*Volume 1, Book 3, Number 121: *
*Narrated Abu Huraira: *I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Allah’s Apostle . I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my pharynx (throat) would be cut (i.e. killed).
Abu Huraira himself is claiming that he abstains from saying the whole truth.
*Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268: *
*Narrated Abu Huraira: **“The Prophet said, ‘The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.’ A wife says, ‘You should either provide me with food or divorce me.’ A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service.” A son says, “Give me food; to whom do you leave me?” The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah’s Apostle ?" He said, “No, it is from my own self.” *
Here he himself admits that he fabricated this hadith or part of this hadith.
Sahi Muslim
*Book 002, Number 0484: * Abu Hazim reported: I was (standing) behind Abu Huraira and he was performing the ablution for prayer. He extended the (washing) of his hand that it went up to his armpit. I said to him: O Abu Huraira, what is this ablution? He said: O of the tribe of Faruukh, you are here; if I knew that you were here, I would have never performed ablution like this; I have heard my Friend (may peace be upon him) say. In a believer adornment would reach the places where ablution reaches.
Other companion of prophet is puzzled by Abu Huraira’s innovative way of performing abultion .
When we have all these traditions about Abu Huraira then why is it that we take most ahadith from him? Can somebody explain this to me.
Sunniforum.com has plenty of scholars. Might wanna ask those questions there. Your questions sound legit but the hadiths are probably taken to literal like what most people in here seem to do. Let me know what they answer over there by the way.
thats the thing though. shias constantly bring forward things like this in bukhari because we acknoledge that kafi or any other shia collection is not safe from corruption whereas (a lot of) sunnies believe bukhari and to a lesser extent Muslim error free.
i dont understand why Muslims think any human or book can be believed in without question except the Quran and divinely appointed people. Divine guarantees are not on human works.
though im guessing the point of curious one here is against abu huraira
exactly! and if you look in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim you can see the errors. (I won't go into them now, but they are in many posts in this forum.) There are contradiction, things that don't support Sunni actions etc etc
The Shia belief is that an hadith needs to be valued depending on the source and reliability. We accept a lot of Sahih Bukahri and Muslim because our scholars have looked into the sources of where these hadith came from, and they seem reliable.
Since hadith is not written by Allah, it is bound to countain errors on contradictions.
i dont understand why Muslims think any human or book can be believed in without question except the Quran and divinely appointed people. Divine guarantees are not on human works.
again I agree completely.
The thing that I cannot understand though, is that many ahadith in Sahih Bukhari are deemed inaccurate only because something about them is proved to be false. Until then, it is assumed that they are valid.
However other hadith that may be false but seem reasonable and therefore are accepted as true.
yep, the ahadith r from bukhari....
i do not have muslims so cannot check the third one, but i dont see anything wrong with it....
abu huraira (ra) is just trying to have water of ablution more on his body because he heard from the Prophet (saw) that the parts of the body which the water of ablution touches will have adornments, another hadith mentions that fire shall not touch the parts of the body where water of wudoo reahes....
so what wrong do u find in this????
regarding #1, i have to see some scholar regarding the issue of what abu huraira (ra) thinks might be dangerous to him so he cannot tell this to anyone....
compare this to shiaa's belief that there is some knowledge that the Prophet (saw) only taught Ali (ra) and only children of Ali (ra) have this knowldege and no one else....
is Ali (ra) hiding the truth as well????
the second one from bukhari, take it like this....
u tell someone that Mr X told me so and so, and when u finish, the person asks u, did Mr X tell u this????
u get annoyed and u say "no this is from my own self"....
so does it mean that u were rabricating, or does ur tone tell the listener that when i already mentioned that this was told to me by Mr X, then why do u ask again????
maybe abu huraira (ra) had a tough day and was exhausted and not so patient over a silly question....
just my point of view, check with a hadith scholar or read fateh-al-bari for better discusison of the hadith....
If the scholars agree that there are discripencies in hadees;
Then there is a possibility of innovation as well. We believe that Bible and Torah are corrupted by human influence, based on that we disregard them why not hadees as well. Is there a special reason for not doing so? Are we being fair that our discrepencies are acceptable by saying we donot understand them completely.
Why don't we give the same benefit of doubt to other religions, Afterall those are also Ilhamic religions.
