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But that is not the point of discussion, the point is that it took quite a chappal for the retard to penetrate his baboon skull that he now openly compares Eyraq to Vietnam… Now is that an achievement or is that an achievement…!!
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let's not forget whose incompetence led to this mess and they are neither sunnis nor shias.
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My my my and look at you ignoring the very first and gist of the post along with the header… Now lets have your version of the face saver since the spin masters are still doing overtime somewhere in the pentagon…
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Well! getting to ground realities won’t get you any answers, beat around the bush, yes, spin, yes… but no answers…
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well thats obvious
usa invaded a country in which it didnt understand its history, people and geography and tried to impose an american style government
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Once bitten twice shy but that is for people with IQ.
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Iraq mayhem triggers hunt for exit strategy in US and UK
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its actually, fool me once errrr duhh errrr shame on errrr ohhh you, fool me twice errrrr duhhh duhhhhh… you aint gonna fool me twice
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The self appointed protectors of democracy and freedom in this world are now hinting at bringing two of the axis of evil to help them sort out the bloody mess they created and from which they are now desperate to get out. *How the mighty and arrogant have been humbled. *
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Idiots, don't understand that when you call already unfriendly countries evil, that doesn't really help out the peace process or ease tensions. They are now feeling the effects.
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That means Al-CIAda is failing in Iraq 
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Blowing in the Wind
New York Times - 3 hours ago
The generals who told President Bush before the war that Donald Rumsfeld’s shock-and-awe fantasy would not work were not enough to persuade him to change his strategy in Iraq.
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US ‘arrogant and stupid’ in Iraq
A senior US state department official has said that the US has shown “arrogance and stupidity” in Iraq.
Alberto Fernandez’s made the remarks during an interview with Arabic television station al-Jazeera.
The state department says Mr Fernandez was quoted incorrectly - but BBC Arabic language experts say Mr Fernandez did indeed use the words.
It comes after President George W Bush discussed changing tactics with top US commanders to try to combat the unrest.
Mr Fernandez, an Arabic speaker who is director of public diplomacy in the state department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, told Qatar-based al-Jazeera that the world was “witnessing failure in Iraq”.
“That’s not the failure of the United States alone, but it is a disaster for the region,” he said.
“I think there is great room for strong criticism, because without doubt, there was arrogance and stupidity by the United States in Iraq.”
He also said that the US was now willing to speak to any insurgent group except al-Qaeda in an effort to reduce sectarian bloodshed in Iraq.
“We are open to dialogue because we all know that, at the end of the day, the solution to the hell and the killings in Iraq is linked to an effective Iraqi national reconciliation.”
Winds of change?
However, state department spokesman Sean McCormack said: “What he [Alberto Fernandez] says is that it is not an accurate quote.”
Mr McCormack also denied that the US had been guilty of arrogance or stupidity saying that history would be the judge of US actions in Iraq.
The BBC Monitoring Service has confirmed that Mr Fernandez did use the words “arrogance and stupidity” in his interview.
Mr Fernandez’s comments came after Mr Bush said that US troops were changing tactics to deal with the insurgency in Iraq.
Mr Bush held a video conference on the new measures with top US military commanders in Iraq on Saturday against the backdrop of more US losses in Iraq - 78 so far this month.
**A new poll suggests two-thirds of Americans believe the US is losing the war in Iraq, a proportion which analysts says could translate into a drubbing at the polls for Mr Bush’s Republican Party in next month’s mid-term elections. **
The BBC’s James Westhead in Washington says that while there is no official change in US strategy, change is on everyone’s lips.
But a report in the New York Times that officials are drawing up a timetable for Iraq’s government to improve security has been denied by both White House and state department officials.
In an interview with the BBC, British Foreign Office Minister Kim Howells has suggested that the Iraqi security forces could take over much of the work of US-led forces within a year. On Sunday funerals were taking place for 17 people killed in a mortar attack on a market near the capital, Baghdad.
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Speaking from experience?
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let's not forget whose incompetence led to this mess and they are neither sunnis nor shias.
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Adam and Eve? The thousand year old split between sunni/shia? The oppressive Hussein regime that kep these warring factions at bay by murder, torture and diplacement? How far do we go back to find someone to blame for the religious hatred and violence that is causing Muslims to kill Muslims? US didn't cause the split or hatred. They just exposed the fact that unless you have a dictator putting them under thumb, they are going to continue to kill each other. US pulling out won't stop that. The issue instead of trying to point out US humiliation is how to stop that. Any ideas?
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I'm not ignoring, but that doesn't mean you can post articles that demonstrate shia vs shia violence and try to pass it off as some kind of humiliation for US. Let's be honest and put the shame for cleric-led militias on murderous rampages where it belongs.
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Glad you can find comfort in your humiliation. Don't worry many more to come. Couch it in any language you want, the humiliation and defeat is there for all to see.
"Bring them on" that was the height of arrogance, now is the time for a humiliated withdrawal. It is not the bad Aljazeerah saying it, read your own press.
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Although I don't follow the news as closely as many of you might be, but I recall not too long ago there were celebrations planned for victory in Iraq? Did they get underway or haven't materialized yet?
Also, if there were talks about victory celebration then surely the situation in Iraq could not be considered a defeat.
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Shia -v- Sunni is not the point of discussion nor it ever will be but the fact that it took a swinging chappal to penetrate retards thick skull… Still not bad considering Vietcongs swinging chappal took almost 10. Now that calls for an extra-ordinary spin and lets see whats yours.
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Adam and Eve? The thousand year old split between sunni/shia? The oppressive Hussein regime that kep these warring factions at bay by murder, torture and diplacement? How far do we go back to find someone to blame for the religious hatred and violence that is causing Muslims to kill Muslims? US didn't cause the split or hatred. They just exposed the fact that unless you have a dictator putting them under thumb, they are going to continue to kill each other. US pulling out won't stop that. The issue instead of trying to point out US humiliation is how to stop that. Any ideas?
No need to go as far back as Adam and Eve. The people who are responsible for it occupied the country only recently and shouting from the rooftops is not going to change this fact. Admit it your administration and forces made a huge blunder and the people of Iraq are paying for it. I know it is difficult to admit that the only superpower has been humiliated by a handful of insurgents but that is the reality on the ground. Accept it or be an ostrich, choice is yours.
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Yes, several blunders were made and adjustments are badly needed and are on the horizon. And as I have been posting for years a loss for U.S. in Iraq means a loss for the people of Iraq, and we are contine to see that everyday. Those happy to see any "humiliation" of the U.S. in Iraq don't give two shiit's about Iraqis.