Agencies, Army and TUQ are supporting Musharraf

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mahool June 23, 2014, 3:58pm 1

****ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court has suspended Sindh High Court’s (SHC) decision to remove former president Pervez Musharraf’s name from the exit control list (ECL),Express News reported on Monday.

Musharraf ECL case: SC suspends SHC’s decision – The Express Tribune

All three are working on common task.

TUQ(PAT) and PMLQ are political parties of Pakistan Army and agencies.

Nawaz Gov’t have not learnt from past. PPP was quite right and intelligently tackle the Perveez Musharraf issue.

I think, PMLN should not take panga with Army… or they will need to pay cost (PAT, and PMLQ).

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mahool June 23, 2014, 4:56pm 2

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Let us put events in order and reasons behind them to conclude that Imran Khan is not becoming a puppet for Agencies.

Rift between Army and Nawaz govt started on Musharraf issue. Ch. Nisar broke a deal that let Musharaf be convicted through court and then govt will allow him to go abroad.

Army planned Musharraf appearence in court and conviction came in court. Some irresponsible statement came from Khwaja borthers. In one talk show Khwaja Asif said “Hun saday paair pharda hay keah sanu baahar jaan day”…"Minta karda sadi " …means now Musharraf is begging me to leave country.

Army according to deal was expecting Musharaf allowance to go abroad, Musharaf lawyer applied but Government rejected. Rejection came after PML N had internal meeting and two groups with different opinions came within PML N. Nawaz Sharif listened to Pervaiz Rashid, Khwaja brothers and ignore Ch. Nisar and refused to let Musharaf go.

Army clearly showed anger, Agencies always have linked with media channels. They were used to on Air old hated speeches of Khwaja Asif and talk shows were planned on media to put pressure on government.

Govt planned to retaliate. Pro Govt channel Geo owner Mir Shakil was used to make a plan. Hamid Mir attacked was fabricated and it was planned to put all pressure on Army, ISI to put them under pressure and get public sympathy. It didnt work as it was never going to work. Apart from public sympathy going in AMrmy favour, there was historical acrimony between media channels against Geo. Agencies used that perfectly and game turned around. PML N was further put under pressure as script was read by Army and Raheel Sharief gave some straight comments and visited ISI offices.

**6. Agencies know how to put political parties undere pressure if someone is playing with them. TUQ like leaders are always ready to be used. PTI was approached and his 11th May Islamabad event was a great success. But there is a problem with IK. He cannot be controlled and given orders to obey. He will disagree to things which he doesnt believe. So he agreed to give tough opposition, raise rigging issues, and do his politics but to topple government he is not ready to be part of Marshal Law. so TUQ is required.
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7. Sharif brothers know all this game and thats why more afraid of Qadri than IK. In arrogance they did Model Town raid to put TUQ under pressure. Murphy’s Law application was at its best. People died, and their counter plan of putting blame on Qadri by making fake weapons and forensic report was leaked by media.

PML N tried to make things better with Army, allowed operation in Waziristan. But main issue is still there. Ch Nisar is on back foot as he broke deal and PML N backed off.

**PML N has shown incompetency to handle issues. Zardari was clever enough to survive on many issues with Army, Judiciary, media and finally TUQ also. Biggest Irony for PML N is that now only **

IMRAN KHAN CAN SAVE PMLN GOVERNMENT

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TUQ arrival means that Imran Khan is not working on Agencies. Now only Imran Khan can save PML N Government.

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mahool June 23, 2014, 5:02pm 3

