Ah yes finally bush compares Eyraq to Vietnam

Lets discuss the face saver..

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=4223895&p=4zz39yx&n=4223987&x=

Bush compares Iraq to Vietnam

US president George Bush has compared the intensifying violence in Iraq to the Tet offensive in Vietnam 38 years ago.

The Viet Cong and North Vietnamese armies undertook a series of attacks that shook America’s confidence about winning the war and eroded political support for then president Lyndon Johnson.

“There’s certainly a stepped-up level of violence, and we’re heading into an election,” Bush said in an ABC News interview.

Adding: “My gut tells me that they have all along been trying to inflict enough damage that we’d leave. And the leaders of al-Qaida have made that very clear.”

Bush said al-Qaida was very active in Iraq. “They are dangerous. They are lethal. They are trying to not only kill American troops, but they’re trying to encourage sectarian violence.

“They believe that if they can create enough chaos, the American people will grow sick and tired of the Iraqi effort and will cause government to withdraw,” he said.

The military said yesterday that 11 US troops died in combat amid a security crackdown in Baghdad, putting October on track to be the deadliest month for American forces since the siege of Fallujah nearly two years ago.

Bush said the news of casualties “breaks my heart” but said it is surrender “if you pull the troops out before the job is done”.

Re: Ah yes finally braindead monkey compares Eyraq to Vietnam

Al-Qaeda wasn't there before you invaded, Idiot!

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Bush spells out the reason why a strategy change in Iraq is needed. When the course changes you can't 'stay the course'. Cheney and Rumsfeld have totally screwed this up, Bush's dog like loyalty to them and their vision is quite pathetic. Urban warfare and the entire war on terrorists demand adaptability.

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Al-Qayda = Mossad Operatives..

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^
hehe, The Devil's Advocate at every corner.

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bush should buy advice from pak. cheap rates promised

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free coffee day in dc?

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:D ^ that'll gurantee it!

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Iraqi Endgame Approaching, Bush Ready or Not

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General concedes failure in Baghdad

In a confluence of grim official assessments of the war in Iraq, President Bush acknowledged that sectarian bloodletting in Baghdad could be compared to the Viet Cong’s 1968 Tet offensive in Vietnam, and one of the top U.S. generals said the American military’s two-month drive to crush the spiraling violence in the Iraqi capital had failed.
Such downbeat opinions, accompanied by reports of alarmingly high American casualties and unabated violence in Iraq, indicate that U.S. officials at the highest levels are rethinking the progress the United States is making in Iraq, experts said.
“What this suggests to me is that people in fairly senior levels are getting increasingly worried about what’s going on,” said Jeffrey White, an expert on military and security affairs at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
“The increasing pessimism among serious analysts of the conflict is beginning to have an effect,” said White, a former government intelligence analyst. “Policy makers are beginning to, if not accept the ultimate conclusions, then at least the main thrust of it: that we’re not getting better, that the Iraqi government isn’t working, that the Iraqi security forces are not standing up the way we would like them to.”
Bush, who had rejected parallels between the fighting in Iraq and the Vietnam War, reconsidered his stance in an interview with ABC News on Wednesday, saying that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman “could be right” in comparing the violence in Baghdad to the Tet offensive. “There’s certainly a stepped-up level of violence, and we’re heading into an election,” Bush said.
On Jan. 30, 1968, communist North Vietnamese troops chose Tet, the Vietnamese lunar New Year holiday, to launch coordinated ground attacks against American bases and cities across South Vietnam. Many Vietnam historians call the offensive a turning point for the war in Vietnam as well as a prime reason why President Lyndon Johnson withdrew from his re-election campaign.
Bush’s spokesman, Tony Snow, said Thursday that “we do not think there has been a flip-over point” in Iraq. “We are going to continue pursuing victory aggressively,” he said.

