I have a question regarding the shia beleif that the wives of the prophet aren’t part of the ahl e bait, and I want to know why.
This isn’t meant to insult anyone, I would be talking about matam if I did. I want to know the reason why wives arent considered his family.
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shias make a distinction between family (which includes the wives and parents and chachas/cousins/uncles etc) and the "ahl e bait" which for us is the specific part of the family which we hold in higher esteem.
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Most shias like to call themselves part of ahle bayt so who knows? :D
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^^ most sunnis do too..which is the strangest thing ever!
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I understand that but I want to know why. chachas/cousins/uncles, i can understand but dont you think the Prophet (pbuh) spent considerable amount of time with the wives and talked to them about alot of issues. The Quran talks about them, so why are they not included in ahl e bait?
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That’s the first time I am hearing it! 
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Doesn’t the majority of muslims consider them as such?
You can’t change shia beliefs by opening such topics!
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crash dummie u are better off going to shiachat.com for a detailed answer on this belief....
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Do I have to register or can I post as a guest?
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err i would say...they have like different forums so first try to find if this question has already been addressed b4 going into the whole registration bit.
yeah u have to register to post :(
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Syeds are descendents of that family of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) much like siddiquis are descendents of abu bakr siddiq.
But many shias take it to extreme by calling themselves being part of ahle-bayt (being a descendent from Prophet’s family is one thing but calling oneself an acutal part of that family is another).
And I doubt that many syeds know the significance today (it has become a fashion to call yourself syed) of family histories. 
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majority is no proof of correctness blitzkrieg, because Muslims are themselves a minority.
CrashDummie, it isnt a question of proximity. Shias for example consider Hazrat Abu Talib to be a very very loved relative, but dont consider him part of Ahl e bait. I can quote two sahih ahadith from Sunni collections (sahih Muslim) that justify this distinction between close family.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundame...t.html#031.5920
we consider this set/a subset from this set (the Shia version is different in the people included I believe but also excludes the wives) to be purified within the family, and a sunni reference for a purified subset from the whole family (again Sahih Muslim) is:
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Not only shia hold such belief but also most of sunni reliable books show such traditions. Check the following links for mor infos.
Quran and Ahlul-Bayt](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/1.html)
Why School of Ahlul-Bayt?](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/2.html)
Who are Ahlul-Bayt?:
Part i](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/3.html)
Part ii](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/4.html)
Part iii](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/5.html)
Part iv](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/6.html)
Part v](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/7.html)
Part vi](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/8.html)
Part vii](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/9.html)
Part viii](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/10.html)
The Word House (Ahlul-Bayt) in Quran](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/11.html)
Sunni Feedback on the Issues of Infallibility and Ahlul-Bayt](http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/12.html)
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Are you shia?
No hurt feelings man.. 
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yes. why would my feelings be hurt man :)
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Assalam u Alaikum
This is what i found while searching for the issue-
Regarding Verse 33:33 the following are a number of Tafsirs on the issue.
– Al-Razi, al-Tafsir al-Kabir (6:615):
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“Explanations have differed concerning the ‘Ahl al-Bayt’ but the most appropriate and correct is to say they are his children and wives; al-Hasan and al-Husayn being among them and `Ali being among them…”*
– Al-Khazin, Lubab al-Ta’wil fi Maani al-Tanzil (3:490): * "They [Ahl al-Bayt] are the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) because they are in his house." Then he mentions other two explanations, namely, that they are the Itra or that they are the families of Ali, Aqil, Jafar, and al-Abbas."*
– Al-Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil (4:374):
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“The Shia's claim that verse 33:33 is specific to Fatima, Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with them - … and their adducing it as proof of their immunity from sin (`ismat) and of the probative character of their consensus, is weak, because restricting the meaning to them is not consistent with what precedes the verse and what follows it. The thread of speech means that they are part of the Ahl al-Bayt, not that others are not part of it also.”*
– Al-Shawkani, Fath al-Qadir (4:278-280) and al-Mubarakfuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi
(9:48-49):
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“A third group stands midway between the two and includes both [the wives and the `Itra]… A number of the verifying authorities consider this the most correct explanation, among them al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir, and others.”*
– Al-Wahidi, al-Wajiz fi Tafsir al-Kitab al-`Aziz (2:865):
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“Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] meaning, the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) and the men [and women] of the People of his House.”*
– Ibn Jamaa, Ghurar al-Tibyan fi Ma lam Yusamma fi al-Qur'an (p. 421 #1201): * "Ahl al-Bayt in verse 33 are the Prophet and his wives. It was also said they are Ali, Fatima, al-Hasan, and al-Husayn, and it was also said they are those for whom sadaqa is unlawful ."
– Al-Zarkashi, al-Burhan fi `Ulum al-Qur’an (2:197): "The phrasing of the Qur’an [in Surat al-Ahzab] shows that the wives are meant, that the verses were revealed concerning them, and that it is impossible to exclude them from the meaning of the verse. However, since others were to be included with them it was said with the masculine gender: {Allah desires to remove uncleanness far from you [masculine plural], O Folk of the Household}. It is then known that this desire comprises all the Folk of the Household - both male and female - "
– Abu al-Suud, Irshad al-Aql al-Salim ila Mazaya al-Qur’an al-Karim (7:103):
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“This [33:33], as you see, is an explicit verse and a radiant proof that the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are among the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi), ruling once and for all the invalidity of the opinion of the Shiis who narrow it to mean only Fatima, Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with them. As for what they claim as their proof [hadith of the Mantle], it only shows that they [the Four] are part of Ahl al-Bayt, not that other than them are excluded.”*
Wasalam
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okay forgive my ignorance but why is defination of ahlybayt so disputed between shais and sunnis?
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Becuase most of the sunnis dont know whats written in their books.
check the links above I posted. heres a quote from those articles: