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Ignorant to say the least.
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if i recall Abu Huraira (r) accepted Islam in or around 4AH but didn’t get to join the Prophet (s) on a permanent basis until 7AH (after the battle of Khaybar)… so he accompanied the Prophet (s) for 3-4 years… but this in itself is not problematic… he remains one of the great memorisers and narrators of hadith… certainly not anti-female(!)…
i’m not sure that the characteristics “fertile” and “virgin” are mentioned together in the same hadith (but i stand to be corrected)…
one hadith says, “marry virgins (al abkar)…”… reported by Abdullah ibn Mas’ud (Tabarani’s Mu’jam al Kabir)
and another says, “marry the loving, fertile (al walud)…”… reported by Ma’qil bin Yassar (Abu Dawud, al Nasa’i, al Hakim), by Anas ibn Malik (Sahih Ibn Hibban, Tabarani’s al Awsat), and by Ibn Umar (al Khatib’s Tarikh Baghdad)
and it’s not a case of Aisha being incapable of bearing children… it just so happened that she never did… there’s a difference… may Allah be pleased with her
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Are u saying she didn't have sex with her husband or God forbid they chose not to have kids??
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PCG- have u ever seen the shia Ahadeeth? do u know how anti-female they are?
It seems to me that u visit a few forums and think of yourself as if u have learned a lot, your impressions are childish and knowledge of Islam and Hadeeth extremely poor and then u come here and ask questions from an equally ignorant bunch of young people.
You are puuting something very valueable at stake.......ur religion.
Learn from an Aalim if u are serious bout ur questions.
And may i tell you that unexplained infertility(no cause found for not having children) ranges between 10-35% in various studies.
And please show some respect for Prophet saw and mother of beleivers when u talk bout them
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Not from the Aalim you learned your religion from.
Why the need for an Aalim when Quran is made easy to understand for the mankind.
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If infertility runs so high as you say, then I suppose the request to marry young and fertile only virgins is a bit...
off.
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please engage brain… this isn’t something difficult to understand… sex doesn’t automatically every time result in conception and children… many perfectly healthy couples with a perfectly healthy sex life go for many years without having children through no fault of their own… in fact, one of my very best friends and his wife remained childless after marriage for all of twelve years (and not through want of trying)… but during that period it wasn’t to be… they now have two daughters and two sons!.. after an initial twelve years without success…
i believe the Prophet (s) and Aisha (r) were married for twelve or thirteen years before he (s) passed away… these things happen… don’t they?
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There are times when you DO need an Aalim to help you understand some aspects of religion better. If you start interpreting religion by your own, you might be committing shirik and not know about it.
-Salman
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^^
Agree…Everything must be taken in account with the actions of the Holy Prophet :saw: or it might be taken out of context…
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no no.. you can just get the easy to understand books from the library or bookstore and teach yourself and then one day take your own exams and give yourself a passing grade and then you will become graduate without going to college.. :woohoo:
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People who take innocent girls’ tasweerain off private forums and distribute them to random guppers against the girls’ knowledge should not be posting in this thread. 
NOTE FROM ARMUGHAL: I will leave this msg just as a warning for all who see and be sure that any further comments of similar nature shall be deleted. I shall not tolerate such irrelevant comments in this forum as long as I have the authority to remove them.
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Then why didnt Allah just reveal the Quran why the need for the Prophet PBUH?
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Thread was whether Hazrat Aisha (r) had children or not but veered towards the usual ahadeeth literature. One in particular intrigued me most was where one of the postees referred to an Ahadeeth commanding Muslim men to marry virgins. Ahadeeth are supposed to be opinions or judgements passed by the Holy Prophet. Now here's my problem. How can such statements be attributed towards an individual who himself did not practice what he is being misquoted to preach. ie, first marriage to Hazrat Khadija (widower) lasted for 25YEARS!!!! And throughout this period he remained monogamous. Except for Hazrat Aisha (r) all other marriages involved women who were probably not virgins as quoted by historians and Ulema.
Here we are sitting in the 21st century trying to ascertain the validity of ahadeeth and totally ignoring the personality of the messenger. Who should we trust? Holy Prophet and his real life actions Or Ahadeeth referred by his companions???
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beta jee, the fact that the Prophet (saw) married those who u know he married has been conveyed to u thru the same hadith literature....
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First, lets get off this high horse of pomposity, self-righteous attitude displayed by your adoption council called beta-jee.
Second, your assertion is not entirely correct. One of the first manuscript on the Prophet’s life was written by Ibn-Ishaq, not part of Ahadeeth literature and said to be written before the Ahadeeth were offically documented.
Thirdly, when did I say not to trust Ahadeeth? You simply cannot assume one’s opinion according to your own narrow-minded vision of life. Point being made regarding women and attributed to the Prophet does not gel with his personality or how he conducted himself. Thus the need to challenge validity of such ahadeeth. Comprhende?
Lastly, next time u feel like expressing an opinion make sure u r cognizant of the issue at hand and more importantly u can contribute rather than just type one liners with no meaning…
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first, if u r not happy with beta jee, i can gladly call u chacha jee from now....
second, if hadeeth was not written down and compiled as a book when ibn-e-ishaq wrote down the seerah, it does not mean that he was not relying on the very same ahadith that were later put down as a collection of hadith....
third, i did not say in my post that u do not trust hadith.....
its "i'll accept what suits me" attitutde that i was pointing out: a disease thats common in most so called moderate muslims....
lastly, i contributed what i wished to contribute, and i take it as an obligation to correct the ppl who i feel r going down the wrong track....
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In determining the authenticity of hadith, what is the difference between "I'll accept what suits me" and "I'll will study the hadith, listen to what scholars have to say about them, sort through their differences and intertreptations, study the lineage and then determine for myself what I believe to be authentic?"
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Divorcing an interfile wife may be more of a cultural practice than an Islamic one. You are allowed to have up to four wives and a case where the first wife is infertile is a good example of when a man can possibly go for another wife without having to divorce the first one.
The wives of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) were given the title of 'Mothers of the Believers.' No one else was allowed to marry them after Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
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Well of course, after being married to a guy like the Rasul, I am not surprised they didn't go marry someone else!
EDIT: irrelevant post
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PCg, they made the mistake of making you a mod ..did'nt they? :)