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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *
Thanx sadya, and do you really think I should give her a walkover? I'm confused
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Yep. No need to be confused. :-)
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*Originally posted by sadya: *
Yep. No need to be confused. :-)
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Aight, two votes to one! She wins :)
> Thank you for your reply (that may sound hollow but i mean that).
- lol It sounded perfectly meaningful, and if you weren’t this sweet I was planning to continue to molest you.
*> Yusuf Ali’s translation is recognized, generally speaking, as one of the ‘best’ approximate English translations of the Quran. *
- I have not read such a thing in my entire life. Actually I’m giving you a walkover and all, but Yousaf Ali, and Khan & Hilaali are two translations that claim to be ‘approximate’. The other popular translators, even if they’re non-muslims/shias/ahmedis, have tried not to let their personal views compell them to alter the wording as it occurs in the Koran. They can add footnotes or hold an opinion on what a certain phrase or word means, but they have not tried to change the word and replace it with one which does not occur in the Koran. Yousaf Ali, in the name of approximation, has done that very often. This is a seperate debate though, and we could research on it, but let me assure you, if you refer to Yousaf Ali about a lot of topics, eventually you’ll agree to me.
Even if for a second we assume that Yousaf Ali’s is the best translation, if at a point if turns out to be different from almost all other known translations, we can’t just follow him without suspicion.
I did manage to recover my translations, I’ve got a couple in hardcopy and 11 on my computer. I have Ayub Khan, Daryabadi, Hilaali, Asad, Sarwar, Palmer, Pickthal, Qaribullah & Darwish, Shakir, Sher Ali, and Yousaf Ali. If you need any of them, hit me up on email or PM me, we’ll see how I can send them to you. Theyre about 1 meg each.
*Well, if absolutely tangible evidence exists that he had committed such an act – i would probably feel like leaving him and apply for a divorce. *
- Naee Na
Beat him! Maza aye ga! Believe it or not, my cousin’s wife actually beats him with a broom! 
About physical strength, its not you who implied that it qualifies a person for a right to beat another, its Yousaf Ali. There are two points mentioned in the Koran, which qualify men to be the managers of women’s affairs: a) Men spend money on women, and b) God has given them a peference. The koran does not mention what this peference or blessing mentioned in point b is, but Yousaf Ali insists that it is strength.
Now that blessing could be strength, it could be something else too, thats a debate which I wanted you to come to. Its not just Yousaf Ali who thinks that ‘blessing’ given by God is physical strength. Some other translators hold the same opinion, but since Koran only mentions a blessing, they only mention a blessing in their translation, rather than adding the word strength to it.
I think your point woulve been much stronger if you hadn’t stuck to Yousaf Ali. Aap ko Yousaf Ali ne marwaya hai!
- In one breath, you (justifiably) tell me “not [to] jump to conclusions”. Yet in the very next sentence, you state I am “not even sure” of my own beliefs. *
- lol Its YOU who’s not allowed to jump to conclusions. I have the right to do that!
Everything’s fair in love, war, and molestation
i have come to this religion ‘on my own’, not solely because my parents happened to be Muslims and raised me under a Muslim household.
- :k: Thats what I like about you, and thats one reason why I chose you to annoy.
- My knowledge is ongoing and will probably stay so for the rest of my life*
- Does that mean I can debate with you for the rest of your life?
If i state that i worked with an Islamabad-based NGO, “Sach”, during August 2002 then will you conclude that i’ve ‘won’ this argument?
- Actually I thought about it and I’ve decided to fulfill what I had promised. YES i conclude that you’ve WON this argument! You get to take home all the gift hampers
At the end, my personal opinion about this topic:
- The koran mentions 2 qualifications for the male’s right to manage the affair of his woman. If the male does not fulfill any of the two qualifications, he does not qualify for the right to manage the affairs of his woman or beat her.
The first qualification is undeniably to earn for and support her financially. The second qualification is debatable. It could be strength, and it could’t be strength. I tried to trap you into that debate, and planned to oppose you no matter what you said, but you chickened out.
Well, I hope to see a reply, you’ve won the argument anyway. I’ll miss being scolded by you, I hope we get to have another debate real soon. 
Love & Respect
Paagal Insaan
Paaga| |nsaan,
Thank you for your reply. 
(My thanks to Sadya as well for convincing you to give me the ‘walk-over’ phew That saved me in the nick of time:~D Much appreciated, Sadya, thank you )
Thank you for the offer, PI. Much appreciated. i’ll drop you a PM if i ever do need any of those.
lol.
Well, i would probably feel like picking up a broom as well - in terms of trust etc, it would have been so seriously eroded, that i don’t believe i could permanently live in that type of structure. But of course, once one is in that situation itself - who knows how one would precisely react.
lol! ahaaN i see - that’s not extremely fair, is it? :~D
Thank you 
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Sorry about the ‘scolding’. i honestly do not intend to come off sounding so dry, harsh, and technical. If i am to make up an excuse - it would be the fact that i have been a member of this board for some two years and mostly stick to the political and religious Forums, where discussions tend to be far less ‘polite’ and ‘informal’ and much moreso argumentative and technical in nature. At least that’s how one has to be in order to be taken ‘seriously’ in the political Forums. If/when i sound harsh or excessively formal, it’s just because that is the only style of writing i am comfortable with; please don’t take it personally i am really not this mean in real-life. Thank you for this discussion, i hope i learned a few things Insha’Allah (like never pick an argument with you again ). Seriously, i hope i did learn a few things Insha’Allah. i appreciate the time you invested into contributing in this thread Above all, thank you for keeping it civil and respectful. Although we disagreed regarding certain aspects, at least we were able to keep our tone respectful. That is the most important thing for myself. Many many thanks for that.
Take care of yourself & Allah Hafiz,
nadia
Nice debate. My question is that who the hell would have known who Aishah was had she not been the wife of the prophet? Any comments on that? Perhaps, it would make more sense to elevate her status to Mrs. Mohammad recipient of the Queen's medal of the youngest wife ever. This thread was only opened to make Shia's react, who hold no regard for Aishah, and may be rightfully so.
Grow up people. You don’t really need to go back 1500 years to look for role models. There's a woman that I know who distributes free condoms in my neighborhood high school. She is my hero, and she is contemporary.