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Its is good to see democracy in action. The will of the people being carried out by the government.
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What is wrong with what he said? His job is to protect Palestanian Interest....and that is what he intends to do.
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I guess democracy has to be deserved first. Palestine is simply the latest country where it is premature. Lincoln had it right - Democracy is not only for for the people and of the people but has to be ** by the people** too.
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^ so are you suggesting that overwhelming majority of Hamas is somehow a sham? Like it or not, they were elected "by the people"
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^ not suggesting majority of hamas is sham. They're just not ready for democracy.
In the absence of mature political thought, a populace needs atleast leadership with foresight and integrity. The people of Palestine haven't had either. Successful democracies have both. Partially succesful onces have atleast one of the two.
WHat are their options? in an election what exactly are electing from?
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^ They elected people who they believe will help them get their dignity and land back. People like you are quick to make excuses, however, never did care for the plight of palestanians.
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Democracy dies when either majoritism, minoritism or any groupism takes it over.....
Iran is clearly case in point. Again Hitler was a democratically elected leader...
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^ so was Gujrati hindu who egged your fellow hindus to kill msulims so put a lid on it and move on. If you have no solutions for the palestanians, then leave them alone and let them learn from their own mistakes.
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Yes, that was wrong...... Since majoritism took over... it was as wrong as Mullah telling in Mosque that Hindus are Kafirs day after day in each mosque (where groupism takes over) across the Muslim world and no body in Muslim world standing against it...
Challenge is that no other method of government has been more effective than democracy.....
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Wow you guys are a bunch of retards. Firstly "majoritism" though not a word is an aspect of democracy. Actually, no. It is a fundemental aspect of democracy.
US law requires 2/3 majority in the senate. French laws sometimes require 80% majority in the senate for a bill to be passed.
Are these things wrong? Is this against the essence of democracy? Are you frankly saying that any legal law that does not work by simple majority is wrong? Then i suggest you look at your own legal system - because india requires a 2/3 major in its most important legal issues.
That is majoritism as defined by our judgemental, baised and narrow-minded posters.
The Curmudgeon you are such a moron. Did the US have the mature political environment when it became a democracy? I mean people could barely read, you had rampant slavery and genocide against the native americans. Sure that constitutes a mature political environment.
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hey people kill people on basis of cartoon they never saw and here we are talking about trani-ful of people burnt alive by socalled peaceful people so backlash was natural.. dont u think.. yeah in ideal world u won't see any of these but welcome to the real world...
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I hope you got your cheap thrills calling names. Try tennis next time:)
That was my point babe. In the even you don't have a mature politican environment, you need atleast leaders that push prod and pull the populace towards nobler progression as opposed to short term gratification (please go back and read what I said). Palestine lacks either.
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And in PAlestine the PEOPLE have spoken. The have been humiliated and opressed by Israel for the last 50 years. There is nothing left to negotiate. Only perpetual conflict until the days Israel reaches its logical conclusion as a state.
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Boy, every year we fight a fight about "Democracy". Somebody says an election constitutes a Democracy, and then we all act suprised when no improvements happen in a few short months. A vote in and of itself proves nothing. For example you can have an "Arafat vote":
One man, one vote one time.
Arafat won an "election", then created circumstances where another election could not be held, and of course blamed the Isrealis. In the mean time he raped the treasury of the PA, while repeating "occupation" every 10 minutes to push the hot buttons of Muslims. It worked.
A true democracy not only has free and fair elections, but the insitutions that protect and support the democracy. Things like a functional and honest judiciary, a civilian led military, freedom from overwhelming corruption, active and free opposing political parties, and investigative press, and freedom for the common man to speak his mind un-harrassed or jailed. In most Muslim countries lip service is paid to elections, but the Democartic insititutions that ensure freedom are woefully inept.
