That is about all the logical conclusion you can draw based on facts. If you want to go past facts into conjecture there are a lot of scenarios.
With all the oil money at their disposal, the muslim countries have not been able to do anything to Israel. What do you think they can do when the oil runs out?
As to justification - don't the earliest history actually favor the jewish rights to the land more than anyone elses?
Are you kidding me? Your argumenet about history is beyond ludicrous. So they lived in this land 3 thousand years ago giving them right of return, and right over the existing inhabitants. The logical extension of that logical arguement is that the American Indians who lived on Manhattan Island have a right of return to reclaim there land as well. Perhaps the Haida Indians that lived in Vancouver 500 years ago (forget 3000) have a right to reclaim there land as well... absolutely ridiculous.
For oil wealth or no oil wealth, our (muslim) failure to ensure justice for the Palestinian people is directly due to American support for Israel. A nation the size of the Greater Toronto area requires not much for complete destruction. History proves without a shadow of a doubt that military superiority is temporary, when that ends justice for Palestinians is assured.
These are my views and I am far, far from a muslim fundamentalist, if anything I am a fairly secular left winger, think of all those wronged souls in line ahead of me who have reason to call for the end of ISrael.
so just carry this very logic through. The Israelis are current occupants of Israel and your logic simply establishes them as the rightfull owners doesn't it?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
That arguement is one of the most painfully stupid I've ever read. In the future if you have no logical answer, dont bother trying. Spare me.
You are comparing 3000 years Israeli absence and 3000 years of Palestinian habitation of Palestine (what you may call Israel) with 40-50 years of Israeli presence in the area in modern times. During this 40-50 years they live side to side with millions of Palestinians they subjugate and humiliate- the Palestinians have never left, no matter how hard the Jews make life for them. Thats all without mentioning Isreals own population of Israeli Arabs ~20%. For that matter if demographics take there natural path, Jews will be a minority in the area within 50 years anyhow.
So once agan, give me a logical answer to why Israel exists..... Dont give something that is disgracefully stupid like you stated above.
Truth is there is no answer, unless you are a fundamentalist Christian\Jew, who believes that it is gods desire.
in my opinion god is not racist and would never appoint a land to a certain people and allow them to enslave its inhabitants,,, but then again, I dont believe in a religion that has a specific "chosen people"
If someone was to go to curmudgeons house and say my ancestors used to live here 3000 yrs ago, would curmudgeon vacate his house for such ppl?....i dont think so. That is not democracy.
Some of the hindus on this forum are behaving very immaturely.
there were no muslims before 1400 years ago. so who do you think occupied those lands before then? the ancestors of the present day palestinians. and they were all jews.
You thick skulled RSS man, learn history before you post your inane anti Muslim garbage on here
Jews were exiled from modern day Palestine (what you would call Israel) long before Islam, almost 3000 years ago. Palestinians (Muslim, Christian or pagan or whatever they were before Islam) have always lived in the area.
Moderators, please regulate the quality of posts in the forum, I don’t like reading uninformed garbage like this.
BTW, like I said before, by your logic, Delhi is mine, I will come back home some day and enslave all you people since my people were exiled from Delhi. (isn’t it fair)
You still haven’t given me a logical and moral reason that explains Israel’s right to existence.
Actually no your point was that even if you have an election that does not equal a democracy, though the US had the same issue. The US after the war for indepenence had no institutions, no educated class, no economy to speak off etc.
Secondly you assume based on personal basis that the leaders of Hamas will not endeavour to do what the US has done. Your statements are not based on facts, rather based on conjecture.
"Saeed Seyam did not come to the government to revive any security co-operation or to protect the occupation and their settlers. I came to protect our people and their fighters, to protect their trees, their properties and their capabilities"
Saeed Seyam, Hamas's chosen interior minister
I would love to hear something like that from Mush and the rest of the army.