

If you are worried about so many people who will be taking undue advantage of the pill, then you should be focusing your energy on finding out WHY fornication and adultery is so widespread and uncontrollable, rather than focusing on taking away or limiting a perfectly good intervention for rape victims.

The reasons why I think the pill needs to be more widely available is because rape victims mostly don't go straight to the emergency room, due to shock, etc. Even in modernized western countries, a lot of women go straight home and take a shower. At least, if nothing else, if the pill is handy at home, they can take it. Doing a rape assessment in the clinic is pretty speedy and a pill can be given as soon as she's been assessed. Rape leaves its marks. Rape is not simply an act of sex. Its an act of violence, and therefore, any therapy for the victim should be made accessible to her.

She shouldn't have to be jumping through hoops for it, because society has failed to instill morals in other people.

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Also, you mentioned that the Hijab protects women from rape. Brother, you have nod understood the issue correctly. Women in Pakistan and Egypt get raped too, whilst wearing hijab.

The issue with rape is not lust, because you can find easy skanks in other places. The issue is with power, the feeling one gets when he recieves sexual gratification or pleasure at the pain or fearful suffering of another.

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Yes I agree I personally do focus on trying to encourage society to remain chaste and avoid fornication by presenting its harms and dangers and related punishments. I also try to encourage youngsters to channel their energy into sports, studies and helping the community in physical things. I also think society is not ready for the full availability of the pill at this stage.

True, True and True ... but until the damage that society has done can be reversed we need to be cautious with over access as it may send another message. The police are also to blame for rape in their slow response times and furthermore women can do a better job at being stern and less desirable to strangers. Open lewdness and uncensored fashion can also lead potential rapists to do the act by fuelling their carnal weak spots. Internet and watershed times on TV need to be looked at too. Families need to be more family orientated and people should be encouraged to remain in the company of others as much as reasonably possible. It is will build ties and be safer for all.

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aka terrorism ...

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Peace Bidd3h

There are a myriad of reasons for rape and a myriad of reasons for hijab. Hijab is not the Khimar and many Arab shop owners are to blame for that definition. The hijab is not merely a head covering. It is a full attire and mannerism that protects the woman. It protects her from more than lust. Verily, many women who don the hijab feel physically stronger and more confident.

Women who get raped in such countries are subject to rape for the same reasons they are in US or UK. It is a problem with the global society because today no society in any country is completely isolated from other societies especially the Western lower moral societies. The rest you can work out for yourself.

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Why are you blaming the West for rape? Please do not suggest it is a an act that the Western “lower moral societies” are promoting onto the holy East.

I’ve been to Pakistan a number of times. Your average Pakistani is not subject to well-applied laws. Your average Pakistani is not sent to school where they COULD possibly be taught to respect the opposite sex. Your average Pakistani is sent to a Madrassah, if they’re lucky, and most are more preoccupied with getting their students to memorize the Quran, only minimally discussing women issues.

This is not restricted to Pakistan - its everywhere in the muslim world. Its actually everwhere in impoverished nations, and WHY is it that nearly every muslim country falls into this bracket??

We have a great deen. We have a book with guidance directly from God. STOP trying to discourage society to take on certain cures for problems, because you’re worried about who’s doing who in the pind. There are separate interventions for those issues that you could be applying. Instead of trying to seek a compromise, you’re suggesting that we tightly restrict the use of the one thing women might have a chance at avoiding even the MERE decision of an abortion. You’re putting women in a majboori, by saying that soceity should not distribute the pill more openly and that society shouldn’t EDUCATE women more about the pill (God forbid, they might actually use it for other purposes like family planning! I mean, you know, every family should have a blasted cricket team even if it kills the woman), and this majboori LEADS women to have to even CONTEMPLATE getting illegal abortions - which not only kill a life, but also put her own life at risk for death.

All for what? Because we’re worried about Paindoo and Pinky who want to get it on in the keths?

:rolleyes:

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Peace again

Society should educate women to keep company and teach them self-defense and teach all the males to be vigilant and lay their security down to ensure the security of others in their communities. That is the best solution it is much better than that providing a pill.

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Again, I say the solution is multivariant. It calls for medical intervention like the pill as well as what you mentioned (self defense, prevention, etc).

That's the only way to do it. The fact that most muslims think like you is why women are suffering through these problems today. They only see one solution.

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:salam:

PCG, the pill is not a solution to prevent rape or sexual abuse. Its a treatment for one who has been assaulted so pregnancy can be prevented. Are you going to go around promoting we have a pill that prevents a woman from getting raped.