I’ve been wanting to know this for a long time.
What is it exactly that declares them to be non-muslims? On what basis did Pakistan’s goverment declare them outside Islam? What as per their beliefs clashes with the real Islam?
Someone please enlighten me but in simple words. Thank you.
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They have their very own prophet
They have their own holy book called Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya
They have their own holy city of Qadian
They have their own pilgrimage to Qadian
They have their own heavenly graveyard
They have their own Masjid-e-Aqsa
They have their own meaning of KALIMA in which Mirza gets included automatically
They have their own 'Holy Family'
They have their own set of 'Companions'
They have their own religion called Ahmadiyyat
Need more reasons?
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Hi TheNewWannaBe, I met an Ahmadi girl in one of my classes last year and when she discovered that I thought she was Muslim, she quickly corrected me. That is just one example but I know of other Ahmadi people and they don't call themselves Muslims either.
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that is very strange, because Ahmadis furiously defend their right to be called Muslim, and most definitely refer to themselves as Muslims.
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Dear all,
Look around your self.. and be judge of your own...
to explain me the picture of Islam today...?
Well,
Ahmadiyee Muslims are presenting it, speaking of it and
maintaining it in an ideal and according to the Quranic teachings ..
at present and even they did it in the past..
Despite..people of sub-continent didn't want it...!
They are the real Embassadors of Islam at present..
What do you think ?
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Really? I don't know why those people refer to themselves as Ahmadis then...I don't know them well at all so maybe they were telling me their "sect"...
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Either our are a lair, or you just do not know the truth … how could you open your mouth about something you just dont know about?
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Well either way I don't think it's right to label them as non-Muslims if they consider themselves Muslims.
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TheNewWannaBe, Wikipedia has some info on Ahmadis and contrasts their beliefs with mainstream Islamic beliefs though I don’t know how reliable it is. Ahmadiyya - Wikipedia
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Whilst I have no doubt that anyone who believes there was another prophet after the Seal of the Prophets is a non-Muslim, a sect amongst the Ahmadies was brought to my attention last year.
It seems that there is a group amongst them that denies that Mirza was prophet or messiah, and claims that his writings were tampered with after his death to put that claim in. They simply claim that he was a religious scholar or reviver.
What is the status of one who denies Mirza was a prophet, and instead follows some of hi teachings on the basis that he was a religious scholar and nothing more?
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uff, it is ahmadi, not ahmedi. How many times do I have to tell you guys. 
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That’s TRUE mad_scientist, they do have different sectors and they all have different beliefs. Some of them simply deny that Mirza claimed to be a prophet and claim that he was simply a scholar and others deny that Mirza was a prophet but then they have their own KHALIFAS, claim that Mirza recieved MESSAGES from Allah just like other prophets did and they also consider non-ahmadis as KAFIRS.
But it’s totally wrong that they don’t consider themselves as MUSLIMS, they certainly consider themselves as muslims and they are proud Muslims just like others but unfortunately they have been mislead and some of their beliefs are simply UNISLAMIC.
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What do ahmadis believe about us ? who donot believe in Mirza? We muslims to them or non muslims?
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^
To qadiani's, muslims are non muslim.
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sunni are real muslims next less muslims are shia then other sects?are wahabis are more islamic than sunnis?
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In islam no one is real, (fake) or next less muslim. Where did you get this from?
Either one is muslim or not muslim.
One can be more or less ‘practicing’ muslim but still a muslim.
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if someone drinks alcohol,comits adultery never goes to mosque he can be considered less practising musliim?
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Refuting the finality of Prophethood with our Holy Prophet :saw: is outright denying the Quran…
It’s the same as if someone said, I don’t believe in Mohammed :saw: as a Prophet but I am still a Muslim…
Non sequitur…
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Who is more Human…Brahamans or Shuders? Answer that and than come and talk about islam and its sects