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Sure, but the Mullahs who put him in power have been there 25 years. Remeber that the Mullahs disqualified 2500 reform candidates from running for office. Iran is not a "Force to be reconed with". They are following a time proven path to failure, by throwing every disposable cent into military weapons while the economy rots. Foreign investment fled the country enmass when Nutjob was elected. Any expansion that involves debt has skidded to a stop, as everybody wonders what Nutjob will do next.

If he gets a nuke, how long before he issues an ultimatum to Isreal to leave immediately or face nuclear holocaust? Isreal will have no choice but to act first, they have premptively struck before. Do not tell me that this could never happen, Nutjob has so much but said it. Tell me how this benefits the world....

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ohio ,

The unemployment in France is 10% and in Iron it is 11%. Is there going to be a “overthrow” of government in France ?

The unemployment in Brazil, Philapies, Argentina is more then in Iron, do you think there will be overthrow in those countries ?

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

YOu are here only to spread newcon propaganda. Basicly you will spread propaganda against any country that can challenge you and get rid of your super power status. USSR was the bad guy in the past. Now is Iron. CHina will be your bad guy in the future. The same old story…

**NOTE: You have been warned before, DO NOT use anything other than nicks to address guppies. **

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How do you know ? Have you seen a gallop poll ? 90% of Mus-lims are with Iron and so is Most of the developing world according to gallop polls.

Do some research before vomitting your two cents.

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are you ironian ? have you ever been to Iron ? how the fu*k do you know, how the average Ironian in Iron thinks , when you have never set a foot in Iron ?

YOu are a dhoti Indian, and talking about a subject you don’t know. You should better concentrate on Patel/ Gujrati politics.

Buying a farmhouse and maintaining it.....
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PBH,
its iran not "iron". dont mock their name. wud it be fine to call you POK brave heart?

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Nothing new here. He is asking the Europeans to clean up the huge crap they created in the mideast, which is IMO a pretty valid point. And so long as the crap is there, he is within his right to say it like it is. Distorting it out of proportion is typical zionist trait. Perhaps they should note the verbal threats Israel has been making on a constant basis, and everything 'dinejaad says is suddenly put into better perspective.

:rolleyes: @ Haaretz daily.

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And what might those verbal threats be? I have not heard an Israeli leader say that they will wipe Iran off the map, which they have the capability to do. I have not heard Zionist call for the destruction of Iran. I have not heard Israel say it is going to send in holy warriors. Israel has not made any threats.

Like Ohioguy said, Muslims refuse to look at their own leaders and world with any critical thought. Nutjob here wants to divert attention away from a failed revolution. Iran predicts that within 2 years, if the current trends hold up, the youth unemployment rate will be over 50%. How will nuclear weapons help them then? Rightnow 34% of people 25-29 are unemployed. Nutjob’s barking has more to do with the states failure than anythign else. He and his mullah puppet masters can only hide behind the zionist conspiracy for so long.

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Whilst Isreal has its mouthpiece (america) to do its dirty work on a larger scale, however, she has on a numerous occasion threatened to attack Iran over the non existant nukes, and Bush has agreed to sit by and watch. looking at Israel history, it would be naive to ignore these threats, hence why 'dinijaad is pretty much reacting in defense. And you would know all this had you bothered to broaden your horizons a tad bit to get the real picture.

Secondly, with israel already having nuclear weapons, with foriegn forces in neigbouring Iraq, afganistan, and other arab countries, it would only be natural that iran is feeling isolated and under threat, hence it is not unreasonable of them to act defensively or even think about acquiring nukes for the sake of detterent. Whether they intend to or not at present, is another issue altogether.

President Ahmadinijaad was elected on the basis of his work for the poorer working class in tehran. Infact, it was mainly the poorer provinces that voted him in. And he was the same guy nominated for the top world Mayor in 2005. So if anyone is in tune with the needs of the average iranian people, it would be him and not some random nutcase vying for thier death inorder to liberate them. Neither some warmongerer sitting thousand of miles away trying to assume what is going on in Iran through some second hand sources. Do not try and preach to someone whose prolly done more for iranians than you could ever fathom. get off your bleedin high horse already.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=186322&highlight=mayor+tehran

Final point; obviously you are unaware of the facts that the nukes issue is not solely in hands of Ahmadinjaad’s. Ayatullah Khamanei is the spiritual leader of Iran, and has long given a fatwa against Nuclear weapons stating that* only savages wanting destruction of humanity, would chase such formidable weapons*, and by looking at who does have them already, by God, he aint half right.

