Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
^ why do muslims have to do anything? Israel is there and not going anywhere. The palestinians have clearly demonstrated they are incapable of running a country. you can either recognize them and benefit with trade etc. or be on the sidelines watching everyother country including all so called muslin and arab countries benefit and be pushed into further middle ages
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So what do you suggest Muslims should do about Israel and its occupation?
Oh I don't know, use economic relations perhaps to bring back the '67 borders, like al-Jazeera has been doing in its use of an Israeli satellite provider?
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
^ why do muslims have to do anything? Israel is there and not going anywhere. The palestinians have clearly demonstrated they are incapable of running a country. you can either recognize them and benefit with trade etc. or be on the sidelines watching everyother country including all so called muslin and arab countries benefit and be pushed into further middle ages
Why should an Iraqi Shi'a support Palestine when Palestinians time and again have expressed their support for Shi'a killers such as Zarqawi and Saddam?
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He’s right. Jewish migration began that far back, and it wasn’t all “hey, let’s join our brothers the Arabs”.
The early Zionists were as racist as any other European when it came to Asian people (never mind only Arabs).
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Anyhoo...Pakistan recognizes Israel. Then what? Will Israeli right-wingers stop treating Islam (not Islamism, nor Islamic miltancy) as an evil ideology? No.
Will Pakistan ever be a trusted nation in the eys of Israel? No.
Will Pakistan see any benifit, in terms of tech transfer, or any other nice goodies like that? Nope. India is the bigger market.
Stay out of the area, period. Useless.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
^^ ya but we can economic leverage against Israel.
We can bring both sides together, bring in fresh perspective, show the Israelis and not every Muslim is after their destruction
That could give rise to left wingers who want to make peace instead of the hawkish right wingers who think every solution should be a military one
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Oh I don't know, use economic relations perhaps to bring back the '67 borders, like al-Jazeera has been doing in its use of an Israeli satellite provider?
I am perplexed. What an idea you have given! Muslim countries using "economic" relations to pressure Israel?!
I am sure that is original!
Actually, "I don't know" in the beginning expresses it all.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
We can bring both sides together, bring in fresh perspective, show the Israelis and not every Muslim is after their destruction
Are you forgetting the idea which goes something like "Pakistan has nothing to do with that conflict"?
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Why should an Iraqi Shi'a support Palestine when Palestinians time and again have expressed their support for Shi'a killers such as Zarqawi and Saddam?
The Iraqi shias support Pal for the same reason that Iranian shias support Pal ... for Quds.
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^ why do muslims have to do anything?
Because it is a religious issue for Muslims.
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The Iraqi shias support Pal for the same reason that Iranian shias support Pal ... for Quds.
Yeah right, go on ShiaChat and see how many Shi'as are becoming more concerned about their Shi'a brethen over the Palestinians.
It doesn't help that the Mahdi Army back in January ordered all Palestinians to "leave or prepare to die", doesn't it?
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But that doesn't explain why those shias should not care about first Qibla?!
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Yeah right, go on ShiaChat and see how many Shi'as are becoming more concerned about their Shi'a brethen over the Palestinians.
It doesn't help that the Mahdi Army back in January ordered all Palestinians to "leave or prepare to die", doesn't it?
just like sunnis on here calling for the recognition of israel, because they dont care about ethics, morals or honour
a reputable and honourable state cannot act like that. if your people believe then you have to represent your peoples views at the table. its a known fact that muslims absolutely abhor the tactics used by israel to get themselves in. absolutely abhor. pakistans diplomatic position doesnt totally reflect this fact, but as a mark of islamic kindness and forgiveness i can overlook this.
the fact is the shia majority state of iran has gone in a straightline to address the middle east issue. no ducking no diving straightline at great cost. do i condemn them? NO
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
And when Sunnis recognized the Taliban's legitimacy and turned a blind eye toward the slaughter of non-Sunnis, do they care about ethics, morals, or honor?
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And when Sunnis recognized the Taliban's legitimacy and turned a blind eye toward the slaughter of non-Sunnis, do they care about ethics, morals, or honor?
no, not entirely
the situation in afghanistan is more complex then you are admiting
a couple of questions for you bullehshah
do you think the nation of palestine should exist?
do you agree with the israelli occupation?
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And when Sunnis recognized the Taliban's legitimacy and turned a blind eye toward the slaughter of non-Sunnis, do they care about ethics, morals, or honor?
Your views are basically sectarian in nature. No care about Islam in general.
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Afghanistan is currently under control of USA.. and USA is best friend with israel...
wat else do u need?
Re: Afghanistan to establish diplomatic relations with Israel
Afghanistan is currently under control of USA.. and USA is best friends with Israel.. wat else do u need?
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do you think the nation of palestine should exist?
do you agree with the israelli occupation?
1) Yes, I am a strong advocate of the two-state solution. I personally wished Israel didn't exist, but it's a reality and there's nothing we can do about it, except again, advocate a two-state solution.
2) No, I do not. But Israel has the right to exist, and you cannot send all Jews back to Europe. Many of them are 2nd/3rd generation citizens, they grew up in the country. It's like sending all whites in North America back to Europe. It makes absolutely no sense.
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Your views are basically sectarian in nature. No care about Islam in general.
My views hardened as a result of visiting Islamic boards such as ClearGuidance, ITS, UmmahForums, IslamicaWeb, and UponSunnah, so can you blame me when fellow Muslims advocate such sectarian thinking?