Ahmedis?

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You mean denying your translation/interpretation of Quran?

and who does not believe in Hazrat Mohammad (SA)? Ahmadies? Now you are really misleading people here. I strongly urge you to consider the following:

The Excellences of Prophethood
From writings of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmadas, The Promised Messiah

The life of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, was a life of grand success. In his high moral qualities, his spiritual power, his high resolve, the excellence and perfection of his teaching, his perfect example and the acceptance of his prayers, in short, in every aspect of his life, he exhibited such bright signs that even a person of low intelligence, provided he is not inspired by unreasonable rancour and enmity, is forced to confess that he was a perfect example of manifestation of Divine qualities and was a perfect man. (Al-Hakam, 10th April, 1902, p. 5)

It is my belief that if, leaving the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, aside, all the Prophets who had preceded him had combined to perform the task and to carry out the reform which the Holy Prophet performed and carried out, they would not have been able to do so. They had not the heart and the strength which had been bestowed upon the Holy Prophet. If any one should say that this shows disrespect towards the other Prophets, he would be guilty of uttering a calumny against me. It is part of my faith to honour and respect the Prophets, but the Holy Prophet’s superiority to all other Prophets is the principal part of my faith and my whole being is saturated with it. It is not within my power to exclude it. Let my unfortunate opponent, who is sightless, say what he pleases, but our Holy Prophet, peace be on him, performed a task, which all the others combined together, or separately, could not have performed. This is Allah’s grace which He bestows upon whomsoever He so wills. (Malfoozat, Vol. II, p. 174)

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dalits since they did not commit any atrocities

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why dont you open your mouth if you think you know the answer to the question? what is it that puts them outside Islamic faith?

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LA ILAHA ILLAH ALLAH MOHAMMAD RASOOL ALLAH

That is what puts them in the pale of Islam. Once they declare that, no Mullah, no politician has the authority to call them non-Muslims, but they do it anyway.

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^ This is very confusing. What exactly is it which clashes with actual Islamic faith? I asked my father and he didnt know either. We have 24 posts and no one has been able to tell me EXACTLY what makes them non-muslims?

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like some shiite beliefs put Ali right up there?

hmm like Najhad-ul-Bilaag (sic)

like Shiite holy sites in Iraq?

like adding Ali wali ullah to the kalima?

like the Shiite Ahl-e-Bait? and their ridicule of Ayesha, Abu Bakr, Omar and Usman?

like Shiite Islam?

yes.. how come Shiites aren’t Non Muslims in Pakistan?

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They are non muslims according to ijmah of Muslims ummah

You can have a look at some of their mirza sahibs teachings here
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=188032

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Anyone who denies the finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad:saw: and declares anyone else a Prophet after him (zimmi or whatever) is bound to be out of Islam hence the Ijma’ of the Ummah on this matter.

'nuff said.

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Hazrat Mohammad (SA) had prophesized the coming of a Messiah, and given him the title of “Jesus” who will guide/lead Muslims out of darkness and fight Dajjal, the Anti-Christ. Ahmadies believe that that Messiah has already appeared with all his signs, his name is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS), to fight one-eyed Dajjal, who is also here. Non-Ahmadi Muslims (like many on this forum) believe that that Messiah has not yet appeared, and it will be Jesus of Nazareth, the same man, the same prophet, who will descend from sky (literally) on shoulder of 2 angels on some mosque in Middle East. They believe that he (AS) is still alive “up” in heavens (where is “up there”? don’t even ask!).

While their theory keeps changing from time to time, and from person to person depending on which Mullah they believe in, majority of Non-Ahmadi Muslims say that there can be no prophet after Hazrat Muhammad(SA) except Jesus(AS) who is an old prophet, not a new one, thus Muhammad(SA) remains the last prophet in time line. When they are reminded that second time Jesus(AS) will be here (according to their beliefs) he(AS) will be assigned to different Ummah/Nation and given a new mission, and thus might be the same old person, but definitely not the old prophet, they say that it is the same old mission, a reply which does not make any sense (or at least I have not been able to understand).

So as you can see, there is no difference in ideologies. They believe in the prophesy of Hazrat Mohammad(SA) about coming of Messiah, as do the Ahmadies. The difference is that they believe that he is yet to come and will be Jesus of Nazareth in person descending from sky, on angels’ shoulder on a certain mosque in Middle East. We believe it is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) who has been assigned the title of “Jesus” and has already appeared. Yet the some Pakistani politicians, with blessings of some anti-Ahmadi mullahs have decided to declare them non-Muslims, something that even Holy Prophet(SA) never did to a kalima reciter.

Hope all this makes sense.

One Day EMM....
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Can I please have a one line answer for the following question and don't worry about providing me with evidence for it:

Who exactly is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad for Ahmadis? A prophet and/or a messenger and/or Messiah?

This is an honest question, as I'm getting confused after reading different material that gets posted here.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah that all religions are awaiting. He is also a prophet. The messiah and prophet are one and no different.

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Thank you. :k:

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Mirzais are nonmuslims because overwhellming majority of Muslims deem them so and since democracy is such a noble notion bestowed to humanity by the sagacious white race, thats all there is that counts....And no it was'nt mullahs who declared them non-muslim...they were declared non-muslims under the most God-less of all politician and leader of Pakistan....Bhattu....

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So does this mean the sect amongst the Ahmadies that follows Mirza but denies that he was a prophet or messiah are not out of Islam?

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He is the Promised Messiah (if u know, what does it mean?) for all the Muslims.

Who ever has accepted him and will accept him as a Promised Messiah with the present Khilafat of Islam, are Muslims, shall I say better Muslims.

They have given a name of Ahmadiyee Muslims, in contrary to Sunni or Whabi Muslims.

People, who does not accept him and call him imposter?, are still waiting for the Promised Messiah..!!

But do you know, where is the promise of Promised Messiah has mentioned and who did it?

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yes that person is considered less or even least practicing muslim.if that person believes from his or her heart that there is no one (as God) but Allah and Muhammed (PBUH) is his (final) messanger…but still a muslim.

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One more thing we should think.

It is said that with the appearance of massayah or anyone with the same caliber, majority of human being will accept Islam and will be considered muslims.

With Ahmadya movement (in minoroty)........................majority of human being are now ........Non-muslims!!!!!!!

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Fascinating yet confusing. If Mirza is Jesus Christ, who is Dajjal? Is the fight over? Some scholar named “Mahdi” also is supposed to appear before the appearance of Messiah. So if Mirza is messiah, where is “Mahdi”? Above all, where is Dajjal.

I have heard that Dajjal would look like some animal? And would reach out to each and every muslim alive to kill him. It’s pretty scary. I tried some google search on Mirza. Which Dajjal did he fight?

I think I need to go and read those guidance on the coming of Jesus once again very carefully and in detail. We might be making a mistake but nothing can be said.

I also read that before the appearance of actual messiah, many others would claim to be one. But those with pure hearts and truth seekers would not be fooled by the fake ones. The true muslims would only recognize the real messiah. I cant recall of anyone else claiming to be Jesus. Only now I know Mirza did. So, is he the first one and there are more to come who will or are there any more who claimed but we dont know about them?

My question still is: If he is the real messiah, which Dajjal did he fight?

Nazam In My Voice
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interesting. no one has responded to this one yet. Why has Pakistan deemed Ahmedis kafir, but not Shias?

Is it because Zulfi Bhutto who branded Ahmedis kaffir was a Shia himself?

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^ point to be noted?

Does anyone have an answer?

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