Ahmedinejad continues to yap/Answer Ahmadinejad (merged)

[Ma_Mooli]

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@underthedome

What zeal.

Zeal is used to cover up/stop feelings of uncertainty and anxiousness.

i wouldnt be too sure of that…seeing how US track record in iraq…despite her being a broken country decades before the attacks…if i were iran, id be feeling pretty confident.

[antiobl]

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@Ma Mooli

…despite her [Iraq] being a broken country decades before the attacks…if i were iran, id be feeling pretty confident.

Nothing to laugh about.

Iraq became a “broken country” precisely because Sad-Damn was as **bombastic **as AhmadNejad.

Instead of learning from Iraqi experience, Iranian leadership is hell bent on following the same path.

Be-Waqoof Maulavis don’t realize the situation until it is over and done with.

In the end, Ahmadenejad and other Maulvis will take a comfy apratment in a Western country just like their Khomeini lived in Paris before bringing the plague to the Iran and the rest of the region.

[Ma_Mooli]

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Israel has threatened to attack nuclear sites in Iran because Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map and could give Nuclear weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas. Get your facts straight.

Iran and Israel have been threatening each other since 1979, they have been mutual enemies ever since. Recently however, it was israel’s suspicion of irans intention about nukes that triggered off the pre-emptive threats, which resulted in Ahmadinijaad threatning retaliation if israel or america attacked. Pre-emptive is obviously a first strike without warning. Retaliation incase of attack is merely a reaction. The instigator here is therefore Israel.

None of these excuses can be used by Iran. Iran does not face a threat of existence nor an annexation of territory by a more powerful neighbour as Israel and Pakistan does.

No Iran does not face the threat of being ‘wiped out of existance’, and niether does Israel or pakistan for that matter. I think we need a reality check. Like i said Iran doesn’t have a problem with jews living there, it has a problem with the ‘state’ of israel being built on other nations such as palestine. By your logic the palestinian should be given the means and the nuclear technology by america to fight israel, because not only are they under threat from being wiped out, thousands of them have already been wiped out since the creation of Israel..so what do you say eh?

–>Exactly. Thats why a regime like that armed with nuclear weapons is a very dangerous equation. You just proved my point.

read again nukes iran cud careless for nukes hence the babble was irrelevent.

–>Actually no they were not. All reformist candidates were vetted out. Where do you get your sources from Al Jazeera?

Do you know who hashimi rafsanjani is? im presuming not, since he was the main opponent to ahmadinijaad, and a reformist candidate. rafsanjani was more for the elite and the youth, ahmadinijaad won because of his track record as a mayor, and his support for the underclass.

–>Whether dismantling Israel into Palestine is a better lingo or not, the fact of the matter is, Iran does not want a Jewish state to exist. They have said they are going to wipe it off the map and *that only means the use of Nuclear Weapons. *

Assuming again. no credibility whatsoever. especially considering they have repeatedly asked the europeans to do it and have no intention of seeing to it themselves. Besides, they dont need nukes for israel, they have thier right hand team, hizbullah.

As for the holocaust, your opinion and using Neo-Nazi professors and historians to back up the claims shows to me the lack of utter understanding you have in regards to it. The holocaust did happen, 6 million Jews did die, whether you like it or not. If these same historians came out and said that less than 7 thousand muslims died during the partition of India, lets see how much credence you give them then. You are obviously going to beleive those people who think like you no matter whether they are Neo-Nazis, Racists, etc…

If that historian was the only guy to debate it, you may have had a point. But the exaggeration of the account has been debated my many historians, who are not considered neo nazi. This was before the Iranian President called it a myth. IMO believing the tragedy did occur is one thing, but to exaggereate and not let anyone question the contradicting detail coming out, is abit pathetic to say the least. To label them anti semite and neo nazi is a typical zionist trait. IMO you can thank the zionits themselves for turning the whole thing into a myth.

Do you really think that the world is going to beleive some clerical fatwa that says that Iran will not make nuclear weapons. Perhaps its you that should stop putting 2 and 2 together and making 11.

Ofcourse not. The US will not take the fatwa into account for the obvious reason that they wont have a case left to build on. They need the nuke excuse desperately if they want to isolate and attack Iran.