You are being spun the nukes thing just like you were spun the WMD with saddam. And some of you fall head right over heals again andagain..and again. What was that proverb again..fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..shame on me. you guys seem to have a mental block everytimes it comes to arabs or muslims.

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Israel has threatened Iran over its nukes because Iran has pledged to wipe Israel off the map. You cannot wipe ISrael off the map by conventional means, so that means you have to use Nuclear weapons to do this. Israel has never said it wants to destroy Iran, its Iran who has said this. Dinijaad reacting in defense? LOL… Since when did Israel say its going to destroy Iran.

Israel has nuclear weapons for defensive purposes. It is surrounded by hostile Arab neighbours who have threatened to destroy it if they have the means and the military capability to do so. USA can be a source of economic benefit for so long. If USA aid stops, Israel would have to make a choice between a strong economy and a strong military. Having nuclear weapons gives them this edge. If Arab and Muslim countries attack Israel in order to destroy it, Israel can launch nuclear weapons against those arab states. Its called Mutually Assured Destruction. The Arabs have a larger army, they have larger population +300 million plus as compared to only 5 million Israelis, that means they can sustain more casualties where as Israel cannot. Even the loss of 10,000 troops on the battlefield would be catastropic for Israel, where as Arabs could lose 100,000 men and still field huge armies.

In view of this, the Arab large conventional, economic, population advantages is negated by the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons.

Look at Libya, it disarmed and now its being accepted in the world community. Same thing goes for South Africa, Brazil, Argentina. They all had nuclear programs and now they disarmed. Iran has no need for nukes.

Pakistan has rivalry with India, thats why Pakistan needs nuclear weapons to main a strategic balance of power. Iran’s enemies is the WEST and USA. They can make Iran into a cinder in less than 5 minutes. Iran is not a global power and thus cannot engage global powers with Nuclear weapons. China can, Russia can, Brazil can, not Iran.

President Ahmadinijaad was elected on a fraud election. All the liberals and reformists were not allowed to run. This is a democracy? Don’t you understand the basic concept of a democracy. Where anyone who can run should be allowed to run and let the people decide. You say that only savages want destruction of humanity, then why is Iran making statements that Israel should be wiped off the map and the holocaust is a myth. Obviously the only way to wipe it off the map is to fire Nuclear Weapons on it and kill all the people who live there. As for the fatwa, it can change as time progresses. The iranian fatwa has ZERO credibility with me.

As for Saadam, he was making nuclear weapons, Israel took out his facility in 1981, he fired chemical weapons on Iran and the Kurds. If he had the means and the capability to make nuclear weapons, he would have done so. You cannot tell me that a person like Saadam is a rational person. Is he the face of Islam, Arabs and Muslims, Saadam???
Thats like saying that the face of Germans is Hitler.

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Do you even know what the heck you are taking about ?

Do you know that in America in the 1950’s, you as a communist would have been arrested ? The AMerican government banned the communist party and use to arrest its own citizens if they were suspected of being communists. Where is the democracy in that ? where every one who can run should be allowed to run and let the people decide.

I-ran will not let any one stand in election if they are against the government, just like the American government did not let any one stand in election if they were suspected of being communists !!!

what the f*ck don’t you understand ?

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PBH it's clear you don't understand how the governement of Iran works. the unelected Guardian Council approves who can run and who cannot. As you said anyone who doesn't share the views with the current regime cannot run, for the most part that is true, yet you want to defend that position?

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So America in the 1950’s banning communists which is acknowledged by all Americans as a shameful process. So this somehow justifies Iran in 2006 from kicking out reformists.

That means that you also make the analogy that USA allowing Slavery also allows Iran to have slaves as well.

Wha, Wha, Wha, what a suberb analogy. :rotfl:

The stupidity of your reply has given me all the answers I need.

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Israel has threatened Iran over its nukes because Iran has pledged to wipe Israel off the map. You cannot wipe ISrael off the map by conventional means, so that means you have to use Nuclear weapons to do this. Israel has never said it wants to destroy Iran, its Iran who has said this. Dinijaad reacting in defense? LOL... Since when did Israel say its going to destroy Iran.
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Like i said, Israel has threatened to attack, Iran has every reason to be prepared and on the defensive.

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Israel has nuclear weapons for defensive purposes. It is surrounded by hostile Arab neighbours who have threatened to destroy it if they have the means and the military capability to do so. USA can be a source of economic benefit for so long. If USA aid stops, Israel would have to make a choice between a strong economy and a strong military. Having nuclear weapons gives them this edge. If Arab and Muslim countries attack Israel in order to destroy it, Israel can launch nuclear weapons against those arab states. Its called Mutually Assured Destruction. The Arabs have a larger army, they have larger population +300 million plus as compared to only 5 million Israelis, that means they can sustain more casualties where as Israel cannot. Even the loss of 10,000 troops on the battlefield would be catastropic for Israel, where as Arabs could lose 100,000 men and still field huge armies.
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Everyone of these excuses can easily be turned around and used by Iran. Isolation and fear of attack from neigbours or hostile forces does not apply to israel only. It doesnt really fly.

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In view of this, the Arab large conventional, economic, population advantages is negated by the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons.

Look at Libya, it disarmed and now its being accepted in the world community. Same thing goes for South Africa, Brazil, Argentina. They all had nuclear programs and now they disarmed. Iran has no need for nukes.

Pakistan has rivalry with India, thats why Pakistan needs nuclear weapons to main a strategic balance of power. Iran's enemies is the WEST and USA. They can make Iran into a cinder in less than 5 minutes. Iran is not a global power and thus cannot engage global powers with Nuclear weapons. China can, Russia can, Brazil can, not Iran.
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..and your point is..? iran could care less..

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President Ahmadinijaad was elected on a fraud election. All the liberals and reformists were not allowed to run. This is a democracy? Don't you understand the basic concept of a democracy. Where anyone who can run should be allowed to run and let the people decide.
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Actually they were allowed to run a full campaign. Where do u get your sources from?

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You say that only savages want destruction of humanity, then why is Iran making statements that Israel should be wiped off the map and the holocaust is a myth. Obviously the only way to wipe it off the map is to fire Nuclear Weapons on it and kill all the people who live there. As for the fatwa, it can change as time progresses. The iranian fatwa has ZERO credibility with me.
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Because unlike israel, they are not busy wiping out a whole nation already. They are repeatedly asking the europeans to clean up their mess, so obviously they have no plans of cleaning up the europeans crap for them. Wiping israel of the map is a typical flowery iranian lingo, maybe dismantling 'israel' into palestine is a better translation.

what he thinks about the holocaust is irrelevant here. Alot of historians, professors think it has become a myth in that it has been over exaggerated. Its nothing new and has been debated over for quite a while now. if i were you, i would stop putting 2 and 2 together and making 11.

As for the fatwa, no it cant be changed with time. Once given it cannot be retracted. As for its credibility with you, im really sorry but your not really that significant in the iranian scheme of things. For the iranians however, it is different. whatever the fatwa says, goes. It is a matter of faith.

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As for Saadam, he was making nuclear weapons, Israel took out his facility in 1981, he fired chemical weapons on Iran and the Kurds. If he had the means and the capability to make nuclear weapons, he would have done so. You cannot tell me that a person like Saadam is a rational person. Is he the face of Islam, Arabs and Muslims, Saadam??? Thats like saying that the face of Germans is Hitler.
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whether saddam was a sane or insane, making nukes or not, it doesnt change the fact about Israel and her willingness to attack pre-emptively based on suspicion. All the more reason for Iran to be wary of her behaivour. Iran only talks, israel is crazy enough to carry it out.

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Like i said, Israel has threatened to attack, Iran has every reason to be prepared and on the defensive.
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Israel has threatened to attack nuclear sites in Iran because Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map and could give Nuclear weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas. Get your facts straight.

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Everyone of these excuses can easily be turned around and used by Iran. Isolation and fear of attack from neigbours or hostile forces does not apply to israel only. It doesnt really fly.
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-->None of these excuses can be used by Iran. Iran does not face a threat of existence nor an annexation of territory by a more powerful neighbour as Israel and Pakistan does.

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..and your point is..? iran could care less..
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-->Exactly. Thats why a regime like that armed with nuclear weapons is a very dangerous equation. You just proved my point.

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Actually they were allowed to run a full campaign. Where do u get your sources from?
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-->Actually no they were not. All reformist candidates were vetted out. Where do you get your sources from Al Jazeera?

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Because unlike israel, they are not busy wiping out a whole nation already. They are repeatedly asking the europeans to clean up their mess, so obviously they have no plans of cleaning up the europeans crap for them. Wiping israel of the map is a typical flowery iranian lingo, maybe dismantling 'israel' into palestine is a better translation.

what he thinks about the holocaust is irrelevant here. Alot of historians, professors think it has become a myth in that it has been over exaggerated. Its nothing new and has been debated over for quite a while now. if i were you, i would stop putting 2 and 2 together and making 11.

As for the fatwa, no it cant be changed with time. Once given it cannot be retracted. As for its credibility with you, im really sorry but your not really that significant in the iranian scheme of things. For the iranians however, it is different. whatever the fatwa says, goes. It is a matter of faith.
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-->Whether dismantling Israel into Palestine is a better lingo or not, the fact of the matter is, Iran does not want a Jewish state to exist. They have said they are going to wipe it off the map and that only means the use of Nuclear Weapons. As for the holocaust, your opinion and using Neo-Nazi professors and historians to back up the claims shows to me the lack of utter understanding you have in regards to it. The holocaust did happen, 6 million Jews did die, whether you like it or not. If these same historians came out and said that less than 7 thousand muslims died during the partition of India, lets see how much credence you give them then. You are obviously going to beleive those people who think like you no matter whether they are Neo-Nazis, Racists, etc...
As for Israel wiping out Palestine diatribe. You are making absolutely no sense there what so ever. As for the fatwa, its a joke. Do you really think that the world is going to beleive some clerical fatwa that says that Iran will not make nuclear weapons.

Perhaps its you that should stop putting 2 and 2 together and making 11.

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its clear you don't understand how the government of Us works. The Us government in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and so on use to approve who can run or not run ( communists could not run cause they were accused of trying to overthrow the govt). The people(often communists) in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's america who didn't share the views with the then american regime could not run !!!! for the most part that is true, yet you want to defend that position ?

NOTE: PBH, you have been warned before, use only nicks to address guppies, no twisting either!

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Why are you bringing 1950's USA into this???

Why dont you bring 2004 and 2006 USA when Arabs and Muslims running for congress and the senate.

You tell me that if Christians had flown planes into buildings in Egypt that Egypt will allow Christians to run in their elections, etc...

It is clear who does and who does not understand how the world works, and that is clearly you, PBH...

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hahahhahahhahahha

how many Mus-lims have ever been elected to Us congress or senate ?

In Pak.istan we have seats reserved for Minorities !!! why doesn’t the Us reserve seats for minorities in its congress ?

Blacks are 13% of Us population, yet you only have 1 black senator out of 100 senators. Hispanic are 14% of population yet you have no hispanic senator !!!

What you smoking ?

And I am bringing 1950’s america just to show you that the so called “land of freedom” too won’t let you stand in election if they are scared of your political views.

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Iran vowed on Wednesday to strike at U.S. interests worldwide if it is attacked by the United States, which is keeping military options open in case diplomacy fails to curb Tehran’s nuclear program.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei made the threat two days before the U.N. nuclear watchdog reports on whether Iran is meeting Security Council demands to halt uranium enrichment.

Iran says it will not stop enrichment, which it says is purely for civilian purposes and not part of what the United States says is a clandestine effort to make atomic bombs.

“The Americans should know that if they assault Iran their interests will be harmed anywhere in the world that is possible,” Khamenei was quoted as saying by state television.

“The Iranian nation will respond to any blow with double the intensity,” he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060426/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc_20

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What zeal.

Zeal is used to cover up/stop feelings of uncertainty and anxiousness.

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To Answer your last Question. I dont smoke.

Maybe you have forgotten that USA is a democracy and people get elected to different houses of congress by people voting for them.

Its a very simple concept.

Now you said that if Blacks make up a certain percentage of the population how come it doesn't reflect that in the senate and congress.

Maybe its because Blacks are not as ardent voters as whites.

Its the votes that matter. As for assigning quotas as you claim in Pakistan, that is done in socitieis which are fragmented on ethnic lines and to please the ethnic groups certain positions are saved for that ethnic group.

This is done in most 3rd world countries which were artificially created due to colonization.

Look at Iraq, Nigeria, Lebanon, etc..

They all implement the same procedure. But in the West, its not the case...

because there is no need for it.

And if blacks do vote or don't appear as divisive then they can get elected such as Barack Obama.

My Question to you sir is what Were you smoking when you were learning basic civics???