Hamas is not a beneficiary of "Democracy", as a democracy cannot exist in a society of chaos where gunmen in Gaza kidnap foreigners, and enforce curbside justice. The territories are essentially one hairs breath away from complete anarchy, and the Muslim world just sits and watches and tries to figure out how to get them guns to kill Jews. Despite the weepy tears for the Palestinians, most Muslims are happy that the Palestinian cannon-fodder keeps fighting.
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Malik, look at the situation objectively.
Israel is not saying Palestine should not exist. Palestine is saying Israel should not exist. This has given Israel the moral high ground too, in addition to economic, military and diplomatic superiority. Do you think Palestinians need to get real or not?
And who will get the Palestinians to get better? Leaders that cater to their base instincts (such as kill the jews) or the ones that will educate the populace to progressive future?
The rest of the muslim world may think they are supporting Palestine by denouncing Israel but in reality they're just making it worse for themselves and Palestine. What was the reaction when ahmadinejad said Israel annihilation? the rest of the world including russia and china denounced him and yielded moral high ground to the US.
I mean, come on, it's not all that difficult is it?
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Israel is not saying Palestine should not exist. Palestine is saying Israel should not exist. This has given Israel the moral high ground too, in addition to economic, military and diplomatic superiority. Do you think Palestinians need to get real or not?
And who will get the Palestinians to get better? Leaders that cater to their base instincts (such as kill the jews) or the ones that will educate the populace to progressive future?
The rest of the muslim world may think they are supporting Palestine by denouncing Israel but in reality they're just making it worse for themselves and Palestine. What was the reaction when ahmadinejad said Israel annihilation? the rest of the world including russia and china denounced him and yielded moral high ground to the US.
I mean, come on, it's not all that difficult is it?
Israel should not exist. There is no moral\logical grounds for that country. So the Nazis killed the jews and the Bible\Torah says the holy land belongs to jews, why should Palestinians care? Its not there problem. Make a Jewish state in Bavaria. What right do they have in Palestine? You expect people to make logical decisions based on Judasim\Christianity.
Tell me? Any logical secular person would see the truth,, give me a objective arguement that justifies Israels existance as a state.
Beyond that issue, yes the Palestinians have to get real, its not realistic for them to say now that they can destroy Israel. They dont have the power\influence. Negotiation is the only path forward, but Israel has consistantly annexed land and manipulated international and regional relations to favor itself.
But history will come to its logical conclusion on Israel. It is only a matter of time.......
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^ that's the whole point - they (Israel) don't have to provide anyone any reason. They are there, they have the land and the means to sustain it. Ultimately over several centuries who knows what will happen? Each civilization has ascended and the yielded.
Yes it's always a matter of time. There is no such thing as a 'logical conclusion on Israel' that you can foresee for now. They have all the cards.
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Yes it's always a matter of time. There is no such thing as a 'logical conclusion on Israel' that you can foresee for now. They have all the cards.
Yes there is a need for logical conclusion. Being a tiny nation surrounded by enemeies, they will long as last as America lasts.
And yes they do need to justify there existance. To create Israel they marginalize, humuliate and subjugate an entire people. Palestinians are refugees forever due to Israel existance. So again I ask you, on what grounds does this alien agressor state exist? If its because of the halocaust, why was'nt there state created in Bavaria? Did'nt the Germans do the halocaust?
A state that was created without basis cannot survive, the lie that its foundation will be its undoing.
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Malik - you accept the reality that Palestinians and the muslim world cannoy do do much about Israel, other make firy statements which simply yield higher moral ground to Israel, thus making Israel stronger.
That is about all the logical conclusion you can draw based on facts. If you want to go past facts into conjecture there are a lot of scenarios.
With all the oil money at their disposal, the muslim countries have not been able to do anything to Israel. What do you think they can do when the oil runs out?
As to justification - don't the earliest history actually favor the jewish rights to the land more than anyone elses?
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Best democracy is usa where ppl can elect one person from only a choice of 2.