You are comparing a guy who has palyed 176 matches and averages a maasive 23.7 runs to players who have only played 57 and 17 matches. Huge difference. He should have matured by now but what have we got, 171 innings and 3 hundreds and 22 fifties. I am not sure but I wont be surprised if majoritiy of these 100's and 50's were against weaker oppositions.
The guy just hasn't got it.
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You are comparing a guy who has palyed 176 matches and averages a maasive 23.7 runs to players who have only played 57 and 17 matches. Huge difference. He should have matured by now but what have we got, 171 innings and 3 hundreds and 22 fifties. I am not sure but I wont be surprised if majoritiy of these 100's and 50's were against weaker oppositions.
The guy just hasn't got it.
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Ehsan Bhai...his 3 centuries were against Sri Lanka, India and New Zealand...which all have good bowling attacks. He didn't score these centuries against weak opponents like Bangaldesh, Zimbabve, Kenya, etc. This goes to show he has the ability to play quallity bowling attacks, but just needs good coaching...and that's exactly why he did well under Javed Miandad.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he should be included in the team...the only way he should be back into the team is if he shows that he has learned and is willing to learn. PCB should watch his performence's wherever he is playing these days, because if this guy actually plays with his head...he can be a very dangerous and exciting all-rounder.
I kindly request, as the mod, and most senior member of KK, don't show such hatred towards one single player ;) :p
Yasir bhai, I didn't expect you to make a statement like you have about my hatred towards afridi. I don't hate him. I purely think he is not good enough to play for Pakistan, in fact I don't consider him to be even a proper batsmen. That is my view and if he proves me wrong I will be delighted. My first and foremost consideration is what is best for our team and not individual players. If Afridi can be consistent and produce the goods for Pakistan than fine, otherwise he will be out of favour like he is now and he brought this upon himself by playing silly shots.
Please don't accuse me of hatred towards Afridi.
Iqsoft, nowhere I said Klusner is not an allrounder. Read again, I said Klusner is not in the South African team anymore. So its useless to discuss him let’s talk about people who are playing currently.
Pullock is a good bowler but he is not a world class allrounder. Yes, Kallis is a world class allrounder and just because there is not a whole lot of people capable of achieving that doesn’t mean you can lower the standards to suit your needs. If every batsman had an average of 20 and one had an average of 35, that doesn’t mean you can say well the one with an average of 35 is an exception and everyone with an average of 20 is a good batsman.
There is a shortage of quality allrounders in the world right now. Imran Khan, Ian Botham, Kapil Dev these were allrounders. Yes, Pullock can be considered an allrounder but certainly not a world class allrounder. hell Shoaib Akhtar can swing his bat for a few lusty blows but that doesn’t mean he can be trusted.
An allrounder should be able to keep the hope alive for the team if things are down. Now if Kallis is on the crease with tailenders only South Africa can still hope for a good total. But if Pullock is there with only tailenders he can try and hit out but he won’t be able to rotate strike and keep it going for another 20 overs. To some extent Razzaq and Shoaib Malik have shown signs of brilliance for Pakistan. Razzaq is very much capable of turning the match around with that bat and ball but he has been under performing lately. Shoaib Malik on the other hand is a very handy batsman who has shown that he is capable of not just hitting but he can also play patiently. As a bowler he is not that aggressive just as yet, but he has sure shown signs of improvement. I am hoping he is another Saqlain is making, a Saqlain who can bat too.
I don’t know about Lee and Warne being an allrounder though. If that’s the standard for an allrounder then yes, Afridi is a world class, hell I guess that makes everyone an allrounder. Inzi bowled a few overs too lets call him an allrounder.
my goodness, LM, you have brought tears to my eyes with such a beautiful and perfect analysis…shaabaash 
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Yasir bhai, I didn't expect you to make a statement like you have about my hatred towards afridi. I don't hate him. I purely think he is not good enough to play for Pakistan, in fact I don't consider him to be even a proper batsmen. That is my view and if he proves me wrong I will be delighted. My first and foremost consideration is what is best for our team and not individual players. If Afridi can be consistent and produce the goods for Pakistan than fine, otherwise he will be out of favour like he is now and he brought this upon himself by playing silly shots.
Please don't accuse me of hatred towards Afridi.
