Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel

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Until muslims get of this illusion that somehow islam transcends national bounds current misery will only continue. This thread is a prime example.

How stupid is it that after all these decades some morons still refuse to accept the existence of israel.

How idiotic is it that even now in spite of having turned a large percent of their own children into mobile explosives that they still dare call themselves anything less than the lowly satan

If you have any sense get rid of anyone who talks religion and establish diplomatic relations with israel. Otherwise everyother country will be in mainstream and pakistan will continue to be the radical outhouse

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wow, pretending there is no problem in the middle east

now thats moronic

two questions for you tariq

do you think the nation of palestine should exist?
do you agree with the israelli occupation?

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I am not going to pass my judgement.
But your views are sectarian in nature, and you don't seem to care about Islamic holy sites, just because they are holy to Muslims in general and not specific to one sect.

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vroom - if you're confused and think I'm saying there are no problems in m.e, I'll clarify. Yes there are lots and lots of problems there. except pakistan is in no position to conceptualize or execute on any solution. all this talk about muslim empathy for muslim is just so much empty talk.

Yes - palestine and israel both have a right to exist.

Breaking news: both exist.

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Israelis are foreigners. Israel exists on stolen/occupied Palestinian land. And Baitul Maqdas is one such occupied Islamic city.

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^^ Thats your view. My view, Arabs lost the land in the incessent wars they fought with Israel.

Its like India launching wars against Pakistan and Pakistan wins all of them and Pakistan expands territorially into India and the hindus flee.

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Bull-****

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The opposite would be a more practical example :). No need to get excited now and start on Indo-Pak and Kashmir issues. You still have some of our territory. My barber used to own a mansion in Lahore :cb:.

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^^ well whatever analogy works for you

my argument is that the reason there are palestinian refugees and palestinian land is under occupation is due to arabs launching wars and losing them against Israel

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your either just being patronising or just plain ignorant. which is it?

problems in middle east! what problems? settlements, walls around every village, hunger, embargoes

you mention pakistan and muslim empathy. pal sympathy goes beyond religious boundaries, many non muslim westerners have died trying to help palestinians.

you mention a two state solution (which would be very encouraging coming from others) but for some reason i get the impression you would deny the palestinians a fair deal.

thanks for the news flash

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in your case, I am just patronizing. I have told you plainly that both countries deserve to and do exist. so why do you 'get the impression' that I'm saying anything else?

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The above arguments does not give the right for Israel to occupy the land which does not belong to them. It also does not make them any less of a foreigner.

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Its like India launching wars against Pakistan and Pakistan wins all of them and Pakistan expands territorially into India and the hindus flee.
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That will still be illegal.

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So you will accept Indian occupation of Pakistan if it wins the territory in war?

Are you more of a Zionist than a Pakistani?

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Why does Israel DESERVE to exist?

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Israel was created on areas which had a Jewish majority. The Jews who settled from Europe moved into only Jewish areas and did not push into Arab areas. I

Thats why before 1948, there were no Palestinian Refugees because the Jews did not push into Palestinian Areas.

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Hasn't it already?

Its occupying Kashmir and Siachin Glacier and it took away East Pakistan

I am a realist not someone who lives in a fantasy

Keep attacking and keep losing wars and this will be the end result.

Infact after the June 1967 War, Israel offered all territories back to the Arabs in September but the Arabs refused and pledged to continue to wage war and destroy Israel

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And Pakistan does not accept it.

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Infact after the June 1967 War, Israel offered all territories back to the Arabs in September but the Arabs refused and pledged to continue to wage war and destroy Israel
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When did this happen? Israel has to give up Occupied Territory without any condition.

Israel was bounded by UN to give up Occupation, but it did not. Here is one UN resolution:

On March 22, 1979, the Security Council adopted Resolution No. 446. Israel’s violation of Resolution 446 (sections quoted below) represents the most flagrant violation of Israel, not only of the UN but also the stated policy of our government under successive administrations:

(The Council) Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive and lasting peace in the Middle East; Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind it’s previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories.

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Israel was created on areas which had a Jewish majority. The Jews who settled from Europe moved into only Jewish areas and did not push into Arab areas.
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Like I said, Israel has no right to exist in the first place. The Zionists started moving in Palestine since 1800's. They never belonged to Islamic holy land.

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And what the hell can it do about it?

This happened in September 1967, 3 months after the 6 day war when Israel offered to give up all territories conquered in the 6 day war for peace. Arabs rejected it.

Israel did offer to give up the territories but Arabs were bent on war and refused the offer.

Israel gave up the Sinai for peace with Egypt and was willing to give up the Golan in 1995 for peace with Syria but then Hamas struck.

Like I said, Israel has every right to exist. The Zionist moved into areas which already had Jewish majorities such as Tel Aviv after the Jews were kicked out of their homes by Arabs who moved into Jerusalem after the Ottomans revitalized the economy of that area in 1890-1900.

You sound as bigoted as a Sunni Extremist is towards a Shia

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Like I said, you are more Zionist than Pakistani.

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This happened in September 1967, 3 months after the 6 day war when Israel offered to give up all territories conquered in the 6 day war for peace. Arabs rejected it.

Israel did offer to give up the territories but Arabs were bent on war and refused the offer.

Israel gave up the Sinai for peace with Egypt and was willing to give up the Golan in 1995 for peace with Syria but then Hamas struck.
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Israel IS supposed to give up all the land it occupied, unconditionally.

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Like I said, Israel has every right to exist. The Zionist moved into areas which already had Jewish majorities such as Tel Aviv after the Jews were kicked out of their homes by Arabs who moved into Jerusalem after the Ottomans revitalized the economy of that area in 1890-1900.
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There were no Zionists before 1800's. They came only after Aaliyahs started by Zionist leaders.

When the Palestine problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 92% of the population of Palestine were Arabs and there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine, mostly coming through Aaliyahs.

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You sound as bigoted as a Sunni Extremist is towards a Shia
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Can't argue without being personal?

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Like I said, your personal opinion about me is irrelevant

And what will it get in return? If the Arabs make peace with Israel then Israel should give up the occupied Land.

But there were Jews living in Palestine. When the Zionists came they settled in areas where there were already Jews living there like Tel Aviv. Thats why Tel Aviv's population grew from 50,000 in 1909 to 500,000 by 1948.

That figure is wrong as it also counts the Arabs living in Jordan. Just in Palestine, the ratio was around 80/20