Salam,
Over a period of the last 25 years, Muslim clerics (Mullas) have successfully carried out a relentless campaign against the** Ahmadiyya Community**. In Pakistan, they have prevailed upon the State to declare them Non-Muslims, while in many other Islamic countries they have pressurized compliant governments to adopt anti-Ahmadiyya attitudes and policies.
My question is why is that so? There are so many paraghraphs against them, they are treated there as non-human beings.
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Wrong Section Lady
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oh yes..so sorry
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They disrespect Islam by refusing to accept the finality of the Last messneger of Allah. Even a non religious secularist like me finds them offensive. They deserve slaps, which they get in Pakistan.
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My question is why is that so? There are so many paraghraphs against them, they are treated there as non-human beings.
Are there any Qadiyani mullahs...if so and given the fact that its such a reviled label/title, how do you refer to them...
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It is obvious that the LADY who posted the question does not really know what the Ahmadiyas believe in!
I am NOT a "MULLA" but have studied many religions and the facts are as follows:
1st: They believe that Mirza Ghulam Hmed of Qadiyan was a "Mujaddid" (i.e., some one who made a new Islam - in Arabic 'Jadid' means new and Mujaddid is the person who makes something new). Well, does not that mean that their Islam is new!!
2nd: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed od Qadiyan himself claimed to be another prophet. He said that Hadrad Mohammad SAW was just the 'seal' of prophets and not the last prophet. He translated 'Khatim-un-Nabiyeen' (Khatam in Arabic as well - as in Urdu is "The End" like in Kaam Khatam ho gaya) but he palyed on a second meaning of the word Khatam in Arabic and that is the "Seal or even Rubber Stamp". Now, in the whole of the world and especially in the Arab World you complete a letter or Royal Decree or Edict, sign it and then seal it to close the document. It is placed in an envelope and again closed and then sealed... this means that no more changes, renewals or ammendments are allowed and the task is finished. Even in that sense The Khatim-un-Nabiyeen would be the person who would be the end of the line of Nabiyeen (prophets). So how come an new claimant of prophethood (as claimed by himself and believed by the group called Qadianis) emerges?
3rd: The funniest belief of all is that the man claims to be a Prophet and the Ahmadiyas say no he is not a Prophet (so he is liar or a false claimant) yet we believe that he is a Mujaddid!! Is it not funny, they call him a liar or a false claimant and yet believe he is what he did not ever claim to be.
4th: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadiyaan claims that the prophet Jesus (Christ) was not taken up to Heaven by Allah as written in th Holy Quran and rather, he ran away from the Romans and escaped, travelling all the way to Kashmir, where he lived for another 70 years before dying and being burried in Srinagar and that he has decendants including a living one who takes care of the tomb!!! You want the proof of that?? Just go to the website tombofjesus and see it (I am writing it like this because I cannot publish a URL!!) and see the claims for yourself!!
5th: Why did Mirza Ghalam Ahmed of Qadiayaan (and his followers) believe that? Because then Mirza Ghlam Ahmed could claim to be the Mahdi (or the Saviour) that Jesus would be on his re-coming to Earth sometime before the day of Qayamah.
Do you think that anyone who holds such beliefs is a Muslim and can be treated as a Muslim by the remaining Mulims?? There are quite a few sects in Islam but they all believe that Hadrat Muhammad SAW was the last prophet and that Islam, the religion that was started by Nabi Adam was completed by Hadrat Muhammad SAW. We believe that Allah sent over 100,000 prophets and sent them to all peoples and races but no more prophets are to come after Hadrat Muhammad SAW. If we can believe in 100,000 prophets then we could have believed in 100,001 prophets but this is against the very core of the Islamic belief in the finality of the Holy Prophet Hadrat Muhammad SAW and so they cannot be accepted as Muslims. Let them be Ahmadis or Qadiyani and let them not try to create splits in Islam and in the minds of the younger generations.