^ no one says that all ahadith which r reported r 100% correct....
hadith scholars have classified ahadith after a rigourous in-depth research on them....
sunniforum.com is good. And there are very brilliant people who can help on www.sunnipath.com. It is better not consult neem-mullahs on such issues and endanger your own and other people’s faiths.
Shias have a way of maligning the noble traditions of the Prophet :saw: which have been related to Abu Huraira whom they accuse of fabricating Ahadith…
I was once talking to a Shia and he said in an indubitable indignant style, “Astaghfirullah, in your books of Ahadith, your Abu Huraira gave feet, hands and face to Allah…Astaghfirullah, you have made Allah like us…”
Incidentally, I knew one of many Ayahs from the Quran which mentions physical depictions of Allah…So I told him that Ayah (5:64)…
So he goes, well, in the Quran, it’s not meant in the Zahiri (Literal) sense…
I said, what makes you think they are Zahiri in the Ahadith?
So no need to be indignant O Curious one who is less curious and more troubled…lol
It would have to be a man of considerable honour, esteem and integrity who claims to have memorized the most of Ahadith and yet claim to have told only one kind…
Regarding the two kinds of knowledge, I read a little piece, (Which read in its entirety is awesome)…
*The exact nature of the decree is Allah’s secret in His creation, and no angel near the Throne, nor Prophet sent with a message, has been given knowledge of it. Delving into it and reflecting too much about it only leads to destruction and loss, and results in rebelliousness. So be extremely careful about thinking and reflecting on this matter or letting doubts about it assail you, because Allah has kept knowledge of the decree away from human beings, and forbidden them to enquire about it, saying in His Book,
** ‘He is not asked about what He does but they are asked’. (Al-Anbiya’ 21: 23)**
So anyone who asks: ‘Why did Allah do that?’ has gone against a judgement of the Book, and anyone who goes against a judgement of the Book is an unbeliever.
This in sum is what those of Allah’s friends with enlightened hearts need to know and constitutes the degree of those firmly endowed with knowledge. For there are two kinds of knowledge: knowledge which is accessible to created beings, and knowledge which is not accessible to created beings. Denying the knowledge which is accessible is disbelief, and claiming the knowledge which is inaccessible is disbelief. Belief can only be firm when accessible knowledge is accepted and inaccessible knowledge is not sought after.*
Now, read the part in Maroon…
Now, coming back to the topic of abstaining from saying the whole truth, I would agree, that anyone who hides knowledge which he has been given to propagate is a thief…And there is no worse thief than someone who steals knowledge which he has a responsibility to convey…
Now, as far as concealing knowledge is concerned, doesn’t Shia Aqeedah inculcate and hold the belief that Ali (razi) has the real and original Quran…And isn’t it fact that you guys beieve that Hz. Ali has concealed that Quran?
What does that make Hz. Ali ?
Answer is, unlike Shia beliefs, Sunni believe that all the Ashabas were given the most perfect training by the most perfect man ever…And for this reason alone, we do not doubt their intentions as their grace and stature has been verified not only from the Holy Prophet :saw: but by Allah :swt: in His Quran as well…The Minafiqeen have been named in Ahadith and we know who they were…
The Maroon is what the Holy Prophet :saw: stated…The rest is explanation by Abu Huraira (razi) to emphasize the meaning and reason of why dependents should first be taken care of…Obviously, my servant is my dependant because I pay him to be my servant…If I don’t pay him he’ll leave me…
In Islam, there is a word called Hadd…It means restrictions…
When perfroming Salat, there is no restriction in how long you can stay in a Sajda…The command is to perform Sajda, not how long or short you can remain in it…
Similarly, the command in washing the arm it up to the elbows…There is no Hadd in how far up towards the shoulders you can go when washing your arms…Otherwise, how else would you explain a Wudu having been accomplished after a Ghusl?
Even in that regard, Abu Huraira ( razi) shows his meekness and modesty about performing it more than what the Holy Prophet (saw) in the presence of others lest people should start to follow him believing his way to be the correct way…
O Curious One, the religion of Islam is a simple religion whose beauty lies in its simplicity of being explained…Not upon how much one can beat oneself or curse others…
But, I still insist that you should visit a Sunni forum where these things can be explained to you in even more detail than I ever can…
whom they accuse of fabricating Ahadith…