It's sad to see once again humanity fight over and show hatred over their masehas and imams and leaders and forgetting all about the One and Only!!!
Where are the muslims here? but only blind followers of each and own section in where they are born.
Where is Islam here? but egos and selfish desires higher than the truth to them?
All one can see is people blinded by their loyalties to the sections they belong to and no one daring to admit the truth even when see lying in front.
All victims of propogandas but too arrogant to admit they have been lied to and made fool of.
This is yet another example of how far people have gone from the true message.
Each belonging to a different section and proud of it forgetting the very Almighty and His messenger declared they have nothing to do with such people.
Open your eyes before it's too late for all of you.
you can close this Thread from my side. All in All it was NICE discussion and this is what Islam and our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) teach us. I want to apologize to everyone who may got offended or hurt by my tongue. I apologize for my mistakes
**Itekaaf is approaching slowly, few days are left. I will prepare myself for the Itekaaf. I wish you all a happy Ramazan and Eid Mubarik in advance as I have decided to draw my End here.
...be ready for the destruction of your claims non-ahmadies! You can answer after I have worked on all your claims step by step. Before that better stay quite. Thank You.
After reading his PM, my apologies to brother Numb, if he or Ahmadis were called "Kafir" anywhere which didn't catch my eye, as this is a long thread and due to family and official commitments I couldn't get a chance to go through each and every page of this long thread.
I would request my fellow mods to kindly also take a notice of it.
I would also try to edit the replies which contain offensive language for Ahmadis. If they don't like to be called Mirzai or Qadyanis, then please show them respect and don't use such words for them. No matter whatever reason anyone has of using offensive words for them, people should consider that in this present age no one has converted to shia, sunni, Ahmadi or any other belief system. Most of them are born with this belief system and anyone's aggressive comments wouldn't help anyone towards the right path.
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Please consider it as a warning from now onwards, that no offensive comments towards "people" of any particular sect would be tolerated. Kindly be respectful, one has a right to disagree only if it is within moral limits.**
And before you get all defensive, is it not the muslims and more importantly the prophet muhammad(PBUH) the one that is being abused with by having mirza ghulam ahmed associated with him.
I'll stop using qadiani and mirzai if they stop associating mirza ghulam ahmad with the prophet(PBUH).
A few days ago, I was flicking through the Asian channels on sky before Iftur, and stumbled upon this pakistani channel in which, I think it was Qtv or something, the cleric who was hosting the show called upon muslims to ¨go out and beat Ahmadis up with their shoes in the month of Ramadhan to ensure their palaces in heaven.¨
Soooo yeah, lol was pretty funny.
Ahmadis are recognised as non-muslim by most muslim countries, it is pretty understandable and shouldn't cause offence.
The Prophet (saw) never called a kafir as "kafir" at his face. Instead he politely discussed the common beliefs and humbly disagreed (with wisdom) where necessary. He ALSO never used a word to describe any of the Munafiq or kaffir that may annoy or provoke them.
If we want our preaching of good to become as affective as that of suhabas (r.a) we should refrain from aggressive comments, which would not lead to useful results. The suhabas never called anyone non-Muslim at his face but with wisdom presented the example of a true muslim, so that the opponent himself sees the difference between a good Muslim and a bad one and makes his own choice of the belief system that satisfies his heart.
Imagine if you were born in the same sect you are opposing now, and being called a kafir by the rest of the sects "AT YOUR FACE", instead of being shown the truth with wisdom and respect.
As the Quran says, when Truth comes falsehood iteself perishes. Let us share the proofs through the words of Quran and the Prophet (saw) and let the lie itself perish.
A few days ago, I was flicking through the Asian channels on sky before Iftur, and stumbled upon this pakistani channel in which, I think it was Qtv or something, the cleric who was hosting the show called upon muslims to ¨go out and beat Ahmadis up with their shoes in the month of Ramadhan to ensure their palaces in heaven.¨
Soooo yeah, lol was pretty funny.
Ahmadis are recognised as non-muslim by most muslim countries, it is pretty understandable and shouldn't cause offence.
Blacks were recognized as salves by most countries. That mde it acceptable or non-offnesive to call the niggers or to discriminate against them?
The world is moving towards enlightment and tolerance and people in Pakistan are going in the opposite direction. How sad!
Blacks were recognized as salves by most countries. That mde it acceptable or non-offnesive to call the niggers or to discriminate against them?
The world is moving towards enlightment and tolerance and people in Pakistan are going in the opposite direction. How sad!
Irrelevant example.
The Quran is the final word of God, the Prophet PBUH, the last messenger of God (that is what all muslims believe). It is the core of Islam and has been so for the past 1400 years. You can not say that something stated in the Quran is a lie, that is not enlightenment or tolerance, it is lying, deceiving and provocative.
And if you really believe that the world is moving towards enlightenment and tolerance, then you're a bigger fool than most (I don't mean that in a rude way). That is not to say that the world is moving in the opposite direction either. I am simply trying to say that things aren't what they always seem like. Iraq and Afghanistan weren't invaded so that the Americans (the most advanced state in the world) could enlighten them. They invaded them firstly, due to intolerance, and secondly for their own national interest all under the guise of enlightenment, freedom or what ever you may want to call it.
It is all deception at the end of the day for ones own personal gains!
^ My example may be irrelevant to you as it does not support your preconceived notions about Ahmadis.
I don't believe that any word of the Quran is a lie (God Forbid) and nor do I support any group of people who say such things. Also, no where in my post did I hint that America exemplifies tolerance.
My point is simple. Don't dicriminate against others based on their colour, race, or religious beliefs. If you have an issue with Ahmadis referring t Mirza Ghulam Ahamd as a successor of the Holy Prophet (p.b.uh.), you have a right to disagree. But that doesn't allow you to hate or harm people of that community. After all, are we all not answerable to allah for all of our actions?
s 'Submission to Peace' stated, The Prophet (saw) never called a kafir as "kafir" at his face. Instead he politely discussed the common beliefs and humbly disagreed (with wisdom) where necessary. He ALSO never used a word to describe any of the Munafiq or kaffir that may annoy or provoke them.