A fatwa by a mujtahid holds huge significance in Iran, but people are either too ignorant or unwilling to see these basic facts. If the average person used their two bit brain cell and study the iranian/shia culture, they would realise the power of a religious edict from the highest spiritual leader of iran… which is why it is pretty obvious to me their intentions are wholly peaceful and the american gov is having you guys on…which is nothing new either.

[Ma_Mooli]

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@antiobl

Nothing to laugh about.

Iraq became a "broken country" precisely because Sad-Damn was as **bombastic **as AhmadNejad.

Instead of learning from Iraqi experience, Iranian leadership is hell bent on following the same path.

Be-Waqoof Maulavis don't realize the situation until it is over and done with.

In the end, Ahmadenejad and other Maulvis will take a comfy apratment in a Western country just like their Khomeini lived in Paris before bringing the plague to the Iran and the rest of the region.

Iraq only became a broken country thanks to the UN and US. It wasnt saddam that was malnourished or his palace that lacked medicine and clean water but the average iraqi. for that you can thank saddam and his cronies, America and UN.

Iran is a different a story however. The leadership has the support of the majority of its people, which is what brought the revolution about, and that is what makes the much stronger as a nation.

What Ayatullah Khomeini did for Iran is still celebrated by iranians to this day. They love him and the 'plague' he brought for them. The shah on the other died homeless somewhere in his masters land, longing to go back. :)

[TUMS]

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bohot bhok ta hai saala.

[mercenary2k]

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@Ma Mooli

Iraq only became a broken country thanks to the UN and US. It wasnt saddam that was malnourished or his palace that lacked medicine and clean water but the average iraqi. for that you can thank saddam and his cronies, America and UN.

Iran is a different a story however. The leadership has the support of the majority of its people, which is what brought the revolution about, and that is what makes the much stronger as a nation.

What Ayatullah Khomeini did for Iran is still celebrated by iranians to this day. They love him and the 'plague' he brought for them. The shah on the other died homeless somewhere in his masters land, longing to go back. :)

We can debate Iraq later.

As for Iran. The leadership does not enjoy the support of the people. Most Iranians are against the theorcracy in Iran. Iran and the Iranian leadership have just found the Nuclear issue to revise their sagging approval ratings.

What else explains the 180 degree about face from Khatami to Ahmedinijad.

Man you guys can be so easily duped:D

[Ma_Mooli]

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@mercenary2k

We can debate Iraq later.

As for Iran. The leadership does not enjoy the support of the people. Most Iranians are against the theorcracy in Iran. Iran and the Iranian leadership have just found the Nuclear issue to revise their sagging approval ratings.

What else explains the 180 degree about face from Khatami to Ahmedinijad.

Man you guys can be so easily duped:D

No reply for post no 43? No. 44 was directed at antiobl.

The leadership does enjoy the support of the majority, when khatami stepped down, rafsanjani took his place as the most popular with the elite and a reformer, however his repuation was marred by corruption, ahmadinijaad background favoured him in theelections. He did not use the hardline anti-american basis, neither did he use the nuke issue, his motto was to reach out to the poor, that, his past reputation and his corrupt opponent saw him through to win the secound round. Its not that hard to fathom, especially if you know the iranians. Also, if the minority dont support ahmadinijaad, they still support the supreme leader, ayatullah khamanei. hence the strong leadership.

However, one thing about the iranian is, they might prefer a pro western government, but what they dont like is outsiders telling them what they can and cannot have or do as a nation. And that as whole unites them on every issue such the axis of evil crap, supporting hezbullah, israel, nukes issue etc. All these by far over shadow their want for friendlier relationship with the west, because america puts it foot in its mouth again and again. and that works in favour of the iranian leadership, ahmadinijaad seems to be gaining more ground by the day.

[mercenary2k]

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@Ma Mooli

No reply for post no 43? This one was for antiobl.

The leadership does enjoy the support of the majority, when khatami stepped down, rafsanjani took his place as the most popular with the elite and a reformer, however his repuation was marred by corruption, ahmadinijaad background favoured him in theelections. He did not use the hardline anti-american basis, neither did he use the nuke issue, his motto was to reach out to the poor, that, his past reputation and his corrupt opponent saw him through to win the secound round. Its not that hard to fathom, especially if you know the iranians, if the minority dont support ahmadinijaad, they still support the supreme leader, ayatullah khamanei.

