Assalam Aleekum
Can anybody tell me who are they In Pakistan. Is It a political or religious patry.
Are there more than one Jamaats.
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Ahl-e-Hadeeth are the same people who otherwise are refered to as ‘Al-Salaf’, main stream of whome are in Middle East.
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Hain? And this diffrentiates them from sunnis how...?
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PCG, they are more close to the poplarly hated Wahabis..that should explain it.
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I thought Wahabis are so strict that they keep to the Quran. I thought they aren't into hadith's.
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They are some one who prefer to take whatever they understand from their own interpretation of Quran and Hadith and discard interpretation of all those great Aemas like Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafee.
They are good in many ways but some times crosses over.
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ahl-e-hadith are known as salafi's.
these people dont follow any imam like imam shafi/hanafi/hanbali/maliki.
they dont have any sharia law, they say that their sharia is pbuh sunnah andquran, and some of them dont pray behind the four imams and they have their own mosques in india and pak.
i have my uncle who died before 20 days he was ahl-e-hadith,
he divorced my aunty and thena lso he was living with her,
on asking about the issue why he is still with her he told us that IN AHL-E-HADITH THERE IS NO TALAAK!!!
AND i was like so shocked as they think themselves the bigeest deen daar and imandaar and they behave like crooks,
somw are gud but soem are worst.
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^ haha...so how did he 'divorce' her?
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he divorced her but they would stay together it was like ajoke,
but wot to do he is dead now…
may allah forgive our mis deeds.
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I’m assuming IBN_KHATTAB that you’re talking out of honest ignorance, and not because you want to defame them.
Please read and try to understand that your understanding is quite incorrect.
Not really. These people do not follow any of the imaam’s unconditionally. Every and any imaam can make errors, and only the viewpiont which is closest to the Quran and Sunnah, deserves to be followed. The imaams whom you mentioned are held in the highest respect, and their teachings are learned from.. we just dont treat them as Prophets.
Your uncle may be ill informed. There is a difference of opinion in this matter, some people say that 3-talaqs in one sitting count as only 1 talaq, and others say that 3-talaqs in one sitting count as 3 talaqs (if you want to read more about this let me know insha’llah).
But no muslim can say that there is no concept of talaq in islam..
Anyway, hope that provides some sort of clarification..
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Assalam ALeekum
My questions still remains unanswered. I am interested in names and bit history
about them specific to Pak.
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they are a political party, lashkar e taiba or commonly known as jamat ut dawah is "ahle hadith" group. although they are the madkhali (associates of rabee al madkhali, a saudi slave "scholar") type ahl-e-hadith who like the saudi govt. and dont consider ruling by other than what allah has revealed as kufr, so they dont represent the true ahle hadith, they are just wanabes who think doing "rafaalyadain" is being ahle hadith...
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Assalam Aleekum
Now we are getting somwehere. I feel there may be few more groups in Pak.
You have pointed just one. Can you name a few Pak Ahl Hadith scholars.
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Ahle-Hadeeth are a rather diverse group with many political and religious factions.They basic beleif that makes them different from other groups among Sunnis is that they do not consider it necessary to follow one school of Fiqh like Hanafis,Maliki's etc
Ahle-Hadeeth can be said to be the Hanbali's of today.
I do not know of any Pak Ahle-Hadeeth scholar,prominent internationallly of them are Uthaymeen,Bilal Philips,Bin Baaz,Albaani
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TM, Are you even in Pakistan, or is mud slinging sort of a career for you? Lashkar-e-tayyaba or jawat ud dawah hardly represent ahl-ul-hadith, infact, i dont know even if they claim to be ahlul hadith.. if they do, then they are one of the extremist groups without a doubt. They probably dont know who Shaykh Rabee is. Seems like someone has been feeding you garbage.
rehman1,
ahlul hadith by themselves are a group who want to follow the Quran and the Sunnah, without making blind taqleed to any of the 4 imaams (or others). There is a political party called jamiyyat ahle hadees, with meraj rabbani, and abdullah nasir rehmani as their heads (i think). This political party is generally rejected by ahlul hadith who believe that politics and islaam should not be mixed.
As for scholars in Pakistan, then I dont know many. I've heard of Shaykh abdul mannan noorpoori in Punjab who is an alim, but dont know anything else about him.
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http://www.jamatuddawa.org/data1/pages/taruf.htm
read the 3rd paragraph, it clearly states that they are SALAFI jamaah, which means alhe hadith. any how, i m not saying bad things about them because they are doing jihad against indian aggression in kashmir, but i dont like that stance when they consider the pakistani govt. to be muslim and call for obeying the laws of that govt.
and they definately know bin baaz, so i would say they probably have an idea about rabee al madkhali. wallah o alam
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TM, what i know about LT is that they're an extremist group, involved in killings in various parts of pakistan, but let me assure you that they are in the smallest of minorities as far as i know.
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None of you folks know what Ahl-e-hadith is or who the Wahabis are. It's sad.
Wahabis and Ahl-e-Hadith are interchangeable terms. There is no difference as far as ideology is concerned.
Some asked if "wahabis" differ from "sunnis."
First of all, wahabis (as they are called by other people) do not believe in sects and divisions that have damaged Islam for centuries. There is no fundamental difference between SUnnis and so called Wahabis. However, there are some issues where BRAILVIES and so called "wahabis" differ. These issues although debatable are very serious and have resulted in clashes between BRAILVIES and so called "wahabis."
Some of those differences and issues:
Brailvies openly preach:
-Praying to the graves
-Asking dead imams and dead saints for help
-going to the mazaars and asking the dead folks for help or asking them to ask allah to help them.
-Call azaan with different begin and a different end.
-Gheyaaarveeen sharifs (feast held on 11th of each month to please some earthly so called imam or saint)
-Khatam sharifs (where a quranic para is assigned to some individuals and they receit quran in attempt to finish it)
-Deny that Mohammad (pbuh) was a HUMAN and A MAN and source of inspiration for all mankind. They say he was "noor" noor as in LIght. But, as quran and common sense tells us, Mohammad (pbuh) was a source of GUIDANCE, source of light but not actually a "light/noor."
These are some of the things that BRAILVIES do which do not belong in Islam and were NEVER practiced, sanctioned or upheld by Prophet himself or his followers.
Actually, these are some of the things people of jahiliya were doing before Islam and before Abdul wahab set out to talk on these issues when they were being done during his era in middle east. Arabs were actually praying to graves and trees and asking dead for help other than Allah. It's sad, how much ignorant fools we have around us, even today who do not know the actual history and the real facts.
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Assalaam ALeekum
This is the information I was looking for. But I don’t think this political party is
popular in PAK.
I think the 2 people you mentioned are scholars?
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