Ahmadi/Qadyani view explained http://alhafeez.org/rashid/
Good graphics on that site. Who is the young lady with Hafiz? She looks cute.
Hey, have you seen any phony Islamic websites? Let me know if you want me to show you a few.
reza khan..
didn't you mean to say "ANTI-Ahmadi/Qadiani view explained"??
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JazakAllah khairun…
thanx 4 sharing…
God bless…
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reza khan,
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If you need some specifics answered, please feel free to email the webmaster there with your quries. 
Thanks reza khan, great but did you read the news today, somebody entered the mosque and after closing the door he killed several namzis in the mosque. Well I was wondering who is Ghazi and who is shaheed in that incident or who were muslims and who were none muslim, I THINK BOTH WERE MUSLIMS and it HAPPENED IN MOSQUE (Place of worship for Muslims).
NAMESTEY...
Thanks Munna!!
No problem
Johny..
Reza Khan and Munna were riding the truck with the Taliban (you know the deal with Taliban and boys), so they are not to be blamed for what happened in the mosque.
OK so whats the problem here... Ahmedis are kafirs (as if I give a rats a$$) So they are kafirs why is this a problem for the SOB mullahs. If Christians and Jews are Ahela-Kitab (ppl of the book) why can't they treat Ahmedis the same. Can someone explain please.
Abdali... Christians do shirk, im sorry they are not kafir
abt jews and christians Allah Almighty has said enough in Quran..
as far Ahmadies are concerned. as i already said they just dont beleive in finalization of ProphetHood, and thus denies the saying of Allah and his Propht Muhammad(SAW).. its a big deal..
may be not for you. but anyways its your beleif.
Please Consult Quran and HAdith. Thanks.
Dont think "you can" know "you can"
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as i already said they just dont beleive in finalization of ProphetHood, and thus denies the saying of Allah and his Propht Muhammad(SAW).. its a big deal..
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Ahmedi's will correct me if I'm wrong.. but from what I understand of their beliefs, they consider that the Mahdi has arrived. I don't think they contest Prophet Muhammad's status as a final Prophet of Allah.
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You guys should go to the source & find out what is the claim of Ahmadies & not! Going to hate sites & making conclusions based on that is mere ignorance.
To read what Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed to be, please read Promised Missiah’s claim](http://www.alislam.org/library/claim.html)
To see what pledge an Ahmadi has to make before initiating the bait, please read these condition of bai’at](Conditions of Initiation (Bai’at))
There are different versions of qadiani/ahmadi teachings too. As far as I know, none of them dispute the prophethood of Muhammad (SAWW). Howeverm from there onwards the differences vary. Some claim Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a prophet, some say he was a wali and almost all say he was Mahdi. Qadianis/Ahmadis also believe (for the most part) that Jesus Christ (AS) was not raised to the heavens. They believe he migrated from Israel, moved to Kashmir, lived his complete life and died. They suggest that his tomb is in Kashmir. They don’t believe that Jesus Christ will come back again.
However, the most interesting thing is that while some qadianis/ahmadis believe that anyone who says kalma and believes in Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) is a muslim and everything else is between the person and the Creator, there are infact some qadianis/ahmadis who claim that anyone who does not accept the prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is out of bounds of Islam!
All of the above are part of the court documents during arguments in the Supreme Court of Pakistan. Those court hearings were called after the anti-qadiani riots in Pakistan (I think in 60’s or 70’s) long before the decision to declare them non-muslims. That decision was taken by the parliament and not by the courts.
Source: Parts of my above post, can be checked from here and here. As always, any and all information may be incorrect. You are advised to verify all info yourselves.
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Dear Pristine, Not believing Mirza Sahib or calling him by names and insulting him are two different things. If you don't understand the message you have a right not to believe it. I don't know if you know what I mean.....
Johnd If you want to call names to someone or curse some learn from here: http://alhafeez.org/rashid/abuse/abuse.htm
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
**Good graphics on that site. Who is the young lady with Hafiz? She looks cute.
I don know what are you talkin about????????????????????????
Explain..
Reza khan,
What do you call those who deliberately & repeatedly curse the Holy prophet AnHazoor (saw)? For you maybe they are gurus, but I sure enough call them nadan (stupid), illeterate, evil natured, and bud-naseeb(unfortunate) and bay-bahra(wretched)!
Also let me join Mirza Sahib in cursing, so you can put me in fire along with him:
2:88 ….ALLAH has cursed them for their disbelief. Little is that which they believe
2: 90: ….. The curse of ALLAH be on the disbelievers.
2:159. ….., it is these whom ALLAH curses; so curse them those who have the right to curse.
2:161: Those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, on them shall be the curse of ALLAH and of the angels and of men all together.
and
3: 61. Now whoso disputes with thee concerning him, after what has come to thee of Knowledge, say to him `Come, let us call our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and our people and your people; then let us pray fervently and invoke the curse of ALLAH on those who lie.
Lastly, if you have nothing better to do, go read some hate sites about Islam & maybe you will find out that similar meaningless acquisitions are on our beloved Holy prophet(saw)
Question for Ahmedis/Qadianis:
Please explain why this ayat concerning Hazrat Isa is different in an official Ahmedi translated quran than other translations of Quran:
From tranlsation by Muhammed Zafurallah Khan
3:56Remember the time when ALLAH said' `O Jesus, I will cause thee to **die a natural death* and will raise thee to Myself, and will clear thee of the charges of those who disbelieve, and will exalt those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to ME shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.*
3 Other translations
[Shakir 3:55]* And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.*
[Yusufali 3:55]* Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.*
[Pickthal 3:55]* (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.*
How are you getting 'die a natural death' from the arabic text?
[37:69] Truly they found their fathers on the wrong Path;
[37:70] So they (too) were rushed down on their footsteps!
[37:71] And truly before them, many of the ancients went astray;-
[37:72] But We sent aforetime, among them, (messengers) to admonish them;-
[37:73] Then see what was the end of those who were admonished (but heeded not),-
[37:74] Except the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah.
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Cooldude,,you are comparing 3.55 with 3.56.. Why?
come on yara… YOU should know.. the Ahmadia Qur’an counts Bismillah as the first verse…
ahmadjee told me that..
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