Then explain the mass student protests?

Then explain if Ahmedinijad is so popular among Iranians why did the Ayatollahs remove all the reform candidates from the ballot?

[Ma_Mooli]

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Ill say it again, read post number 43, it tells all.

[mercenary2k]

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@Ma Mooli

Ill say it again, read post number 43, it tells all.

I will respond to it soon

[mercenary2k]

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Russia is playing a dangerous game.

Its arming the most fanatical regime since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with Nuclear Weapons, which has sworn to kill Jews and wipe Israel off the map and said the Holocaust is a myth opening the way for it to launch another Holocaust upon the Jews by firing Nuclear Missiles. Even if 1 Nuclear Missile hits Israel, its damage can be apocalyptical upon the tiny Jewish state.

While it does this, it is helping Israel launching spy satellites to spy on Iran. Sounds like Russia is arming both sides while it watches as both of them duke it out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12481685/

MOSCOW - Russia on Tuesday launched a satellite for Israel that the Israelis say will be used to spy on Iran’s nuclear program.The Eros B satellite was launched from a mobile pad at the Svobodny Cosmodrome in the Far East, said Alexei Kuznetsov, a spokesman for the Russian military space forces.
About 20 minutes later, the satellite successfully reached orbit, Russian news agencies reported, citing the space forces’ press service. Israel’s Channel 10 TV reported that the launch was successful, but the satellite would not deploy its power panels for another day and a half.

he satellite is designed to spot objects on the ground as small as 27½ inches (70 centimeters), an Israeli defense official said. That level of resolution would allow Israel to gather information on Iran’s nuclear program and its long-range missiles, which are capable of striking Israel, he said.
“The most important thing in a satellite is its ability to photograph and its resolution,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive subject matter. “This satellite has very high resolution, and (state-run) Israel Aircraft Industries has a great ability to process information that is relayed.”
It could take up to 10 days to see whether the images that are transmitted are sharp and clear, he said.
Russia, which has developed ties with Israel since the collapse of the Soviet Union, is also a major commercial partner of Tehran and is building an $800 million nuclear power station in Bushehr, southern Iran.
But it insists that the transfer of nuclear technology to Iran will not endanger the non-proliferation regime and has rejected U.S. calls to abandon the project as well as to halt military sales to Tehran. The Russian defense minister confirmed Monday that Moscow will go ahead and supply Iran with sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles.
Israel has for years regarded Iran as the primary threat to its survival, disputing Tehran’s claims that its nuclear program is peaceful. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made this threat more tangible by repeatedly questioning Israel’s right to exist, most recently on Monday, when he said Israel was a “fake regime” that “cannot logically continue to live.”
An attempt to launch a military spy satellite, Amos 6, failed last year. Amos 5 is still in orbit, and Channel 10 reported Israel plans to launch another spy satellite next year.

ran’s threatening comments about Israel had special resonance on Tuesday, which Israel marked as Holocaust remembrance day. Israeli Nobel peace laureate Shimon Peres, in Poland for observances, drew a parallel between Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.
“We will haven’t recovered from this (the Holocaust) and I still hear these calls from Iran to destroy Israel,” Peres said.
Ahmadinejad’s words, he added, “are enough to put us all on alert.”

[mercenary2k]

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"Iran and Israel have been threatening each other since 1979, they have been mutual enemies ever since. Recently however, it was israel's suspicion of irans intention about nukes that triggered off the pre-emptive threats, which resulted in Ahmadinijaad threatning retaliation if israel or america attacked. Pre-emptive is obviously a first strike without warning. Retaliation incase of attack is merely a reaction. The instigator here is therefore Israel. "

-->Actually, its Mr.Ahmedinijad who first threatened Israel. He is the one who said the holcocaust is a myth and Israel should be wiped off the map. Its Shabab-3 Missiles are a direct existential threat to Israel. He is the one who called a conference on the "myth" of the holocaust. Iran is the one which supports Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad who are all sworn upon the destruction of Israel. The instigator here is therefore is Iran.

"No Iran does not face the threat of being 'wiped out of existance', and niether does Israel or pakistan for that matter. I think we need a reality check. Like i said Iran doesn't have a problem with jews living there, it has a problem with the 'state' of israel being built on other nations such as palestine. By your logic the palestinian should be given the means and the nuclear technology by america to fight israel, because not only are they under threat from being wiped out, thousands of them have already been wiped out since the creation of Israel..so what do you say eh?"

-->Since Israel was created on areas which had a Jewish majority and that negates that argument. The only reason that refugees were created and Israel expanded was due to the Arab invasion on Israel and their attempt to destroy it and thier blatant attempt to potray Jews as animals backfired which caused the Palestinians to flee in fear rather than fight which was its original intent. Iran does indeed have a problem with Jews living in Iran, as to the trial of 20 Iranian Jews who were convicted to being spies for Israel. Since there is only 1 Jewish state, a small Jewish state, normal rules of world doctrine cannot be applied so boldly upon Israel.

"read again nukes iran cud careless for nukes hence the babble was irrelevent. "

-->Iran sees it self as the leader of the Islamic World and as such needs the military might to back up that claim and hence Nuclear Weapons.

"you know who hashimi rafsanjani is? im presuming not, since he was the main opponent to ahmadinijaad, and a reformist candidate. rafsanjani was more for the elite and the youth, ahmadinijaad won because of his track record as a mayor, and his support for the underclass."

-->You are persuming wrong. I do know who Rafsanjani. But that is irrelevant. You remove all the moderate candidates and leave Ahmadinijaad and Rafsanjani to contest the election. This is a fraud democracy and there is absolutley nothing that you can say to me which is going to convince me otherwise.

"Assuming again. no credibility whatsoever. especially considering they have repeatedly asked the europeans to do it and have no intention of seeing to it themselves. Besides, they dont need nukes for israel, they have thier right hand team, hizbullah."

-->Hezbullah is a nuisance, not a threat to Israel's existence. Iran cannot use Hezbollah to wipe out Israel. The only way to wipe out a race of people and a country is by firing Nuclear Weapons on it and that is what is Iran's stated goal.

"If that historian was the only guy to debate it, you may have had a point. But the exaggeration of the account has been debated my many historians, who are not considered neo nazi. This was before the Iranian President called it a myth. IMO believing the tragedy did occur is one thing, but to exaggereate and not let anyone question the contradicting detail coming out, is abit pathetic to say the least. To label them anti semite and neo nazi is a typical zionist trait. IMO you can thank the zionits themselves for turning the whole thing into a myth."

-->Which historians? Please name them to me. Almost all of them are closet Nazis. The holocaust myth is used by Jew bashing anti-semites from Neo-Nazis in Germany to Neo-Nazis in USA to Arab and Muslim anti-semites. 62 Million people died in World War II, 6 million Jews died in Hitler's gas chambers. Its not a myth its a fact. I have been Aushwitz and other German concentration camps. I much rather take the word of Holocaust survivors, General Zhukov, Dwight D. Eisenhower,the meticilous German record keeping, Nuremberg Trials, which all stated that 6 Million Jews died than your view or Ahmedinijad. No offense, but they have a lot more credibility than you.

"Ofcourse not. The US will not take the fatwa into account for the obvious reason that they wont have a case left to build on. They need the nuke excuse desperately if they want to isolate and attack Iran.

A fatwa by a mujtahid holds huge significance in Iran, but people are either too ignorant or unwilling to see these basic facts. If the average person used their two bit brain cell and study the iranian/shia culture, they would realise the power of a religious edict from the highest spiritual leader of iran... which is why it is pretty obvious to me their intentions are wholly peaceful and the american gov is having you guys on...which is nothing new either"

-->Fatwa absolutely holds no signifiance. A cleric in Egypt issued a Fatwa against Osama bin Laden and then explain the numerous terrorist bombings that occured after that fatwa was issued. Some Iranian clerics could hold that to be true but what is to stop some element in the Iranian government making nuclear weapons and giving it to Hezbollah and using them on Israel and then calling it a whole Zionist plot to destroy the Islamic World when Israel retaliates. The Iranian FATWA holds ZERO credibility with me or anyone with a Brain. You mean to tell me that the world is going to dicatate its foreign policy towards Iran based on a Fatwa. Iran's intentions are not peaceful. They are based on the same Nazi principles of regional domination just as Germany wanted to dominate Europe. They are also based on Jew bashing and denouncing Democracy.