**But on Thursday, Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, announced that the American-led crackdown on violence in Baghdad had failed and said U.S. commanders were consulting with the Iraqi government on a new approach. **
**“It’s clear that the conditions under which we started are probably not the same today, and so it does require some modifications of the plan,” Caldwell said. **
**“The violence is indeed disheartening,” he noted. **
**“Gen. Caldwell’s admission is yet another indication that the enemy is winning,” said Loren Thompson, a defense analyst at the Lexington Institute, a centrist think tank in Arlington, Va. “Commanders in the field are beginning to suggest a lack of success.” **
Caldwell’s assessment came as the military announced the deaths of three U.S. troops in Iraq, raising the number of American military deaths in October to 74. Car bombs, mortar fire and small-arms fire across Iraq killed at least 66 people – including the police commander of the volatile Sunni Anbar province, who was shot to death in his own house – and wounded 175.

**Growing frustration with the continuing drumbeat of bad news from Iraq has driven political debate in the final weeks of the congressional election campaign. As Americans have become increasingly opposed to the war, some of the staunchest Republican supporters of Bush’s foreign policy, such as the influential Virginia Sen. John Warner, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska have joined the Democrats in calling for a new Iraq strategy. **

“This is not about Democrat versus Republican anymore,” said Joseph Cirincione, an expert on Iraq and the senior vice president for national security at the Center for American Progress, a liberal policy think tank. “It’s serious, senior people across the political spectrum saying this strategy has failed.”
Richard Haass, a former Bush administration foreign policy official, said Thursday that the situation is reaching a “tipping point” both in Iraq and in U.S. politics. “More of essentially the same is going to be a policy that very few people are going to be able to support,” said Haass, now president of the Council on Foreign Relations. He added that the administration’s current Iraq strategy “has virtually no chance of succeeding.”
It is unclear whether this means that Bush – who so far has steadfastly resolved to “stay the course” in Iraq, is getting ready for a different approach on the conduct of the war.
“You always have to be skeptical of statements made by politicians on the eve of an election,” Thompson warned. “Bush’s comments may be purely tactical, and they may not offer any insights into his long-term plans.”
Conservative politicians and analysts say the overall Iraq policy is unlikely to change.
“President Bush is committed to a strategic end, probably until the end of his administration,” said James Phillips, an expert on Iraq at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
Vice President Dick Cheney, an architect of the administration’s Iraq policies, said the United States was “not looking for an exit strategy.”
“We’re looking for victory,” Cheney said in an interview posted on Time magazine’s Web site Thursday.
But some analysts expect the Iraq policy to take a new direction after the election.
“The White House is bitterly opposed to acknowledging failure, but it is running out of options, just like the army is,” said Thompson. He said it is likely that the Pentagon will “begin reducing its presence in Iraq after the (midterm) election” on Nov. 7.
Cirincione agreed.
“There’s no doubt in my mind that after the election there will be a fundamental shift in American strategy, almost certainly leading to redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq,” he said. “It’s very difficult to find any senior figure who supports the president’s ‘stay the course’ strategy.”
Former Secretary of State James Baker, co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group, a high-powered government advisory body that is developing policy options for Bush, made headlines this month by saying that “stay the course” is no longer a viable strategy and that some kind of change will be required. It is unclear whether Bush will follow the suggestions brought forth in the study group’s report, which is due after the November election. “It’s very hard to tell, because we keep being presented with those ‘stay the course’ kinds of statements,” White said.

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Bush's spokesman, Tony Snow, said Thursday that "we do not think there has been a flip-over point" in Iraq. "We are going to continue pursuing victory aggressively," he said.
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Victory against who?

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Where is amreeka when you need the chamar, of course on the run with a spin.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/20/iraq-amarah.html

hallelujah

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^
See MS, he can get you some Charmin.

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Even the Vietkong didn't have cleric-run armies in their arsenal. Now the shia are fighting amongst themselves, must be making the sunnis happy. I want to hear the spin on that.

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^Ah I see, shifting the focus from amreekan vijays to shiita bikering is the spin... not bad.....

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Not bad because it's true. Maybe you should read the articles you post if your sole purpose is to point out US humiliation. US was never even in control of that city, it was under British control

But it's not about Brits either. It is shia vs shia conflict - more of Muslims killing Muslims.

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^May be comprehension is a meaningless commodity for you and your clan... No wonder the chamar is now comparing Eyraq with Vietnam took quite a chappal to sink.

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:hehe: is that your face saver? Trying to find humiliation for US by posting articles about warring Muslim militias?

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So what?

That doesnt change anything on the ground.

If USA pulls out, this war between sunni and shia will continue

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^ and evidently shia vs shia.