Sorry Numb
Reading this post of yours has confused me. Please explain why you think you can chop a sentence in half which is talking about the contrary point and attempt to explain your stance by connecting to a different claim?
The question is as so:
1) The face value of the statement in the hadith refers to a solar eclipse occurring in the middle of the month and a lunar eclipse occurring at the beginning.
2) The Ahmadi interpretation of this weak hadith is two eclipses will take place but NOT AS PER FACE value . i.e. first day refers to first of three possible days and middle day refers to middle of three possible days.
3) Should we even entertain that the first night infers the 13th and the middle night refers to the 28th then the combinations of times these have occurred in history for Ramadan are easy to calculate and are many in number.
Based on this you have given no answer to it, but just tried to pull a trick. It may have been a mistake from you ... but to me it seemed like you are trying to pull a trick! I'm sorry to admit.
This reply is in response to both psyah and hareem01.
Im just amazed how much you guys can really do just to justify your claims.
So your allegation on this hadith is that the hadith has been misinterpreted. The words first and middle stated in the hadith do not do not signify 15 and 28 but rather signify 1st and 15th.
Let me try and explain this simple phenomena , so maybe you could understand.
This hadith has often been understood as meaning the lunar and solar eclipse will occur in the 1st and 15th of the month of Ramadan. This is impossible. Interpreting the hadith in that manner makes the hadith meaningless.
The notion of a lunar eclipse occurring on the first of Ramadhan is also very unreasonable. The lunar crescent of the first night is often seen with difficulty. Detecting the eclipse on it would be a formidable problem. It may also be noted that the lunar crescent of the first of Ramadhan is called Hilal and not Qamar. In the Hadith the word Qamar is used and not Hilal..
According to the laws of nature, a lunar eclipse occurs at full moon (and this happens only on the 13th, 14th and 15th of the month) and a solar eclipse occurs at conjunction when the moon cannot be seen at all (and this happens only on the 27th, 28th and 29th of the month). The Hadith therefore implies that the lunar eclipse would occur on the first of the possible nights, i.e. on the 13th and the solar eclipse would occur on the middle of the possible days, i.e. on 28th.
These properties of the eclipses were known not only to the scientist but also people who were not scientist.
The allegation raised by hareem01 is that lunar and solar eclipses have occurred on the 13th and 28th of Ramadhan thousands of times whereas the Hadith states that these events have not occurred before.
In reply to this allegation we state that the Hadith does not imply that eclipses did not occur on the 13th and 28th Ramadhan ever before but it implies that such eclipses never happened before as signs.
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The Promised Messiah as wrote:
We are not concerned with how often solar and lunar eclipses have occurred in the month of Ramadhan from the beginning of the world till today. Our aim is only to mention that from the time man has appeared in this world, solar and lunar eclipses have occurred as Signs only in my age for me. Prior to me, no one had this circumstance that on the one hand he claimed to be Mahdi Mauood (Promised Reformer) and on the other, in the month of Ramadhan, on the appointed dates, lunar and solar eclipses occurred and he declared the eclipses as signs in his favor. The Hadees of Darqutani does not say at all that solar and lunar eclipses did not occur ever before, but it does clearly say that such eclipses never occurred earlier as Signs, because the word ‘Takoona’ is used which denotes feminine gender; this implies that such a Sign was never manifested before. If it was meant that such eclipses never occurred before, ‘Yakoona’ which denotes masculine gender was needed and not ‘Takoona’ which denotes feminine gender. It is clear from this that the reference is to the two signs because signs are feminine gender. Hence if anybody thinks that lunar and solar eclipses have occurred many times before, it is his responsibility to show the claimant to Mahdi who declared the solar and lunar eclipses as his signs and this proof should be certain and conclusive and this can only happen if a book of the claimant is produced who claimed to be Mahdi Mauood and had written that the lunar and solar eclipses which occurred in Ramadhan on the dates specified in Darqutani are the Signs of his truth. In short, we are not concerned with the mere occurrence of solar and lunar eclipses even if they had occured thousands of times. As a sign this has happened at the time of a claimant only once and the Hadees has proved its authenticity and truth through its fulfillment at the time of the claimant to Mahdi. (Chashma-e-Marifat, Roohani Khazain, Vol.23, pp. 329 - 330)
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