No offense, but all of your arguments put forth have failed. I am just shocked that you even put them forward. No wonder muslims can't debate the Palestinian issue properly and realistically.

[Ma_Mooli]

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can i ask why you dont use quote tags?

[mercenary2k]

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Ahmedinejad continues to yap/Answer Ahmadinejad (merged)

i just want to get one satisfactory answer to one of ahmadinejad's claims. this is not to say i agree or disagree with his statements, but i want to know the answer to one of his claims.

if EUROPE committed the holocaust, if EUROPE started WWII, if EUROPE tortured the jews for centuries, if EUROPE had pogroms all over Russia......why didn't EUROPE pay for those crimes and why wasn't Israel founded in EUROPE? why punish people who had nothing to do with EUROPE's crimes?

just answer that claim.

[Captain1]

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sorry symbol, there are way too many threads on this same issue, I have to merge with similar.

[mercenary2k]

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@symbol

i just want to get one satisfactory answer to one of ahmadinejad's claims. this is not to say i agree or disagree with his statements, but i want to know the answer to one of his claims.

if EUROPE committed the holocaust, if EUROPE started WWII, if EUROPE tortured the jews for centuries, if EUROPE had pogroms all over Russia......why didn't EUROPE pay for those crimes and why wasn't Israel founded in EUROPE? why punish people who had nothing to do with EUROPE's crimes?

just answer that claim.

I have already answered this question countless times

Read some other posts about Israel and Palestine and you will have your answer there

[antiobl]

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@symbol

......if EUROPE committed the holocaust, if EUROPE started WWII, if EUROPE tortured the jews for centuries, if EUROPE had pogroms all over Russia......why didn't EUROPE pay for those crimes and why wasn't Israel founded in EUROPE? why punish people who had nothing to do with EUROPE's crimes?

just answer that claim.

Europe paid dearly. Ever heard of the destruction of Nazis? Nauramburg trials?

Ahmadenejad is a little pipsqueak, trained in the art of Hujra style childish arguments.

Formation of Israel may have European connection. However you can't ignore the role of Arabs in selling their lands to Jewish people.

Only in Arab mind, you can sell land one day, and try to reclaim it the next.

People who pay you to buy your land, can also pay the armed guards to protect their property. If you insist on getting your land back, then create terror , well the same armed guards will come and kick you out of your own house (that you haven't sold) too.

This is how life works. You sell something, spend all the money that you got for it, and then go back to the purchaser and threaten to take it back for free is a big NO NO!

[Pak_Brave_Heart]

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@antiobl

Formation of Israel may have European connection. However you can't ignore the role of Arabs in selling their lands to Jewish people.

who the sold palestine to the jewish nazis ? How can one sell an entire country ?

If I buy a a lot of plots of land in Canada, does that give me the right to create my own country inside canada ?

This bas-tard cancer state called "israel" was created by the white man to compensate for the the holocaust. Why should arabs give up their land to compenstate for white man's crimes ?

If the whites love jews so much, they should give part of Texas to Jews and let jews create israel in part of Texas.

Israel was created by force by white europeans, by uprooting the local palestinians. Israel will also be uprooted by force. Artificial states like aparthied south africa and HOng Kong dont last very long. Once the natives become powerful they kick out the foreigners.

[mercenary2k]

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@Pak Brave Heart

who the sold palestine to the jewish nazis ? How can one sell an entire country ?

If I buy a a lot of plots of land in Canada, does that give me the right to create my own country inside canada ?

This bas-tard cancer state called "israel" was created by the white man to compensate for the the holocaust. Why should arabs give up their land to compenstate for white man's crimes ?

If the whites love jews so much, they should give part of Texas to Jews and let jews create israel in part of Texas.

Israel was created by force by white europeans, by uprooting the local palestinians. Israel will also be uprooted by force. Artificial states like aparthied south africa and HOng Kong dont last very long. Once the natives become powerful they kick out the foreigners.

Israel is a great nation and I am so proud of Israel fighting off these vicious bloodthirsty arabs for over 60 years.

Israel was created on areas which had a Jewish Majority.

Its a simple concept, understand it or shut up