Ahmedis?

[Capitol]

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Another thing. Have other Muslim countries deemed Ahmedis kaffir? What about Shias?

[Capitol]

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^ The poor pakis need the Aga Khan University. Because there is no Sunni institution like that.

[CheGuvera]

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@Capitol

^ The poor pakis need the Aga Khan University. Because there is no Sunni institution like that.

Exactly we dont have huge center of rip off…

[CheGuvera]

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@TheNewWannaBe

Fascinating yet confusing. If Mirza is Jesus Christ, who is Dajjal? Is the fight over? Some scholar named “Mahdi” also is supposed to appear before the appearance of Messiah. So if Mirza is messiah, where is “Mahdi”? Above all, where is Dajjal.

I have heard that Dajjal would look like some animal? And would reach out to each and every muslim alive to kill him. It’s pretty scary. I tried some google search on Mirza. Which Dajjal did he fight?

I think I need to go and read those guidance on the coming of Jesus once again very carefully and in detail. We might be making a mistake but nothing can be said.

I also read that before the appearance of actual messiah, many others would claim to be one. But those with pure hearts and truth seekers would not be fooled by the fake ones. The true muslims would only recognize the real messiah. I cant recall of anyone else claiming to be Jesus. Only now I know Mirza did. So, is he the first one and there are more to come who will or are there any more who claimed but we dont know about them?

My question still is: If he is the real messiah, which Dajjal did he fight?

The only problem is that all the conditions/sign of a true messiah that are laid out clearly in the hadith, Mirza fails to meet even one of those conditions…And which dajjal did he fight?

[Capitol]

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@CheGuvera

Exactly we dont have huge center of rip off…

So educating people is a rip off? If the majority of Muslims think like you, then no wonder the Muslim world is so backwards.

[Sadiyah]

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I'm sure Agha Khanis (a.k.a. Ismaelis) must have also been declared kaafirs. As for Shias, from what I have learned, not all of them are believed to be kaafirs. There are many varitions in Shias and only some of them have the beliefs, which could throw them out of the fold of Islam. And Allah (SWT) Knows best.

Also, could someone please answer TheNewWannaBe's questions, so we can conclude this discussion? The topic of Ahmadis has been discussed to death already and I don't see any good coming out of it.

[Basit]

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Sadiyah Unfortunately what you have learnt is all wrong because the basics of ISLAM and someone to be a muslim one has to say 'SHAHADA' and Agakhanis say that which is reflected in the constitution. If you don't have logical statements it's better not to impose things illogically or incorrect.

Infact its a sin and it's unethical if you don't know things for sure and you impose thoughts based upon what you heard and then putting it as if it's authentic, because thats exactly what you did.

So what you know for sure is wrong. And pls dont delete my reply

[Sadiyah]

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@Basit

Sadiyah Unfortunately what you have learnt is all wrong because the basics of ISLAM and someone to be a muslim one has to say ‘SHAHADA’ and Agakhanis say that which is reflected in the constitution. If you don’t have logical statements it’s better not to impose things illogically or incorrect.

Infact its a sin and it’s unethical if you don’t know things for sure and you impose thoughts based upon what you heard and then putting it as if it’s authentic, because thats exactly what you did.

My apologies. I shouldn’t have done that. I have read about them in the past. I will try to gather the evidence, insha’Allah.

So what you know for sure is wrong. And pls dont delete my reply

Do not accuse me of that which I haven’t done. I have already clarified it to you earlier via PM that it wasn’t me who deleted your reply.

[shireen143]

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1st i want to correct that don't call them Ahemadi coz Ahemad is Hazoor SWT name they called mirzai ok and they r non muslim they don't allow to buuried their dead bodies in regular grave yards in Pak they had their own graveyards and i heard they made their own paradise called RABWAH

[Basit]

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Sadiyah seems you dont understand English or you don't know the meaning of Shahada.

If one person says Shahada does he or she associate anyone to ALLAH?

Shahada is evident to all muslims, I dont know about you, but it means There is no GOD but ALLAH and Muhammed peace be upon him is the messenger of ALLAH

So now with your intellect where do they go wrong by NOT believing in Tauheed and not believing the Prophet Muhammed to be the last and the final messenger of ALLAH..

Yes, anyone who does not believe this IS NOT A MUSLIM but where do Ismailies go wrong on their belief despite saying and believing Shahada.

It's better if you keep your nonsense to yourself instead cos, I am told it was you who had deleted the reply.

[Basit]

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Sadiya, why do you keep editing your replies : ) its pretty interesting :)

[Basit]

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i heards words like nonsense from you and all of a sudden it vanished .. pretty good !

[Sadiyah]

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Basit, I have only edited my reply because I was speaking about Agha Khanis without knowledge (based on what I learned in the past). It is best that I stay quite till I gather the evidence.

Other than that, I was rude in what I had said in the other part and it wasn't nice of me. Hence, the reason I edited my post.

[desinum1]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

Anyone who denies the finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad:saw: and declares anyone else a Prophet after him (zimmi or whatever) is bound to be out of Islam hence the Ijma’ of the Ummah on this matter.

'nuff said.

@Diva4U

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah that all religions are awaiting. He is also a prophet. The messiah and prophet are one and no different.

So was Muhammad ** the last ** prophet? If so, why wait for Messiah, who is/was/will also be the prophet? Will he be the last of the Last prophet? May be he will declare more prophets are on way.

[shireen143]

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1st i want to correct that don't call them Ahemadi coz Ahemad is Hazoor SWT name they called mirzai ok and they r non muslim they don't allow to buuried their dead bodies in regular grave yards in Pak they had their own graveyards and i heard they made their own paradise called RABWAH

[TheNewWannaBe]

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desinum1 - Jesus came into world long before prophet Mohammed PBUH. So, He remains the last prophet. Jesus re-appearance will not make him the last prophet.

Basit, I had requested to erase irrelevant posts and it wasnt Sadia so kindly spare her.

This is going off topic. Mods, Please feel free to lock the thread. I will research on my own now. Thank you.

[Basit]

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THeNewWannabe why do you want to request the mods to close the thread? I believe it was you who had asked to inquire about Agakhanis...

Its interesting to see people reflect their thoughts on MUSLIMS and the definition of Muslim and specially how ppl associate thoughts ...

[TheNewWannaBe]

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I inquired who were Islamili's and Agha khanis and dont you think I have got the answer?

Originally, I was more interested to know why Ahmadis were declared non-muslims. What exactly about their beliefs clashes with Islamic idea of a muslim. I think it is cz of Mirza's claim that he is Jesus is what people cant grasp. So, I think we need to research to know what is right and what is wrong. In case of any new findings on this topic, I would definitely start a new thread to share with all.

Requested to close cz did not like the attacks.

[saimanyc]

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@shireen143

1st i want to correct that don’t call them Ahemadi coz Ahemad is Hazoor SWT name they called mirzai ok and they r non muslim they don’t allow to buuried their dead bodies in regular grave yards in Pak they had their own graveyards and i heard they made their own paradise called RABWAH

What? Somebody is feeding you some lies. That’s pretty ridiculous don’t you think?

[saimanyc]

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@The Hunk

They have their very own prophet
They have their own holy book called Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya
They have their own holy city of Qadian
They have their own pilgrimage to Qadian
They have their own heavenly graveyard
They have their own Masjid-e-Aqsa
They have their own meaning of KALIMA in which Mirza gets included automatically
They have their own ‘Holy Family’
They have their own set of ‘Companions’
They have their own religion called Ahmadiyyat

Need more reasons?

Ha ha ha, as an Ahmadi myself I can tell you that none of this is true. I don’t understand how people can just blindly believe in things for their own personal reasons. If you truly are curious about the truth then it wouldn’t hurt to do some reading on the subject.