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Aray Ehsan Bhai...aapne to baat dil pe le lee. I jus kidding and that's I put the smilies ;) :p at the end of where I said u hate afridi. But anyway...im sorry but I didn't mean to say what you interperted.
My pleasure. I am glad you liked it. 
oh bhai iqsoft....its been two pages, chor do dhitai, bakhsh do hamein....
Afridi...is happy in Hong Kong, u dont need to worry abt him.
As far as you theory of allrounders is concerned...there are plenty of them in the Pakistan team...and much more talented than Afridi.
No use giving me information that I already know. The point here is whom have you replaced Afridi with? There ain't no Kallis or Klusener or Pollock or Botham or Imran or Kapil coming to replace him??? What I am saying is that his all round abilities make him a much better choice than Hafeez or Taufeeq or Salman Butt or Naveed Latif or whoever Pakistan have tried so far. Instead of experimenting so much, why don't they just stick to him and fix his mistakes.
And as for Shaun Pollock and him not being a world class all rounder, I quote the following from Wisden:
Shaun Pollock - Wisden Cricketer of the Year
Neil Manthorp - 30 April 2003
Shaun Pollock has not had an outstanding year. He has had seven. Sport's holy grail is consistency, and Pollock found it as soon as he entered international cricket. Whatever happens in his thirties, he will go down as one of the game's great allrounders. His bowling is as straight, tight and incisive as Glenn McGrath's, and he is also an elegant, sometimes explosive batsman who averages 35 at No. 7. And all this consistency was sustained through the daunting business of succeeding Hansie Cronje as South Africa's captain...............
And one last thing, the topic of this thread was Afridi / Azhar
What about Azhar?? Ain't he good enough to be in the team?? Or is he too not a good enough player like Hafeez or Hameed or Nazir or Taufeeq or whatever?????
OK so according to your genius a guy with almost 200 ODI's under his belt should be given a chance to come back and fix his mistakes but people like Salman Butt who havent gotten a chance yet should be ingnored. Hafeez and Taufeeq combined togather have not played hald as many matches as Afridi. So why should he get a chance and not them. Why dont we talk after these guys have played 180 odd matches.
As far as giving you information you already knew, well then you should have said so earlier, you were hell bent on calling Lee and Warne an allrounder.
As far as who should replace Afridi. Well I guess you havent really been follwong cricket closely, there is no replacement needed for someone who is not even there. I guess Salman Butt can be given a chance and Taufeeq despite his flaws is still better then Afridi. Plus Taufeeq can also keep wickets if the need arise. I think after Rashid we should give Taufeeq a shot as a wicket keeper batsman.
Yes, I still think PCB should stick with Afridi. Apart from his batting, bowling and fielding, he has a fear factor, which is created in the opposition when he is batting. I remember Stephen Fleming saying that "When Afiridi is at the crease, I am not certain where to place the field, and quite often I forget that I am not allowed to have more than 2 fielders outside the circle, it is the bowler that usually says to me Skip, we can't have em at square leg, its only the 4th over"
Secondly, yes Lee and Warne are all rounders. They are reasonably handy with the bat and besides, they both are excellent fielders. Warne in the slips and Lee in the deep.
We both will see how well Taufeeq and Salman Butt perform.
Any comments about Azhar????
Afridi...Who???
hey, Waqar Younis was all rounder, and he is still kicking, why not include him? Attaur Rehman was an all rounder, Mushtaq Ahmed is an all rounder and so is Saqlain Mushtaq.
As for iqsoft, look at the figures of Imran Nazir in your own post and compare it with Afridi, Imran is a winner :p
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Wherever have Afridi and Azhar Mahmood dissapeared to. Should they be in the team. Suggestions / Comments????
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yes
Thankyou Dj_Aqua
At least someone agrees with me :(
Finallu...u achieve ur mission...
if we had known....we would have asked one of the girls to come in and do this job a lot earlier....
rab rakha
After the World Cup, I was totall disgusted with Afridi and thought he should be booted fromteh team forever. But lately I think we may just be able to use his big hitting again. The guy is still young and could, with some batting tips from Miandad, be a decent player again.
As for Azhar, I don't think he has dissapeared , last I checked he was playing counties and playing quite well.
Pakistan team needs to focus on cricket that lies ahead
**There is no serious quarrel with the squad that has been chosen for the ODI’s though a case could have been made for Azhar Mahmood and Shahid Afridi. The job of the selection committee can be said to have been done. **
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