Marriage to Ahmadis and Qadiyanis is also not permissable even though a Muslim man may marry a Jew or a Christian woman but marriage to Ahmadis and Qadianis is neither allowed for a male or a female Muslim... unless the Ahmadi or Qadiyani properly and with a true heart converts into a Muslim.
I hope I have answered the question in full details and to the satisfaction of the LADY and all those who read this reply!!
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If I am ever in Pak and events kick off, I will be sure to massacre a few.
Oh yes, a "non-religious secularist" wants to massacre Ahmadis. Your not convincing anyone.
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it's simple Ahmadis are not a muslims in the eyes of the mainstream
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First of all, its Qadiyani/Mirzai not Ahmedi or Ahmediya. “ahmedi” has nothing to do with Ahmed, that relates to Islam and Prophet mohammad bin Abdullah.
That is the first dubious and misleading part about Qadiyanism/Qadiyani movement.
Qadiyanism is not “Islam” as revealed on last and final prophet Mohammad (pbuh) bin Abdullah who was born in Makkah. So Qadiyani Mullahs need to stop preaching their beliefs as “islam” when it is not. That is why Islamic scholars and Moulvies and general public Muslims have problem with QADIYANISM beacuse they use deceptive tactics to fool and mislead people into thinking that Islam/Muslim = Qadiyanism/Qadiyanis, WHICH IS WRONG! You can’t preach an ideology invented by the help of imperial british as Islam which was revealed in 6th century!
How would you feel if I go around telling people that I am your father? You will be pissed and you will call me every name in the book. If you practice your newly found religion, funded and supported by the British government (then and now) as it is and call it Qadiyanism and not Islam, I don’t think anybody would have any problem with that. When you mislead, fool and decieve people, take advantage of people and their situation, pay them money to convert to your religion, then it is a different religion and it should be called what is really is, Qadiyanism and not label or hide behind Islam and Muslim name to fool people into your newly found ideology.
You play the victim card but you won’t stop fooling and misleading people. You want others to be nice to you since you are minority yet you won’t stop taking advantage of the poor and unfortunate. 
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Why are the Ahmedis/Qadianis afraid of having a debate with Muslim scholars ?
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Which muslim “Scholars” are you referring to? The ones that have been called “worst creation below the skies” by Huzur:saw:?
Hadhrat All (R.A.) says Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "A time is soon to come when Islam will remain only by name, and the Qur’aan will exist only in words. People will erect large and beautiful Masjids, but these Masjids will lack guidance and be deserted. The worst creation below the skies will be the Ulama-e-Soo’. Great Fitna (evils) will emanate from them and they themselves will promote fitna and they will be the center of Fitna.
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I want to know what is the difference between Ismailis and Qadianis? Are they the same?
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I just get a kick out of human misery*
*save my own.
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no big difference, both are kuffar
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Lets just stick to main topic bhai-
Going topic would result in closure of the thread and a lost oppurtunity :D
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muslim or not, does Islam allow the marginalizing, suppressing and degrading of a whole community with negative policies? I think not.
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Yes it does, infact it calls for more stern measures to deal with communities that spread fitna and indulge in transgression...
Not just Islam any religion or group of people would react in a similar way, when their own standing and survival is stake...
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Yes it does-
Muslims are very tolerant for zammis and other kuffars and very srict on Murtadeen.
Khawarij were more ibadat guzar then many muslims but thier aqeedah got them a place in hell.
i did not expected this from you Mamooli :(
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bao; what happens to kharijis or even muslims in the next life is not our responsibility, however, how we deal with them in this life is. Can you tell me how Imam Ali (as) dealt with the kharjis?
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This whole "fitna" is a justification on all sides. What do you think those who fought aganist AnHazoor (saw) considered him? Yes, a fitna who disgraced their name and their gods and their religion. Those who fought aganist Hazrat Hussain (ra) considered him the same.
I personally think Jamat-e-Islami, Sipah-e-this and Salar-e-that and all these are a great fitna, eating the nation of Pakistan in perticular and Ummah in general.