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According to media reports, Sind High Court (SHC) has instructed the government to remove the name of former dictator General (R) Pervez Musharraf from the exit control list (ECL).So, all the mess Musharraf gang created is finally paying off. Pakistan is still in ruins from his policies and will plunge into more chaos but then who cares?
Finally, ‪‎PMLN‬ surrendered as expected and didn’t prosecute the cases seriously with full intent. This is NRO2 and nothing else which was expected from political parties like ‪PPP‬ and PMLN who made deals with Occupied Armed Forces and their foreign masters to come into power.
The disappointment is more from ‪PTI‬ and ‪‎Imran Khan‬ who danced to the tune of establishment and helped them create a distraction in the form of ‪‎Geo‬.
Now, forget any kind of justice for missing persons too and they will be left for facing baton charges on the streets. No one will blame army as it is a grave sin and blasphemy to criticize an army which is at war (self-imported).
Some interesting things to note from recent events:
Military establishment especially Musharraf gang is doing everything they can to create the right kind of chaos to make grounds for his safe exit. I have been saying that they will burn the whole country, even if they have to, to protect dictator and his team, to continue his war policies and to get away from cases like missing persons case.
So far they are able to get the desired outcome from most of the things :
a) By doing Hamid Mir episode they were able to get the angry response from Geo which resulted in its shut down.
b) They used the distraction from Geo issue to do aerial strikes which triggered revenge attacks in Karachi and other places so now dialogues option is pretty much gone. It means TTP reacted as the establishment expected them to do so.
c) They were even able to marginalize anti-war parties by distracting them using issues like geo and that stupid issue of Shaista Lodhi show. Even PTI and Imran Khan fell for that.
d) Nawaz Sharif has no chance of stopping the establishment as he has also made deals with them to grab power. rigging in 2013 Elections of Pakistan was not possible without establishment support.
The only player which dodged the bullet is MQM and despite serious hatred for their politics and tactics, I must say they played well for their own sake.
There was a serious plan to replace Altaf Hussain and install a new leader like Ishrat ul Ibad or bring back Mustafa Kamal or even musharraf as Altaf was not allowing even Musharraf to share political base of Karachi which establishment needs for Musharraf.
They tried to use the recent Altaf Hussain arrest situation but the show of ground mafia power by MQM made them to change their minds as they want to replace Altaf but not at the cost of losing ground support of MQM for this war and other policies.
MQM is still with Musharraf but not at the cost of Altaf and its Musharraf who will be looking at MQM for support not the other way around as attempted by the establishment.
I hate bhair bakri (sheeple) attitude of many Muhajirs in Karachi when it comes to following Altaf or surrendering their freedom in front of him by force but it seems these are the only things which helped MQM survived the hijacking attempt by establishment and now establishment still needs MQM for this war, Musharraf and other issues.
SHC orders removal of Musharraf’s name from ECL: Musharraf Gang and recent events | United4justice’s Weblog

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Pakistani_Prince June 23, 2014, 5:03pm 4

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Qadri + PML(Q) + MQM =zero + zero + zero.

JeevayPakistan June 23, 2014, 5:14pm 5

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PPP + PML(N) + MQM + TI + Others = (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1)

Pakistani_Prince June 23, 2014, 5:19pm 6

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^Atleast they have number 1 in their bag, although in minus sense, better than zero,

psyah June 23, 2014, 5:25pm 7

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Just vote PTI in already

Sachaydino June 23, 2014, 5:43pm 8

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Bottom line of your posts are mentioned above. Yet another moderator now supporting Phattoo, a tout.

What you are saying that army is still calling the shots, the civilian government elected by people with heavy mandate are arse holes. This kind of faulty thinking has passed on generation by generation by Punjabis since partition and Pakistan has faced disaster after disaster. According to constituiton army works under civilian government. PML(N) should follow that and give rat's arse about what army wants in political and judicial affairs of the country. If army takes over through back door, NS and PML(N) will emerge as more stronger, will be supported by PPP and all mainstream political parties. Enough is enough.

mahool June 23, 2014, 5:48pm 9

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Bottom line of your posts are mentioned above. Yet another moderator now supporting Phattoo, a tout.

What you are saying that army is still calling the shots, the civilian government elected by people with heavy mandate are arse holes. This kind of faulty thinking has passed on generation by generation by Punjabis since partition and Pakistan has faced disaster after disaster. According to constituiton army works under civilian government. PML(N) should follow that and give rat’s arse about what army wants in political and judicial affairs of the country. If army takes over through back door, NS and PML(N) will emerge as more stronger, will be supported by PPP and all mainstream political parties. Enough is enough. Pakistan army can change the country’s name as Punjabistan releasing Sindh and Baluchistan from their bondage.

