Time for me to rant. i am absolutely sick and tired of seeing all these threads in the Religion Forum regarding - “Why Ahmadis believe this”, or comments in diverse posts stating, “All people who believe in XXXX will perish in hell”. Who are we to judge someone else’s fate in the next world? i am extremely interested to learn how many of us are perfect? How many of us have NEVER committed a sin in our lives and will never commit a sin in the future?
Why are we so seemingly concerned about other peoples’ belief systems - to each individual, their own religious beliefs are as precious and cherished as we hold ours. To devout Jews, their beliefs are as dear as ours are to us. What gives? Why won’t we learn to live and let live? Surely we have SOOO many other aspects of our lives to worry about - instead of worrying about whom to designate as the next “Kafir”, why don’t we declare jihad on our own ignorance? Why don’t we declare jihad on poverty? Why don’t we worry about global issues that affect millions of innocent individuals around the world instead of worrying about categorizing each other as “Ahmadi”, “Qadiani”, “Shia”, blah blah blah.
What do we possibly gain from doing this except weakening our own condition ?
We all need to be more tolerant and respectful of other faiths. None of us here (that I'm aware of) have been delivered any stone tablets. I think I am in the minority because I believe a person of any faith can find God. No one can say what the right path is for another. Just because someone has a different interpretation of ancient scripture (or different scripture) does not mean they are right and someone else is wrong - no matter how convinced they are. (I take exception when people put silly limitations on what God allows us to do - like listen to music).
A lot of people take religion at face value - without spiritual introspection, only scriptural interpretation. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and every other faith that fall into that category. Maybe it is because of where we are born or the culture in which we were raised, but I have found that these people are generally very adament about the righteousness of their faith and judge the fallacy of others. A true and strong spiritual (not religous) foundation necessitates the belief that we, as individuals, just don't know what the path is for someone else.
Degas
Think about why these Ahmadi threads run into two, sometimes three, pages in length - who sustains them for so long? It is not solely the Ahmadis in these threads who are debating with each other; it’s other nonAhmadi individuals who pronounce judgements against them. This sustains the thread’s longevity but creates so many conflicts amongst ourselves. One aspect i have noticed about Guppies is that we love to categorize each other, whether it’s kafir/Qadiani/Shia/Hindu - stick a label upon someone and i guess that signifies that we now have ‘understood’ this individual and can move on to categorizing the next Guppy. Game set match, baat khatam.
Regarding perfection - God knows i have faults enough of my own. That’s why i believe we are treading on such sensitive ground whenever we judge others’ beliefs.
sigh i don’t know, i’m rambling. i do agree with this quote of yours:
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Seminole,
Really nice thoughts. Thank you for sharing.
Absolutely.
i don’t know - i mean, who are we to judge against ANYone whether s/he is atheist or Buddhist. Maybe it’s a reflection of one’s own insecurities.
Re: Re: Re: Ahmadis/Qadianis/Jews/Kafirs - who cares?
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
Absolutely.
i don't know - i mean, who are we to judge against ANYone whether s/he is atheist or Buddhist. Maybe it's a reflection of one's own insecurities.
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No one called Qadiani 'kaafirz'. They are non-Muslims, according to the constitution of Pakistan and a general Muslims' point of view. They can be catogrized as Zindeeq and/or Murtid as well (may be someone else can shed a light on this).
And Jews and Christians are not kaafirs either, they are people of book. But with believe in Trinity, some Christians are Mushrik as well.
Kaafirz are hindus, budhists and athiests who do not believe in the God (God of Abraham).
And no....we are not thekedaar of Islam. Allah has made these rules not us. I am gonna ask Him too when I meet him inshallah. Why its every Muslim's duty to defend Islam. People are believing in some 19th century's man as Prophet and still claiming themselves as Muslims. Why we need to explain them everytime that 'brother use any name you want but not Muslim since Allah has drew the line'. And then we are blamed for being narrow minded or thekedaar of deen.
Smoothie and Islmaburbad. When I was born, my grandpa spoke Azan into my ear; when you have kids, may be you can speak "Ahmadis are non-muslim" into their ears. Start them off young, just as you were started. You guys are only motivated by hatred, and you use Islam and Allah as an excuse for your hate mongering. Ahmadis are non-Muslim, Shias are non-Muslim, Hindus are non-Muslim, Allah is non-Muslim, Hima Maleeni is non-Muslim, Samentha Fox is non-Muslim (or is she?). What difference does it make to you what people call themselves? If you think Osama can be called a Muslim, why not Ahmadis, who are not nearly half as bad. Do you know what was the total number of Muslims by the time of the death of Prophet Mohammad, or even a 100 years after that? Take a guess. Looking at the history, if Israel tomorrow invades, you will start calling Jews as Muslim. As Nadia pointed out, you are very insecure in your beliefs.
What Nadia wants to tell that majority of Muslims know nothing about Islam. Rest of the people should not take their ugly mentality very seriously, hence Jihad is actually such a love and beauty.
Islambad and Smooth. I want to apologize for my previous post. You have every right to think of people as you see fit. I would be a hypocrite by telling you not to think what you think. I don't know about other Ahmadis, but I don’t mind being called a Kafir or a Non-Muslim. It's OK with me. Really. I believe that God will grill my backside regardless of what you call me.
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He has also ordained that we should help widows and orphans. He has also decreed that we should respect each other, make sure our neighbours have something to eat. Ensure respect for our elders and love towards those younger than us. Implement justice in each and every dealing and transaction we make day to day. How much emphasis is given towards these rules?
i just think we are wasting our time by not prioritizing what is more important. Imagine all the talks and pamphlets, roundtable discussions, seminars and lectures, books and judgements that have been passed about this issue. How about something along the lines of implementing affordable healthcare for Mali? The Muslims there, particularly women who are pregnant, have little to no access to elementary forms of healthcare. They are our Muslim sisters - are they not? Wouldn't this be a better form of jihad than worrying about the next kafir who crosses our path?
Right now Dubai holds the guinness world records for the tallest hotel constructed in the world. It also boasts itself as the shopping hub of the Gulf as well as being internationally renowned for its golf courses that are second to none. Instead of all this, why don't their sheikhs construct a few hospitals in an east African country? That is a fundamental part of Islam's rules as well - looking out for each other.
ur rite…i think i am doing my part very well, may be beyond the call of duty. u don’ t know my domestic life and my responsiblities.
Ur right on the haqooqul ibaad stuff…that should be priority for Muslims. But those who possess resources have no brain to use in the right direction.
Defending Islam according to Allah’s book and Prophet’s saying is also an obligation for us. perhaps in a peacefull and constructive manner. not like killing and conquering each other’s mosques as its happening in Pakistan. But I think every religion has its right to draw a line of its border. So has Islam. Allah has greater right on us and on its religion. He wants to draw a line so are we to argue? Hazrat AbuBakar 's example is best…as he (with the full support of all the sahaba) battled against all the false prophets. Even though there was a greater enemy ‘Roman Empire’ on the door step, but he managed the situation on both fronts.
i am absolutely sick and tired of seeing all these threads in the Religion Forum regarding - “Why Ahmadis believe this”, or comments in diverse posts stating, “All people who believe in XXXX will perish in hell”. Who are we to judge someone else’s fate in the next world? i am extremely interested to learn how many of us are perfect? How many of us have NEVER committed a sin in our lives and will never commit a sin in the future?
's example is best…as he (with the full support of all the sahaba) battled against all the false prophets. Even though there was a greater enemy ‘Roman Empire’ on the door step, but he managed the situation on both fronts.