Samjh bhoj apni apni… maderator ka comments say motafiq hona zarori nahi hia… post 2 and 3 took from other boards and blogs.. My point on this thread is not related to my affiliation with any political party including PTI…

Sachaydino June 23, 2014, 6:05pm 10

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How Imran Khan can help NS or PML(N)? I don’t get it. I think NS or PML(N) are not going any serious crisis, if they need any one’s help at this time.

mahool June 23, 2014, 6:10pm 11

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IK is not giving hard time to NS.

PMLQ, and PAT are currently on mission.

Agencies and Army can not involve in politics directly. They are using their political parties (PMLQ, PAT)... PTI gave hard time when geo controversy started(ISI and Hamid Mir issue)... They got few seats in Lahore... They(PTI) had played their limited role. So they are actually supporting PMLN...

Jolie June 23, 2014, 6:31pm 12

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While the media and all political parties are going bonkers over TuQ and playing petty politics left, right and centre, PTI is the only party committed to taking care of the IDPs. This is exactly what they should solely focus. Imran must not get distracted and come to the rescue for a spineless, incompetent, discriminatory and invisible Prime Minister. It's not his job. In fact, I'd say say just wait and watch as PMLN is about to be grilled and exposed big time over their criminal negligence and discriminatory behaviour towards the IDPs.

TuQ wants a complete overthrow of the government whereas PTI 's only request is to have a proper judicial inquiry into just four rigged constituencies, so they really don't have to apologise for anything. If Government feels so shaken and attacked by their legit demand, then the fault and fear lies in government. There's nothing unconstitutional in PTI demands. However, PTI has abandoned all its pre-planned protests for time being to show support the army and look after the IDPs and manage the security of the province. Like I said in other thread, wars can either make or break leaders, and I pray and hope that PTI continues to do whatever it is currently doing, and inshAllah the entire country will bear witness to their hard work and commitment.

Sachaydino June 23, 2014, 8:19pm 13

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Niether is TUQ. NS's government is safe for the time being. Toppling the government with the help of joker foreigner is not that easy. When first NS's government was toppled by Mush, PPP supported it. Not any more. As long PPP is with PML(N) in this artificially created turmoil, nothing is going to happen. PML(N) will complete its tenure.

mahool June 23, 2014, 8:26pm 14

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Nawaz Sharif is bewaqoof.... I agree his gov't will not fall, but TUQ can give hard time. He is working on agencies payroll.

Sheeda_Pistol_1 June 23, 2014, 8:43pm 15

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I fail to understand the logic of how Immy can save Naan league

Captain1 June 23, 2014, 9:50pm 16

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Sachaydino:

Bottom line of your posts are mentioned above. Yet another moderator now supporting Phattoo, a tout.

What you are saying that army is still calling the shots, the civilian government elected by people with heavy mandate are arse holes. **This kind of faulty thinking has passed on generation by generation by Punjabis since partition **and Pakistan has faced disaster after disaster. According to constituiton army works under civilian government. PML(N) should follow that and give rat's arse about what army wants in political and judicial affairs of the country. If army takes over through back door, NS and PML(N) will emerge as more stronger, will be supported by PPP and all mainstream political parties. Enough is enough. Pakistan army can change the country's name as Punjabistan releasing Sindh and Baluchistan from their bondage.

but "Punjabi" government has been dismissed 2 times already (atleast in 90s), and even this time its "Punjabis" in the government, so why do you think this "thought promotion" will rise now?

Sachaydino June 24, 2014, 2:02am 17

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According to OP, it is agencies who is organizing all this unrest. If it is true, then my statement is also true. Because this time PPP will not side with them. Many in other threads have accepted the fact that Zardari has refused to become a part of nonsense of TUQ and his Puke Awami Tehrik.

Monk June 24, 2014, 2:05am 18

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seriously...

Howzat_1 June 24, 2014, 4:57am 19

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Sorry for me ignorance, please write the complete name of TI or is it youth wing of PAT :)

Howzat_1 June 24, 2014, 5:02am 20

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Kash Aqal Bazar main dastayyab hoti to Zardari Sb. thori say inn ko bhi lay daitay :hinna: